I am not “redefining” anything. I provided the dictionary definition and challenged your position on that basis.
The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?
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Really? go ahead, show me. I would say you are contradicting God and Paul
SO MANY applicable meanings of the words 'fulfill' please, even with different dictionaries, there are so many meanings..... to apply the correct one you need the proper context, please verify.
The Holy Spirit of Truth wrote the Ten Commandments Exo31:18 they are under the mercy seat or atonement seat of God Exo25:21 in heaven Rev5:5 Rev11:19- God numbered His law by design and said they belong to Him in the unit of Ten Exo20:6 He numbered them Ten, not nine, not one because everything God does has a purpose. The Ten Commandments unedited because God was very clear on this that He would not alter His words Psa89:34 not a jot or tittle Mat5:18-19 because who has more authority than Him why He told us plainly- do not alter Deut4:2 Ecc3:14 Mat5:18-19 Rev 22:18-19. He used the word Remember on the one commandment that identifies He as being our Creator- the one commandment that identifies Him as a sign of His sanctification Eze20:12 because man cannot do this themselves Isa66:17 and sign He is our God Eze20:20 I see why the devil hates God's Sabbath so much but I do not think its wise to speak for God and teach people to forget the ONLY commandment God said to remember, that comes with His blessings and sanctification. We ought to obey Him through faith. We are not God and we will be held accountable for what we teach others, Jesus was clear on this Mat5:19 Mat15:3-14
If ye love me, keep my commandments. (john 14:15)
If thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. (mat 19:17)
did jesus say to heep the commandments he was teaching, all ten of them yes or no?
Jesus promised to fulfill the law not destroy, not sure why so many people think He failed
Isa 42:21 The Lord is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.
He did so plainly in the same passage He promised to fulfill Mat5:17-30 relating our inwards thoughts as what leads to breaking the commandments. He wants us changed from the inside out and be in perfect harmony with His will Psa 40:8 Heb8:10 Psa89:34 Deut4:13 both outwardly and inwardly.
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What's that got to do with your accusation I am ignoring God and Christ? Nothing at all!!!
I thought you believed Jesus was speaking of the TC, do you not believe God writes them in the mind and places them on the heart of believers?
I told you, there is no gradual process of law being written in the mind and placed on the heart. You respond by telling me I am contradicting Christ and God, so I repeat, show me from the bible your accusation is correct
Hi Dino, this is something i wrote some time ago, just found it. you can verify if needed;
The confusion comes from treating the word “fulfill” as if it has only one meaning. It does not.
Even in English dictionaries, fulfill can mean different things depending on context. And Scripture was not written in English. It was written in Greek, and context decides meaning.
In Matthew 5:17, Jesus says:
“Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.” (KJV)
First, look at the contrast Jesus Himself sets up.
He places destroy against fulfill.
If fulfill meant “abolish” or “end,” then Jesus would be saying the same thing twice using opposite words. That would make His statement meaningless. Jesus is making a sharp contrast, not a repetition.
Now look at the Greek word translated “fulfill.”
The word is πληρόω (plēroō).
This word does not mean “cancel,” “abolish,” or “render obsolete.”
It means:
- to fill up
- to bring to full measure
- to complete in the sense of fullness
- to carry out fully
- to bring to its intended meaning
In fact, Matthew uses plēroō repeatedly to say,
“that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet…”
Those prophecies do not stop being true after fulfillment. They become clearer.
Now apply that meaning to the Law.
Jesus fulfilled the Law by:
- obeying it perfectly
- revealing its true intent
- stripping away false human traditions
- showing that it reaches into the heart, not just outward actions
“You have heard… but I say unto you…”
If fulfillment meant “end,” Jesus would stop teaching commandments. Instead, He intensifies them. He moves from murder to anger, adultery to lust, oath-keeping to truthfulness, love of neighbor to love of enemies. That is not abolition. That is fulfillment.
Then Jesus removes all doubt in Matthew 5:19:
“Whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven.”
This verse is critical.
Jesus connects fulfillment with obedience, not replacement. If commandments were ended, this statement would make no sense at all.
Even dictionaries today reflect this. One definition of fulfill is “to satisfy the requirements of.” That does not mean the requirement disappears. It means it has been fully met and properly carried out.
A simple example: love fulfills the command “do not murder.” Love does not erase the command. It fulfills it by going deeper.
So the correct definition must match:
- the Greek word
- the contrast Jesus makes
- the explanation Jesus gives immediately after
- and the rest of His teaching
Jesus fulfilled the Law by bringing it to its full meaning and proper practice, not by ending it.
To say fulfillment equals cancellation is not language, not Greek, not context, and not Jesus.
It is a conclusion forced onto the text from outside, not drawn from the words Christ actually spoke.
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And if you cannot show me you have borne false witness against me, but its OK, I wouldn't expect an apology
Maybe I am misunderstanding you- Jesus who is God spoke Ten Commandments, not nine Deut4:13 Exo34:28 Exo20:1-17 and added Remember on the one comamndment He knew most would try to forget that came with His blessings and sanctification and points to Him as our Creator Exo20:11 the only God we are told to worship Rev14:7.
Jesus taught how to keep the Sabbath, that we should do good and not evil Mark3:5 evil He said was profaning it Neh13:17 Isa56:2 He taught in words, but more importantly in action Luke4:16 John15:10 He is the only example we are to follow 1John2:6. Jesus loves us so much He came down from heaven not just to die for our sins, but show us how to live righteously in Him by following Him.
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OK, youve gone to a different post, my apologies. 'As Ive told you previously John14:15 refers to the commands Jesus is teaching the people in the gospels. Matt19:17 is spoken when the old covenant was in place, the law had not yet been written in the minds and placed on the hearts of believers.
But you are looking at the the wrong way. When the young man asked the question, why did Jesus not respond with John3:16? Because he knew him before he asked the question
The young man thought he had obeyed the TC, turned out he had not obeyed the greatest commandment of all.
It is still true, as under the new covenant all applicable law has been written in the mind and placed on the heart of a believer, it would be pointless to say ''you must obey the TC''
Old covenant, not new
So I have not contradicted Christ or God where the new covenant is concerned have I!
the meaning of fulfill in the proper context, but i posted about it already no 3429
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OK, youve gone to a different post, my apologies. 'As Ive told you previously John14:15 refers to the commands Jesus is teaching the people in the gospels. Matt19:17 is spoken when the old covenant was in place, the law had not yet been written in the minds and placed on the hearts of believers.
But you are looking at the the wrong way. When the young man asked the question, why did Jesus not respond with John3:16? Because he knew him before he asked the question
The young man thought he had obeyed the TC, turned out he had not obeyed the greatest commandment of all.
It is still true, as under the new covenant all applicable law has been written in the mind and placed on the heart of a believer, it would be pointless to say ''you must obey the TC''
Old covenant, not new
So I have not contradicted Christ or God where the new covenant is concerned have I!
Its OK, you do not have to apologise for bearing false witness against me, I wouldn't expect someone to who insists the TC must be obeyed.
You posted a long essay that comes to the conclusion that the definition I provided is correct, but you didn’t admit it.
I was referring to his repeating the commandments,except for the Sabbath day command.
That one he lived by example and because he had said,the Sabbath was made for man. Not many for the Sabbath.
In that,he reiterated Sabbath rest.
And also,not all has yet been fulfilled as relates to Messiah. So,as Jesus also tells us,not one jot nor tittle shall be removed from the law.
Does it surprise you too, to read Christians insisting God's laws no longer apply?
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All faith is uniquely personal for the individual believer.
It's odd that you focus on ink there.
Whereas before it was , it is the words ten commandments , that you claimed don't apply to the New testament and now while closing your remarks,opinion, above with a Bible verse thats written in ink.
I think when someone argues against God's laws being relevant,because they're in ink,yet insists those laws are now written in our heart,that they're missing the point.
God's laws ,the ten commandments,were first written by God in stone.
Metaphorical, also besides that fact. Because that was meant to tell his faithful,they are eternal and irrevocable.
Just like the free grace gift later on , in God's seal and eternal Salvation of the individual believer.