Loss of salvation???

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How is it you can read that scripture and not understand that water baptism did not cover their sins because they needed to believe in the One who came after John and that they were baptized in the name of Jesus when Paul laid His hands on them.

Why on earth do you think they were baptized twice in water? Is Jesus name water to you or is His name His person?

They were baptized in the name of JESUS when Paul laid hands on them????

You do know that's NOT WHAT THAT says right???

When we get baptized in JESUS name we call on HIM when we go under, that is when we call on him!!!

FOR SURE they were baptized IN WATER TWICE, first time by John second time in JESUS name!

John baptism stopped after JESUS accended in Acts 1 and everyone had to be rebaptized in JESUS name.

John didn't die for no one he was preparing the way, JESUS did.
 
We've been over this before. Millennium isn't in the Bible. A thousand year period is employed. The 1000 years isn't literal. 1000 is simply a large number depicting a long period of time. The Bible also says God owns a cattle on a 1000 hills. Does God own exactly 1000 hills, or is the number used to depict a large amount?
First, you say that the word "Millennium" is not in the Bible. Then, that a "thousand year period" This is not a very good argument since a period of 1000 years is what a Millennium is. Next, you presume your own premise offering the gratuitous assertion that 1000 "represents" a long period of time" I say gratuitous because you do not bother basing your opinion on anything in the text. I am of the opinion that we can infer typology only if there is a Biblical precedent for doing so, or if there are language cues that suggest there is another meaning. I have seen how typology can be simply a means of importing a meaning into the text that it did not have.

The early Church historian, Eusebius, saw much agreement between the 1000 years mentioned in Revelation and the comments of another early hearer of what the surviving disciples of Jesus and the elders—those who had personally known the Twelve Apostles—were saying. Papias (c. AD 60 – c. 130.) was a Greek Apostolic Father and the Bishop of Hierapolis who wrote a book Exposition of the Sayings of the Lord (Greek: Λογίων Κυριακῶν Ἐξήγησις) which consisted of the accounts of witnesses to the Resurrection. Papias understood the future MILLENIUM to be a literal period of time.

Another early Christian source was the so-called Epistle of Barnabas (not to be confused with the Gospel of Barnabas) The Epistle of Barnabas was an early writing of Christianity frequently cited by other church fathers such as Justin Martyr in his Dialogue with Trypho (written cir. 155). This work expresses a belief in a literal millennium centered in Jerusalem and predicted by Old Testament prophets. As Justin wrote, “But I and others, who are right-minded Christians on all points, are assured that there will be a resurrection of the dead, and a thousand years in Jerusalem, which will then be built, adorned, and enlarged, as the prophets Ezekiel and Isaiah and others declare.

One very reliable witness was Irenaeus of Lyons who discusses the Millieniam in his multi-volume work Against Heresies (written from 180 to 199 AD). Irenaeus applies the “seventh day” rest to the fulfillment of eschatological promises. He wrote, “These [promises given by Christ] are to take place in the times of the kingdom, that is, upon the seventh day, which has been sanctified, in which God rested from all the works which He created, which is the true Sabbath of the righteous
It was not until much later that individuals began to introduce allegorical interpretations
 
No Sir, I really did.

Living waters is referring to the spirit.

What I heard is you have not being baptized in water in JESUS name so you have not got rid of your sins and JESUS has not filled you with HIS spirit.

You are always quoting the John saying, JESUS will fill you with HIS spirit but HE hasn't!!

You also think that JESUS doing that elimantes the need to be baptized for your sins.

Best of luck.

John's baptism was for repentance and forgiveness of sins. Christ's baptism actually deals with your sin. As Peter reminds us, water can never effectively clean you, only the power of the Spirit with the word of God (Jesus is the word) can be effective when dealing with sin.

1 Peter 3:21
There is also an antitype which now saves us—baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,

Belief in the Resurrection is what saves us now.

Romans 10:9
that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

I wonder what Jesus thinks of those who put John's baptism with water as being more effective than His baptism with the Spirit in His name? I guess you're going to find out eventually.

Best of luck. :)
 
FYI, Holy Ghost is in GOD'S word 90 times.

Holy Spirit 7.

Is it ok with you if I just share HIS word with the words in it?

I don't add my opinion to HIS word, or take other men's opinion over HIS word like yours.

Again maybe you should focus on yourself!!!

Have you received the Holy Ghost since you have believed???

HOW WERE YOU BAPTIZED??? Acts 19 Check it out!!


King James had scholars from different universities commissioned to translate.

Same Greek word...

One school used Holy Spirit.
The other chose Holy Ghost.

Same Greek word!
 
Yep same thing, some people want to make a big thing about it.

But same ""person"" of the trinity???

The Holy Ghost or spirit is a person?
Words can have multiple meanings depending on context. Think persona.
 
John baptism stopped after JESUS accended in Acts 1 and everyone had to be rebaptized in JESUS name.

And just like Peter you forgot that Christ doesn't baptize with water but with the Spirit and so you keep going on your merry way leaning on your own understanding but never truly understanding what is really happening.

What I find truly ironic about all this is that the two most prominent events in scripture symbolizing Christ's salvation, the Exodus and the Flood, those who were saved, never got wet.

Have a nice day. :)
 
John's baptism was for repentance and forgiveness of sins. Christ's baptism actually deals with your sin. As Peter reminds us, water can never effectively clean you, only the power of the Spirit with the word of God (Jesus is the word) can be effective when dealing with sin.

1 Peter 3:21
There is also an antitype which now saves us—baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,

Belief in the Resurrection is what saves us now.

Romans 10:9
that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

I wonder what Jesus thinks of those who put John's baptism with water as being more effective than His baptism with the Spirit in His name? I guess you're going to find out eventually.

Best of luck. :)

You speak as it's true!!

I think we can forget about John and him baptizing since after JESUS accended the second time John baptism ended.

You says, "Christ's baptism actually deals with your sin."

Where does that come from, can you prove it?

"only the power of the Spirit with the word of God (Jesus is the word) can be effective when dealing with sin."

How did you come up with that?

1 Peter 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

Peter is telling us baptism does save us, IT'S NOT washing out dirt but a good consicience toward GOD.

BUT since you haven' been you don't have a good consicence toward GOD.

Romans 10:9 a perfect verse proving OSAS is false, Paul is telling HIS CHURCH TO GET out and preach if they want to stay saved!! Read more of it.

Your the one putting Johns baptism into play, I WONDER what JESUS thinks of those who do not obey HIS WORD?

How, WHAT, "more effective than His baptism with the Spirit in His name?"

How do we get spirit baptized in HIS NAME???

Any chance you can expline?

There is a few things there to do so.
King James had scholars from different universities commissioned to translate.

Same Greek word...

One school used Holy Spirit.
The other chose Holy Ghost.

Same Greek word!

Tomato, tomoto.
 
Hence the emphasis on "baptism in the Name of Jesus"



He would require that you be 'rebaptized' if you were baptized 'in the Name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit"

Yes, he has most likely forgotten the great commission. That would require people being baptized three times then. Talk about getting waterlogged. ;)
 
First, you say that the word "Millennium" is not in the Bible. Then, that a "thousand year period" This is not a very good argument since a period of 1000 years is what a Millennium is. Next, you presume your own premise offering the gratuitous assertion that 1000 "represents" a long period of time" I say gratuitous because you do not bother basing your opinion on anything in the text. I am of the opinion that we can infer typology only if there is a Biblical precedent for doing so, or if there are language cues that suggest there is another meaning. I have seen how typology can be simply a means of importing a meaning into the text that it did not have.

The early Church historian, Eusebius, saw much agreement between the 1000 years mentioned in Revelation and the comments of another early hearer of what the surviving disciples of Jesus and the elders—those who had personally known the Twelve Apostles—were saying. Papias (c. AD 60 – c. 130.) was a Greek Apostolic Father and the Bishop of Hierapolis who wrote a book Exposition of the Sayings of the Lord (Greek: Λογίων Κυριακῶν Ἐξήγησις) which consisted of the accounts of witnesses to the Resurrection. Papias understood the future MILLENIUM to be a literal period of time.

Another early Christian source was the so-called Epistle of Barnabas (not to be confused with the Gospel of Barnabas) The Epistle of Barnabas was an early writing of Christianity frequently cited by other church fathers such as Justin Martyr in his Dialogue with Trypho (written cir. 155). This work expresses a belief in a literal millennium centered in Jerusalem and predicted by Old Testament prophets. As Justin wrote, “But I and others, who are right-minded Christians on all points, are assured that there will be a resurrection of the dead, and a thousand years in Jerusalem, which will then be built, adorned, and enlarged, as the prophets Ezekiel and Isaiah and others declare.

One very reliable witness was Irenaeus of Lyons who discusses the Millieniam in his multi-volume work Against Heresies (written from 180 to 199 AD). Irenaeus applies the “seventh day” rest to the fulfillment of eschatological promises. He wrote, “These [promises given by Christ] are to take place in the times of the kingdom, that is, upon the seventh day, which has been sanctified, in which God rested from all the works which He created, which is the true Sabbath of the righteous
It was not until much later that individuals began to introduce allegorical interpretations
Are you prepared to say that God only owns the cattle on a literal 1000 hills?
 
Yes, he has most likely forgotten the great commission. That would require people being baptized three times then. Talk about getting waterlogged. ;)
Hmm. Suffering with water in the ear would explain a lot. :unsure::LOL:
 
You are always quoting the John saying, JESUS will fill you with HIS spirit but HE hasn't!!

Yes He has, I told you that. You're not listening. Living waters, even you recognise that is the Spirit ergo I have been baptized with the Spirit.
 
How can then be three persons when there is only ONE GOD?

How many GODS do you think there are?

JESUS does revel who HE really is, Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

JESUS was speaking to HIS DISCIPLES THEY KNEW who HE was and obeyed what JESUS told them to do, every recored act of being baptize was in JESUS name.

Key word HIS DISCIPLES.

You reject the doctrine of the Trinity which, is basic Christian doctrine?
 
What I heard is you have not being baptized in water in JESUS name so you have not got rid of your sins and JESUS has not filled you with HIS spirit.

Actually, I was baptized twice in water, never did a thing. The problem was I didn't believe Christ rose from the dead. I wanted to believe He did but I knew in my heart I didn't. I did believe He was sent from God, I did believe He died for our sin, I did believe He was the perfect sinless sacrifice but that is not what saves. There is a lot one can believe about Jesus, all of it true, but it is believing He rose from the dead that saves.

Our God is merciful so when I had finally had enough of trying to "live right" and cried out for salvation knowing only God could save me, He baptized me with His Spirit and I became a new creation. The old sinful me died and the new me in Christ arose and not a drop of water was found, only the Living Water. :)

You claim not to have an opinion but you do and you push it onto whoever is gullible enough to be taken in by your one-eyed slant on scripture.

To be baptized in the name of Jesus is to be baptized into the person of Christ. No amount of H2O can do that, only the Living Water who is the Spirit which, is why Christ baptizes with the Spirit.
 
They were baptized in the name of JESUS when Paul laid hands on them????

You do know that's NOT WHAT THAT says right???

When we get baptized in JESUS name we call on HIM when we go under, that is when we call on him!!!

FOR SURE they were baptized IN WATER TWICE, first time by John second time in JESUS name!

John baptism stopped after JESUS accended in Acts 1 and everyone had to be rebaptized in JESUS name.

John didn't die for no one he was preparing the way, JESUS did.

There is no talk of water there, you simply assume it because you have "water on the brain" every time you see the word baptize.
 
How did you come up with that?

1 Peter 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

Peter is telling us baptism does save us, IT'S NOT washing out dirt but a good consicience toward GOD.

We are washed by what? Not a good conscience but the Resurrection of Christ.

I am beginning to think you are not saved because you seem to reject some of the most basic Christian understanding.

I shall keep you in my prayers sir.

grace and peace.
 
Are you prepared to say that God only owns the cattle on a literal 1000 hills?
I am not saying 1000 years could not be symbolic only that if it is you need to affirm, that with context clues. Besides I provided evidence from very early Christian writings that THEY (the earliest believers) did not consider the Millennium to be a symbolic period of time (of indefinite length) Sometimes the Bible uses hyperbole but when it uses round numbers it is somewhat unlikely.

Besides this allegorical method of interpretation did not become a popular way of interpreting the scripture until in the Second Century. Is your point that a number in scripture has no reference to a specific quantity but must ALWAYS understood as SYMBOLIC of something else? Where is that premise ever stated in scripture?
 
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I am not saying 1000 years could not be symbolic only that if it is you need to affirm, that with context clues. Besides I provided evidence from very early Christian writings that THEY (the earliest believers) did not consider the Millennium to be a symbolic period of time (of indefinite length) Sometimes the Bible uses hyperbole but when it uses round numbers it is somewhat unlikely.

Besides this allegorical method of interpretation did not become a popular way of interpreting the scripture until in the Second Century. Is your point that a number in scripture has no reference to a specific quantity but must ALWAYS understood as SYMBOLIC of something else? Where is that premise ever stated in scripture?
So it could be symbolic but likely literal in one case when we know from a second use it can only be symbolic or God only owns the cattle on exactly 1000 hills?

That there are those who see things from both sides of particular arguments doesn't create proof. It simply means these things have been argued for millennia.
 
Yes, it is asserted that narcissism is on the increase in general western society, I think the increase is also reflected on discussion boards.
Narcissism and erroneous doctrine, regarding how one is delivered and spiritually saved, is a very, very bad combination.
Erroneous soteriology is often the epicenter of a cult.

When you show them point blank from the scriptures how wrong they are, and they still deny what's right there in front of them, that's a phenomenon not at all normal.

MM
 
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