Do All Religions Lead To God?

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bytheblood said:
You're confused. Jesus' last name isn't Christ, He is Jesus the Christ. The Christ (Word) came from heaven so He was in heaven first, came to earth, put on flesh, was given the name Jesus and became the firstborn among many brethren, who at first were the Jewish people. Now that firstborn ( Strong's 4413; protos) means foremost in importance and rank, not that He was the first Jewish person born overall. He created everything so how could He not be first in all things? Prove to me, IN SCRIPTURE, when and where Elijah and Enoch died, where does it read, IN SCRTIPTURE, that they died. I have shown you, IN SCRIPTURE, that they did not die. You can't, I know it and so do you. What's the next rabbit hole or diversion now? One of the signs of a mature Christian, man, parent, friend or mate is the ability to admit when you missed it, you were wrong. If one can't admit it when it's obvious, they're caught up in pride, which God hates.
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what you have shown is the same confusion extant among the 40,000 flavors of confusion

It would be interesting to see how many of the 40,000 would agree with you,
there is little agreement within the 40,000 - which the fact there is 40,000 -- prove.

The world we both live in right now is screaming towards World War Three and it is coming fast.
What are those 40,000 doing as WW3 approaches? ZERO

WW3 is the 4th Seal and by it's end 2 billion will have dies by disease, famine and war and then the greatest time of trouble since creation begins

Are the 40,000 warning, are they asking their members to repent? NO they are UNDER GRACE! good luck with that.

27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay [them] before me.
 
memberofthebride said:
and by the way we know exactly where Christ went when He returned to the third heaven, He is standing on the right hand of the Father's Throne,, does it say where the two were taken, was there a specific location mentioned?

It would be interesting to know what the two would do in the Third heaven? would they live with angels?
I have never read anything regarding what there is to DO in heaven or a reason for even being there?

One thing I am certain of;; God the Father and Jesus Christ do not need the help of any of us, they are in 100% control of every thing.
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So a plane load of people die in a plane crash, some were Christians, and God is in control of EVERYTHING? God is certainly NOT in control of everything on earth, if He were " all would come to repentance " which is His will. If God is in control of everything on earth why did Jesus tell us to pray" Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven"? Man has a part to play, God gave it to him, it's a partnership(we're junior partners) The end result will be just as prophesied but man has to cooperate. But don't worry, God ALWAYS has a remnant!
memberofthebride said:
what you have shown is the same confusion extant among the 40,000 flavors of confusion

It would be interesting to see how many of the 40,000 would agree with you,
there is little agreement within the 40,000 - which the fact there is 40,000 -- prove.

The world we both live in right now is screaming towards World War Three and it is coming fast.
What are those 40,000 doing as WW3 approaches? ZERO

WW3 is the 4th Seal and by it's end 2 billion will have dies by disease, famine and war and then the greatest time of trouble since creation begins

Are the 40,000 warning, are they asking their members to repent? NO they are UNDER GRACE! good luck with that.

27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay [them] before me.
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I'm not talking about 40,000. I asked YOU a pointed question, about scripture, which you SAY you love, why don't you answer the question, by scripture? Any time you get stuck you fall back on 40,000, another diversion. If the 40,000, whoever they are, are going by scripture, not conjecture or men's tradition, then yes, I'm with them. A great baseball manager once said " It's what you learn after you think you know it all that counts."
 
memberofthebride said:
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I have learned over my many decades that trusting men is not wise, at all

Therefore: I trust only the WORD of God.

That WORD states clearly – it is the Many that are deceived

If most of the 40,000 churches, the Many, teach a doctrine I can not find in clear terms, I reject it. Sadly, there are many.

The Saint’s will Go to heaven, that is their reward --- I have never found!

Repeatedly, it is stated our reward is eternal life – not dwelling in the 3rd heaven.

The Apostle Peter states, we, the saints of God, will reign here on earth with Christ.

The question of Elijah; when the Word States “ALL died” and does not state, except Elijah, I must believe he is included. There is that one unclear scripture.

When it states “that they “without” us should not be made perfect.” “they” - “all” - those that came before Christ will rises to eternal life -- together at the same time, I must believe the Word.

I know nothing can or will change anyone’s mind. The Word states clearly the entire world has been deceived by Satan and will be so until Christ’s returns bringing Truth.

The web gives the number of Christian churches at 45,000.

Why are there more than ONE? Even on this blog there is very little agreement.

Fact; God’s word must be revealed. Unless the Father opens one’s mind, there can be no understanding of HIS Word.

10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?

11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

Why would Christ not want the Many to understand and be saved? As Christ taught, it is only the FEW that He came to call now?

12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.

13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: “because” (#991-that they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, “neither” #3761 ‘and not’ understand.

Christ did not want the MANY to understand --- Christ came to call only the FEW and this time. The many will be called at a later time
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I was encouraged to read through your post, but I came across two points you made which don't seem right to me.

The first was; "The Word states clearly the entire world has been deceived by Satan and will be so until Christ’s returns bringing Truth".
I have always understood the "World", to mean unbelievers. Verses such as "we are in the world , but we are not of the world". There are many others but I trust you would agree that the word "world" is never used to describe believers.

The second part about the world being deceived until Christs return, is also not supported by the bible, because Christ is not coming back to preach the gospel and win unbelievers over to Himself. He did that, the first time He came. He's coming back to judge the world, there is no suggestion in the bible that anyone will be converted and saved after He returns.

Again, your last comment that "The many will be called at a later time" is not supported by the bible. Christ is not coming to call anyone to anything. He is simply coming back to judge the world, this means that believers will not be judged because we are a not a part of the world.
 
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I understand your questions; and hopefully I can answer them with scriptures.
all three require more then one scripture but I will attempt in one -- hopefully.

Matthew 7
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Christ is calling out those believing they are following Him. only a christian will claim Christ as their LORD.
Plus these christians are doing all these wonderful thing in the Name of Christ.

For Christ to say depart you that work iniquity -- these folks believing they are doing righteous works must be deceived . I would guess these "christians" will be shocked -- they can not know they are not doing what they should be doing. that defines a deceived person.

for the second question; I must go to the Old Testament and prophecy.
Micah 4

1But in the last days it shall come to pass, [that] the mountain of the house of the LORD shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.

this is at the return of Christ as KING of Kings to rule earth

2And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.

When Christ is KING, the entire world will look to Jerusalem to learn God's Perfect way, this is the 1000 year Sabbath rest. The people that survived the time of the end will be given their opportunity for eternal life, that is the time of judgement for them, once taught God's way will the obey?

3And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

4But they shall sit every man under his vine and under his fig tree; and none shall make [them] afraid: for the mouth of the LORD of hosts hath spoken [it].

5For all people will walk every one in the name of his god, and we will walk in the name of the LORD our God for ever and ever.

c
 
third question

Revelation 20

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and [I saw] the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received [his] mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

this the 1000 years after Christ has returned to rule earth as KING, the "Few" in the first resurrection rule with Christ bringing billions into eternal life.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection.

After the 1000 years are over, the over 100 billion or more that lived and died during the 6000 years are return to physical life by a 2nd resurrection and live another life time and are given their one opportunity for eternal life. the is the time the children that died by war, disease, accidents are resurrected and given their one chance as well.

6 Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

I hope this is helpful
 
memberofthebride said:
what you have shown is the same confusion extant among the 40,000 flavors of confusion

It would be interesting to see how many of the 40,000 would agree with you,
there is little agreement within the 40,000 - which the fact there is 40,000 -- prove.

The world we both live in right now is screaming towards World War Three and it is coming fast.
What are those 40,000 doing as WW3 approaches? ZERO

WW3 is the 4th Seal and by it's end 2 billion will have dies by disease, famine and war and then the greatest time of trouble since creation begins

Are the 40,000 warning, are they asking their members to repent? NO they are UNDER GRACE! good luck with that.

27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay [them] before me.
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Wow, 40,000 x 6! That's like 240,000!
 
NightTwister said:
Wow, 40,000 x 6! That's like 240,000!
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night-twister

Why are there so many different churches?
If understanding the Word of God comes from just simply reading it, why are there so many different churches?
If the Truth is the Truth why so many?
If you can explain I would love to here your explanation
 
memberofthebride said:
night-twister

Why are there so many different churches?
If understanding the Word of God comes from just simply reading it, why are there so many different churches?
If the Truth is the Truth why so many?
If you can explain I would love to here your explanation
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Why are there so many ice cream flavors?
If ice cream tastes good regardless of flavor, why are there so many different ones?
If ice cream is ice cream, why so many?
If you can explain, I would love to hear your explanation.
 
memberofthebride said:
what you have shown is the same confusion extant among the 40,000 flavors of confusion

It would be interesting to see how many of the 40,000 would agree with you,
there is little agreement within the 40,000 - which the fact there is 40,000 -- prove.

The world we both live in right now is screaming towards World War Three and it is coming fast.
What are those 40,000 doing as WW3 approaches? ZERO

WW3 is the 4th Seal and by it's end 2 billion will have dies by disease, famine and war and then the greatest time of trouble since creation begins

Are the 40,000 warning, are they asking their members to repent? NO they are UNDER GRACE! good luck with that.

27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay [them] before me.
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I watched a bit of Bayless Conley, Cottonwood Church California. He exhorted his congregation to take sin seriously, and not to use grace as a licence to sin. He used the example of a million dollar watch. Who would drag that through the mud? He said that the precious blood of Jesus was of infinitely greater value. Treating sin lightly is equivalent to dragging a item of great value through the mud.

I happen to agree with him. Vast numbers of believers would agree also. You slander those vast numbers of believers, joining Satan as the Accuser of the Brethren.

I'll tell you something else. Most real Christians don't care what denomination they attend. They go where God leads them. They go where they can have real fellowship. They go where God's word is preached. Sure, there is no perfect church. I can tell you this also. God does not have an entrance exam that involves doctrine. He has a spiritual stethoscope. He checks to see if people are alive in Christ. If yes, you are in. If no, you are rejected. We know that we have passed from death to life when we love the brethren. You do not even recognise the brethren, let alone love them.
 
Gideon300 said:
I watched a bit of Bayless Conley, Cottonwood Church California. He exhorted his congregation to take sin seriously, and not to use grace as a licence to sin. He used the example of a million dollar watch. Who would drag that through the mud? He said that the precious blood of Jesus was of infinitely greater value. Treating sin lightly is equivalent to dragging a item of great value through the mud.

I happen to agree with him. Vast numbers of believers would agree also. You slander those vast numbers of believers, joining Satan as the Accuser of the Brethren.

I'll tell you something else. Most real Christians don't care what denomination they attend. They go where God leads them. They go where they can have real fellowship. They go where God's word is preached. Sure, there is no perfect church. I can tell you this also. God does not have an entrance exam that involves doctrine. He has a spiritual stethoscope. He checks to see if people are alive in Christ. If yes, you are in. If no, you are rejected. We know that we have passed from death to life when we love the brethren. You do not even recognise the brethren, let alone love them.
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Gideon300 said:
I watched a bit of Bayless Conley, Cottonwood Church California. He exhorted his congregation to take sin seriously, and not to use grace as a licence to sin. He used the example of a million dollar watch. Who would drag that through the mud? He said that the precious blood of Jesus was of infinitely greater value. Treating sin lightly is equivalent to dragging a item of great value through the mud.

I happen to agree with him. Vast numbers of believers would agree also. You slander those vast numbers of believers, joining Satan as the Accuser of the Brethren.

I'll tell you something else. Most real Christians don't care what denomination they attend. They go where God leads them. They go where they can have real fellowship. They go where God's word is preached. Sure, there is no perfect church. I can tell you this also. God does not have an entrance exam that involves doctrine. He has a spiritual stethoscope. He checks to see if people are alive in Christ. If yes, you are in. If no, you are rejected. We know that we have passed from death to life when we love the brethren. You do not even recognise the brethren, let alone love them.
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Sorry that does not match what Jesus Christ inspirited in His Word, and it is not what I see with my own eyes and hear with my ears.
 
memberofthebride said:
I have come to the conclusion there is no up side to it.. You and I are as far away in what we accepts as God's truth as the moon is from the sun.
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If you won't share yours you have no right to complain about others. It's simple, really. I'm pretty sure I know the movement, but I won't say. You should.
 
Journey_man said:
I was encouraged to read through your post, but I came across two points you made which don't seem right to me.

The first was; "The Word states clearly the entire world has been deceived by Satan and will be so until Christ’s returns bringing Truth".
I have always understood the "World", to mean unbelievers. Verses such as "we are in the world , but we are not of the world". There are many others but I trust you would agree that the word "world" is never used to describe believers.

The second part about the world being deceived until Christs return, is also not supported by the bible, because Christ is not coming back to preach the gospel and win unbelievers over to Himself. He did that, the first time He came. He's coming back to judge the world, there is no suggestion in the bible that anyone will be converted and saved after He returns.

Again, your last comment that "The many will be called at a later time" is not supported by the bible. Christ is not coming to call anyone to anything. He is simply coming back to judge the world, this means that believers will not be judged because we are a not a part of the world.
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"World" is one of those words with multiple meanings. Like father, son, eternal, forever, etc. Context is important.

We read that "God so loved the world..." and then read in 1 John "Love not the world". In the first example "world" is understood to mean "humanity as a whole" whereas in the second example it means "the systems and schemes that govern the affairs of men".

Again, context is important. Certainly, Satan is the ruler over the darkness of the world, how men conduct themselves apart from the love of God.
 
NightTwister said:
If you won't share yours you have no right to complain about others. It's simple, really. I'm pretty sure I know the movement, but I won't say. You should.
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When I see error or something that's not logical, I question, I have found God to be logical.

all I am attempting to do is cause folks to question, yes, sometimes I push to hard.

but even if I say 2 + 2 = 4 folks stake their life its 6 1/2
 
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