Loss of salvation???

[Cameron143]

Stop it. It is pathological gaslighting.

I guess you can't admit it either, so you have to impugn another. I guess that's pathological criticism with those who disagree with you. It's also more poor discernment, as well as poor exegesis.

And I already shared with you, if you don't want a response, stop addressing me. I never begin a dialogue with you because this is always the way it ends.

 

[Cameron143]

Gaslighting is your forte...

You are here to try to prevent real progress in better understanding God's Word.

More poor judgment. You have been taught for years that water applies to physical birth. Some people were taught it means baptism. Neither of which are in view.

The construction of verses 3 and 5 are both speaking of seeing the kingdom of God. One says one must be born again and the other says one must be born of water and the Spirit. Being born again is being born of water and the Spirit. To read the passage as you say it would say, in essence...we must be born physically and spiritually to see the kingdom of heaven. Being born again has nothing to do with being born physically.

 

[Ouch]

Ephesians 4:5


One Lord, one faith, one baptism.

Some of you here have "two" baptisms.
And, stay that way, because you are double minded.

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If HIS word says we have to be baptized in JESUS name to remit our sins.

What baptism are you refering to when Eph 4:5 says one?

Can we enter Heaven with sin?

 

[Ouch]

There is only one baptism that saves and places us into the body of Christ and that is Spirit baptism, not water baptism.

Ephesians 4:5 - ..one Lord, one faith, one baptism.

1 Corinthians 12:13 - For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body--whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free--and have all been made to drink into one Spirit. *Also see John 4:10,14; 7:37-39 for the word drink(s) and see the connection with the Holy Spirit.

If HIS word says we have to be baptized in JESUS name to remit our sins.

What baptism are you refering to when Eph 4:5 says one?

Can we enter Heaven with sin?

 

[Undergrace1]

If HIS word says we have to be baptized in JESUS name to remit our sins.

What baptism are you refering to when Eph 4:5 says one?

Can we enter Heaven with sin?

A man is powerfully convicted of sin as the Holy Spirit comes to him. He gets down on his knees, tears streaming down his cheeks and asks God to forgive him his wrongs. He asks Christ into his life as his saviour
How will God respond, will he say to the man:
'I will forgive you, but not yet, only when you have been baptised in water'
Doesn't sound right to me

 

[Ouch]

A man is powerfully convicted of sin as the Holy Spirit comes to him. He gets down on his knees, tears streaming down his cheeks and asks God to forgive him his wrongs. He asks Christ into his life as his saviour
How will God respond, will he say to the man:
'I will forgive you, but not yet, only when you have been baptised in water'
Doesn't sound right to me

We can think anything we like, I notice you didn't back up what you think with HIS word?

What makes you think what you say is true?

GOD has rule book for us to follow.

John 9:31 Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.

HIS word is clear he DON'T hear sinner, right?

How do we do HIS will and get rid of our sins so he can hear us?

Acts 2,
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

Does that sound about right?

 

[Undergrace1]

We can think anything we like, I notice you didn't back up what you think with HIS word?

What makes you think what you say is true?

GOD has rule book for us to follow.

John 9:31 Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.

HIS word is clear he DON'T hear sinner, right?

How do we do HIS will and get rid of our sins so he can hear us?

Acts 2,
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

Does that sound about right?

Let's try this, can the unforgiven, those not in a justified state receive the Holy Spirit as the disciples did at Pentecost and speak in tongues(Cornelius and his household had not yet been baptised in water)

You can say God has a rulebook, but he is entitled to do as he wants when he wants, he is not bound by rule books in such circumstances, for he is God Almighty

 

[JimiSurvivor]

Still stuck on Salvation. I’m just amazed that no one on here can seem to move past this.

Bro, are you born? Are you still in your mom. Let’s discuss that. How do we really know that we’re born?! What if I become unborn? Stop worrying about bs

Move on! Your saved. Now start becoming useful. Who are you praying for/ ministering to? Quit wallowing

Sounds like you hold dogmatically to OSAS. How can you tell someone "move on, quit wallowing and get on with bearing fruit."" knowing nothing about their experience? Simon Magus, seemed to be saved. He had (supposedly) renounced his former sins and even gotten baptized. It took Peter's discernment to see that Simon had never really repented or changed.

This was exposed when Peter told him: …22Repent, therefore, of your wickedness, and pray to the Lord.
Perhaps He will forgive you for the intent of your heart. (Here Peter suggests that Simon was NOT REALLY FORGIVEN)
23For I see that you are poisoned by bitterness and captive to iniquity.”
24 Then Simon answered, “Pray to the Lord for me, so that nothing you have said may happen to me.”…(Acts 8:22-24)
Perhaps Peter should have comforted and encouraged Simon saying: "Move on, you are saved. Now start becoming useful"

 

[JimiSurvivor]

Let's try this, can the unforgiven, those not in a justified state receive the Holy Spirit as the disciples did at Pentecost and speak in tongues(Cornelius and his household had not yet been baptised in water)

You can say God has a rulebook, but he is entitled to do as he wants when he wants, he is not bound by rule books in such circumstances, for he is God Almighty

God apparently is somewhat flexible in exactly when and how people are baptized. This does not mean He has not commanded us to be Baptized or that the act of Baptism does not result in a spiritual blessing.

 

[Undergrace1]

God apparently is somewhat flexible in exactly when and how people are baptized. This does not mean He has not commanded us to be Baptized or that the act of Baptism does not result in a spiritual blessing.

I agree, all believers should be baptised in water

 

[JimiSurvivor]

Sounds like you hold dogmatically to OSAS. How else could you tell someone you do not know to "move on, quit wallowing and get on with bearing fruit.""

Still stuck on Salvation. I’m just amazed that no one on here can seem to move past this. Bro, are you born? Are you still in your mom. Let’s discuss that. How do we really know that we’re born?! What if I become unborn? Stop worrying about bs
Move on! Your saved. Now start becoming useful. Who are you praying for/ ministering to? Quit wallowing

Sounds like you hold dogmatically to OSAS. How can you tell someone "move on, quit wallowing and get on with bearing fruit."" knowing nothing about their experience? Simon Magus, SEEMED to be saved. He had SUPPOSEDLY renounced his former sins and even gotten baptized. It took Peter's discernment to see that Simon had never really repented or changed.
It was brought to light when Peter told him:

…22Repent, therefore, of your wickedness, and pray to the Lord. Perhaps He will forgive you for the intent of your heart. (Here Peter suggests that Simon was NOT REALLY FORGIVEN)
23For I see that you are poisoned by bitterness and captive to iniquity.”
24 Then Simon answered, “Pray to the Lord for me, so that nothing you have said may happen to me.”…(Acts 8:22-24)
Perhaps Peter should have comforted and encouraged Simon saying: "Move on, you are saved. Now start becoming useful"

Simon Magus, had PROFESSED to have faith in Christ. He had (apparently) ceased practicing his former sins and had even been baptized. It took Peter's discernment to see that, in his heart, Simon had never really repented or changed.

 

[Ouch]

Let's try this, can the unforgiven, those not in a justified state receive the Holy Spirit as the disciples did at Pentecost and speak in tongues(Cornelius and his household had not yet been baptised in water)

You can say God has a rulebook, but he is entitled to do as he wants when he wants, he is not bound by rule books in such circumstances, for he is God Almighty

I sure do agree with you, in Acts 10 GOD knew the Gentiles were going to be reborn he had it all set up from the bigging of time.

The Gentiles were ready and wating, then Peter got set up by a dream and was on his mission.

Since Jews were not even allowed to talk to the Gentiles (my opinon) JESUS gave them the Holy Ghost which suppirzed Peter and he commanded them to be baptized.

So even today, GOD knows us and will fill us when HE is ready, some after being baptized some before.

I will add, that was the first time for the Gentiles to hear the message so there was no chance of them even knowing how to remit sins, today we do.

So I do agree GOD can do anything HE wishes but he still has to follow HIS own rules if not how just could he be?

GOD BLESS YOU.

 

[Genez]

I guess you can't admit it either, so you have to impugn another. I guess that's pathological criticism with those who disagree with you. It's also more poor discernment, as well as poor exegesis.

And I already shared with you, if you don't want a response, stop addressing me. I never begin a dialogue with you because this is always the way it ends.

No sir. The real problem is... I see what you do.

 

[Cameron143]

No sir. The real problem is... I see what you do.

You're simply projecting. And, again, it's poor discernment. I am not here to keep others from learning truth or to divert them from a fuller relationship with God as you have proposed. I'm here to share truth and promote a fuller understanding of God and His ways.

 

[Genez]

You're simply projecting. And, again, it's poor discernment. I am not here to keep others from learning truth or to divert them from a fuller relationship with God as you have proposed. I'm here to share truth and promote a fuller understanding of God and His ways.

Cameron.... You are naked.
Put on some fig leaves.

Maybe you are A.I.

 

[Cameron143]

Cameron.... You are naked.
Put on some fig leaves.

Maybe you are A.I.

I'm not naked. I'm wonderfully clothed in the righteousness of Christ. That you cannot see this speaks to your spiritual condition, and not mine. But as this is always the progression of dialogue with you, I bid you grace and peace.

 

[Ouch]

You're simply projecting. And, again, it's poor discernment. I am not here to keep others from learning truth or to divert them from a fuller relationship with God as you have proposed. I'm here to share truth and promote a fuller understanding of God and His ways.

I'm sure you have good intenetions.

What don't you like about the part of how we get rid of ours sins?

 

[Cameron143]

I'm sure you have good intenetions.

What don't you like about the part of how we get rid of ours sins?

I love it. Why do you ignore that sins are remitted by the shedding of blood?

 

[Jackson129]

If HIS word says we have to be baptized in JESUS name to remit our sins.

What baptism are you refering to when Eph 4:5 says one?

Can we enter Heaven with sin?

Was the thief on the cross baptized?

 

[sawdust]

So water must be symbolic. Now you're getting somewhere.

Except you forgot, Jesus doesn't baptize with water, just like Peter forgot.

Acts 11:16
Then I remembered what the Lord had said: ‘John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’

The only way it could be water is if it is referring to John's baptism which, is not for the Church, so either way you're stuffed.

Have fun.