How Much Money Should People Be Allowed to Make On Social Media -- If Any At All?

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Lol, great answer! :ROFL:

I've been quite appreciative of a lot of the content in the finance space. Yeah, a good number of them aren't actually making money from the skills they try to sell in their courses, but are only making money from those willing to pay for all the nothing burgers.

I HAVE found some very useful content on a few channels though, and I tend to gift them a small amount when I find something especially genuine and useful.

The beauty space also saves me money, since my skin is very sensitive -- honest reviews keep me from buying a lot of duds, so I pick out a beauty channel or two to donate to as well when my Giving Budget has funding. :)

I dont anybody money lol. Not online. I order stuff sometimes. I like to read the reviews before I lay my money down. I go to the worst reviews first to see what's the worst that people are seeing with this product. Sometimes I realize the one star review guy is a ninny or an idiot and go ahead and order it because I know better.

I'm pretty good at spotting the fake products and scams. They hardly ever slip one in on me any more. I bought that book, The Lost Ways and in the video with the old man. he holds up a nice book, hardback, and I appreciate good books. I have a few similar books already so figured it would be ok to add another. They sent me a paperback book. A big paperback book but it wasnt even close to what he showed in the ad so I called him on it. I said you misled me and made us believe that we was ordering that nice hardback book that you showed in the video and then sent me the Chinese cheap copy, what's with that? I feel lied to and I think it deserves a discount....So I wound up getting it for 1/2 price, he refunded my card some. I asked him why didnt he make the nice hardback book available, I would've payed more if I knew I was getting the good one. Did you sell your American integrity to the Chinese too? (That's when I got my refund!)
 
Anyone should be free to try and do this if they feel inclined to. This is the land of the free, after all.

That would depend on the level of monetization v.s. how much I value my time. In other words, the pay would have to be worth it to me. It's unlikely in my case as I put a high value on my time.

I agree with you here but it wont work long term because we can not trust our government and they are the gatekeepers of the internet and digital financing tho and so in my mind, bad choice for a business.
 
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All value is relative. Gold is useless to a starving man. It has a lot of value to one who is well fed but poor.

As for your last paragraph, playing pictionary is not nearly as distracting as watching tiktok. It's all about turning up the volume loud enough so you don't have to think. Your phone does that much better than your friends.

Once I heard a comedian say one of the most trenchant things I have ever heard. He said he sat down on the subway and suddenly realized he forgot his earbuds. Oh no! Now he can't listen to his music! Then he realized what he just thought and started trying to figure out why it was such a tragedy to him. "Oooooooh... I always thought I liked music. Turns out I just hate the sound of my own thoughts."


That goes along with my opinion that Christians could not survive an incisive interview about their walk with God.
Where are Christians challenged? They're not.

If you can use "trenchant", I can use "incisive".


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Hey Everyone,

I don't watch movies or TV anymore, but have to admit to having a slight addiction to YouTube. I have always loved libraries because I love the possibility of walking in and learning about literally any subject in the world -- and I have always seen YouTube as a "living library." I love having real-time access to a world of information -- all contained in a pocket-sized electronic "library card" that I can carry with me.

Some of my favorite areas of interest to watch/listen to videos on are finance, creative hobbies, travel, faith, and home making (everything from cooking to decorating to organization.) What are yours?

Lately though, I find myself struggling with watching content creation, because I don't like its tone. The social channels I listen to have pointed out that much of social media has become all advertising, asking for, or even trying to demand money, all just for being there. While I think it's to be expected with these platforms, it's most troubling to me when I see it happen among what I consider honest Christian people.

There are several people I've followed for many years, just everyday Christian people, and yes, I believe they are the sincere Christians they claim to be. (No one who follows my threads will be surprised to hear that I wrote one a fan letter, and she wrote an actual real, postal paper letter back to me!) I follow them for their genuine personalities, declarations of faith (which often include reading Bible passages, which is a brave thing to do nowadays when you have an audience,) and their authentic love and knowledge of the subjects they share about.

I am, however, a bit torn in that many I've listened to for years are all slowly adding paid tiers and programs to their channel -- not something they require, but "a way to support the channel." Examples include adding YouTube memberships, selling books and merchandise, monetizing their videos for ad revenue, setting up other platforms like Patreon, and, the highest red flag of all to me, selling "how-to" courses.

Growing up in church culture all my life, this is always something that's made me uncomfortable. "Buy whatever I'm selling to support my ministry and my family!"

I struggle because the Bible does indeed say, "The worker is worthy of his wages" (1 Timothy 5:18.)

* But is there a point where we, the consumers, get to decide if the work was worthy of paying OUR wages for it?! And who will have our backs in return if we're paying out for everyone else? (I know it's a matter of trusting God, but there has to be a balance -- somewhere.)

* Is there a limit as how many people can choose social media as a paid side hustle or full-time job -- and have a right to expect other people to pay for it?

For myself, I have a certain part of my "Giving Budget" that I set aside to give to social media channels I've found e specially helpful in my own life. But I have to admit to unsubscribing to some in which they were constantly asking for money, (or advertising companies I don't want to support,) and always talking about their problems as a way to hint for money (as if the rest of us don't have our own problems.)

I feel especially uncomfortable when people (including Christians) say, "Your contributions are helping to feed my family/pay for my costs of keeping this channel running/motivating me to keep going," or "Things have been really hard, I'm disabled/have a disabled loved one I take care of/have small children/just had another baby/have relatives in the hospital, and things are really tough. Your memberships/purchases/donations are helping to keep my family fed, clothed, and sheltered."

Countless people, including Christians, are seeing social media as a way to earn a living, and many seem to expect, or even become angry, that people aren't throwing money at them for just being there. I admit to being especially soft-hearted for anyone disabled/and or trying to care for others who also have special needs and are trying to support their families on social media because of real-world limitations.

However, if I give money to or unsubscribe from everyone who does these kinds of things, I'll soon be broke and won't have anyone left listen to (which could be a good thing.) I've also grown up around people who owned and ran businesses, and I know there can be a lot of costs behind the equipment (for recording and editing, which some people hire others to do,) as well as several other expenses viewers don't think about (the products and services they review, transportation, research, etc.)

I do try to stay open minded because if you could receive money, for example, for posting here on CC (let's say someone was willing to pay you a dollar per post) -- would you do it? And what if they were paying $5 for every thread? With as many threads as I write here just as a hobby, I have to tell you, I would be tempted by that.

If you could get paid to put up videos about things you love doing anyway (cooking, painting, working on cars, playing video games, etc.), would you do so?

But I also know that money, and whoever is paying it, will also start to control you, along with how, what, and why you post, and I wouldn't be okay with that at all. This is a major reason as to why, though many have kindly suggested it over the years, I have never tried to turn my writing into anything monetary. In the end, for the good or the bad, I want the final say about what I write and where I post it (at least, for now.) If someone came knocking and offered me a gaggle of money for posting on CC and I had a sick friend or relative who needed help, I would struggle with wanting to take the money.

How about you? What are your thoughts?

* How much money, if anything at all, should people be allowed to make on social media?

* Does it depend on what they produce? What topics are acceptable? Should they be allowed to film their families and friends?

* Do you believe in contributing money to channels you watch? Why or why not?

* Should those who can't work regular jobs be allowed to turn social media into a full-time, full-paying job -- especially if they have families to support?

* If you were offered a deal in which you were paid money every time you posted (or met certain requirements, like "recommending" a product) just to share something you love doing, or for every post you made on a site -- would you take the deal? Why or why not? Would it depend on how much money they were offering?


With social media being such a big part of our everyday lives, I would really like to hear your thoughts.
I love a good book or a movie , usually the film will b from last century , when they actually used to make films for grown ups ( I don't mean rude or violent etc ) films that provoked some sort of emotional response , same with books . I want to b challenged / engaged , or to learn something new about life and people or the world around me . Older books and films and even TV r often good at that sort of thing . Haven't seen too many modern films that can actually stop me from falling asleep 🥱 .
 
If you had gone around begging your viewers for money, that would have been seen as unmitigated temerity. Forget paywalls entirely.

A tree that has grown a lot in a good season may have too many branches to support in a dry season.

I get concerned about people who have made something like YouTube subscriptions their lifestyle and support. One little financial hiccup, one little recession, and suddenly they will be left scrambling to find what many people call a real job. Problem is at times like that, more dependable jobs are much harder to find.

Sometimes in a tough season some of the tree's branches will die off. If it had not grown them during the good season, it would not be losing them now. But things looked so much better back when it grew them.
unmitigated temerity??? It's too early for that. I'm glad I have my coffee! 😀
Glad I’m not alone…I was picturing termites… 🤭


I'm glad I'm not the only one as well!

Lynx is not only a walking Concordance, but he is also a living dictionary. He must have been the person all those really smart people were thinking of when they made up all those really big words, because he's one of the only people I know who uses them! :p

Funny thing -- when we started becoming friends, he wrote and told me one of the things he found interesting about my posts was my vocabulary.

I have no idea how I bamboozled him into thinking that, but he definitely got a bait and switch deal! :LOL:

The unfortunate souls who read my posts will soon realize I have the vocabulary of a 4th grader (and that's on a good day,) and that I use the same words over and over. They'll also realize I almost always have typos in my posts. I've often said I wonder if I have a learning disorder, because even though I try to proofread my longer posts 3 times, my brain always "reads" my writing the way it "sounds" in my head -- not what's on the page -- and my eyes skip right over the mistakes.

Honestly, half the time I don't know what Lynx is saying and have to gather the meaning through context (because even when I look up the words, I forget the meaning half a minute later) -- but don't tell HIM I said that!! :whistle::geek::cool:
 
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I've really enjoyed reading people's answers to this topic.

I have to be honest -- I was bracing myself for a lot of pushback and expected people to say things like, "Well why would you waste your time on YouTube anyway," all while giving long lectures about how the internet is of the devil and no real Christian would spend much of their time on it.

I'm the kind of person that believes almost any medium in life can be used for the good and the bad -- and I'm really glad to hear from others who have also experienced the positive -- all while learning and sharing a healthy balance of how to manage these things.
 
I'm glad I'm not the only one as well!

Lynx is not only a walking Concordance, but he is also a living dictionary. He must have been the person all those really smart people were thinking of when they made up all those really big words, because he's one of the only people I know who uses them! :p

Funny thing -- when we started becoming friends, he wrote and told me one of the things he found interesting about my posts was my vocabulary.

I have no idea how I bamboozled him into thinking that, but he definitely got a bait and switch deal! :LOL:

The unfortunate souls who read my posts will soon realize I have the vocabulary of a 4th grader (and that's on a good day,) and that I use the same words over and over. They'll also realize I almost always have typos in my posts. I've often said I wonder if I have a learning disorder, because even though I try to proofread my longer posts 3 times, my brain always "reads" my writing the way it "sounds" in my head -- not what's on the page -- and my eyes skip right over the mistakes.

Honestly, half the time I don't know what Lynx is saying and have to gather the meaning through context (because even when I look up the words, I forget the meaning half a minute later) -- but don't tell HIM I said that!! :whistle::geek::cool:


I use an app called "Grammarly. It polices my spelling, but man, does it want to make me use commas.
It tries to negate colloquial speech, so I can ignore those suggestions.
I like to write essays, so it comes in handy.


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I use an app called "Grammarly. It polices my spelling, but man, does it want to make me use commas. It tries to negate colloquial speech, so I can ignore those suggestions. I like to write essays, so it comes in handy.


See, there goes my wonky brain again.

I read this as, "It tries to negotiate colloquial speech," and I thought, "Yep. That would be just my luck."

And I immediately pictured myself passionately arguing with a grammar app all morning!

Of course, this all depends on exactly what the grammar app decided to negotiate with...

Two vowels, a consonant, and a "Get Out Of Grammar Jail Free" pass for at least 3 semicolons -- and I might have to put up a white flag. :oops:
 
I've really enjoyed reading people's answers to this topic.

I have to be honest -- I was bracing myself for a lot of pushback and expected people to say things like, "Well why would you waste your time on YouTube anyway," all while giving long lectures about how the internet is of the devil and no real Christian would spend much of their time on it.

I'm the kind of person that believes almost any medium in life can be used for the good and the bad -- and I'm really glad to hear from others who have also experienced the positive -- all while learning and sharing a healthy balance of how to manage these things.



Another great topic for discussion:
The use of fiction and entertainment in the lives of Christians.
There's that adage, "Guilty Pleasures". There are also cautionary tales.
On the face of it, it appears cut and dried, but there is nuance and benefit in knowing what is happening in the world.


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Another great topic for discussion:
The use of fiction and entertainment in the lives of Christians.
There's that adage, "Guilty Pleasures". There are also cautionary tales.
On the face of it, it appears cut and dried, but there is nuance and benefit in knowing what is happening in the world.

This would be a great idea for a thread!

As I'm sure you'll well aware, threads often go down rabbit holes of related or other topics and that can be part of the fun, but if by some chance, you have topics you really want to see discussed, may I suggest starting separate threads about them?

Not that you have to, of course, but just a suggestion.

The thing I've found is that people often have limited time and just dart in to either voice their own thoughts or read a few posts -- so new questions and topics brought up along the way often get lost.

Bringing them to the forefront in a dedicated thread seems to be the best way to make sure they don't get missed. :)
 
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The unfortunate souls who read my posts will soon realize I have the vocabulary of a 4th grader (and that's on a good day,)

That's probably why many of us can understand your posts... you're writing at our level! Condolences to the younger folks, many of whom are graduating from high school at about the 2nd grade level, and can't effectively read or write.;)
 
I've really enjoyed reading people's answers to this topic.

I have to be honest -- I was bracing myself for a lot of pushback and expected people to say things like, "Well why would you waste your time on YouTube anyway," all while giving long lectures about how the internet is of the devil and no real Christian would spend much of their time on it.

I'm the kind of person that believes almost any medium in life can be used for the good and the bad -- and I'm really glad to hear from others who have also experienced the positive -- all while learning and sharing a healthy balance of how to manage these things.

Your first post about how you dont watch TV anymore and spend a lot of time on youtube describes me to a T. I wont even watch the news, admittedly after Jesus asked me not to watch the news...several times!

You tube changed recently. It's like AI took over. The enemy is flooding youtube with good videos and even mostly truthful, but are designed to be irrelevant and keep people distracted from practicing your presence before God and learning to hear His voice. In Spirit and in truth is at it's critical point I believe. Most people know a lot about Jesus and can quote many scriptures. But it isnt the same thing as knowing Him.

Jesus has Youtube channels too!
 
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To answer the thread title, how much should a store be allowed to charge for a product? the answer is never what is a fair price. The answer is always whatever they believe the market will support. If they think more people will buy it at a higher price, they will charge a higher price. If they think they can get a lot more customers at a slightly lower price, they will lower it.

Currently the market will support a lot of videos making a lot of money. That has not always been the case and I believe it will not always be the case. But right now that is how things are.
 
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Youtube snatched up a large market share because other forms of media entertainment have declined markedly in quality.

A lot of people have the money because they've dropped things like cable TV, magazines, going to the movies and other kinds of entertainment that was prevalent in the 90's and 2000's.... I haven't bought a DVD, or Music CD, in years. Still buy books, though.
 
long lectures about how the internet is of the devil and no real Christian would spend much of their time on it.
There are definitely Pastors that tell their people not to be on the internet, no doubt with good intentions to keep people away from bad content; but what I think a lot of them don't realize is that a lot of us are surrounded by heathens on a daily basis; God has kept us seated at a table with our enemies, there is no escape from bad content in this world.... and on the other hand, there is more useful information online than any educational institution can provide that helps you become a productive member of society- something we are biblically required to do or at least attempt to do. But these same people wouldn't dare ban the congregation from public school, where there is no shortage of miseducation and worldly fitlth.... it doesn't make any sense.

What I find absolutely beautiful about the internet and social media, is the revival and expansion of the patronage system; because patronage is based on grace. You're not paying for some service you didn't ask for because it's required. You're paying because you received something you're so thankful for that you want to pay. That is as close to the kingdom of heaven that the world can ever get.
 
You make interesting points.
Why do people in general, Christians especially, have such a desire for entertainment spectacles?
I see why the young and immature need the experience of an extravaganza to file away in their memories,
but after a while, I can watch a performance on TV and be able to imagine how difficult the parking was,
and the expensive food and trinkets, and the lines to the bathroom, and the obnoxious fans.

I don't remember being enthralled with celebrity past age 25.
I tell people I saw Bob Dylan less and less. This is the first time in decades.

I've never even been impressed with a YouTube influencer for more than a few weeks.
After a very short while, they hit repetition mode and check out, knowing that
as one market ages out and gets bored with them, another will crop up because they've never heard it.
You can process the content in most channels in a matter of a few hours.
More often than not, you can figure out that a channel has no value in minutes.

I hear that even if something has no true intrinsic value, it makes the economy go round.

I wonder why we're not satisfied playing cards or Pictionary with our friends anymore. It's free.
Relationships are what take a hit with our obsession with YouTube channels.



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Yes. Most of what I watch is news about Israel and Ukraine. More recently, Iran has been in the mix. There are some good news reports in there, including Muslims turning to Jesus in large numbers. I listen to some preachers also.

I've not been interested in eschatology until recently. I've always had the opinion that Jesus will come back and that's all I needed to know. Current events have got my interest as so much prophecy is being fulfilled. As a former military man, I am interested in that realm. Even that gets a little repetitive after a while.

I'd be more impressed with celebrities if they stuck to their profession instead of becoming promoters of woke progressive ideology. I don't know why acting makes anyone an expert in politics and ethics.

I was a fan of Bob Dylan before I was saved. He is supposedly born again. I heard his "Christian" record ("Slow train coming"?) but it was lifeless.
 
A tree will grow as much as the conditions around the tree allow it to grow.

A few decades ago this particular tree would not have grown much. Even if YouTube had been so prevalent back then, few people have the money to throw away on YouTube channels. If you had gone around begging your viewers for money, that would have been seen as unmitigated temerity. Forget paywalls entirely.

A tree that has grown a lot in a good season may have too many branches to support in a dry season.

I get concerned about people who have made something like YouTube subscriptions their lifestyle and support. One little financial hiccup, one little recession, and suddenly they will be left scrambling to find what many people call a real job. Problem is at times like that, more dependable jobs are much harder to find.

Sometimes in a tough season some of the tree's branches will die off. If it had not grown them during the good season, it would not be losing them now. But things looked so much better back when it grew them.
I'm so glad I am retired. Countless jobs are going to be taken over by AI. Self driving taxis and trucks are not far away. What will the redundant drivers do?

I have observed a few things in my 74 years. One is that unemployed people are rarely constructive, especially the young.
 
Yes. Most of what I watch is news about Israel and Ukraine. More recently, Iran has been in the mix. There are some good news reports in there, including Muslims turning to Jesus in large numbers. I listen to some preachers also.

I've not been interested in eschatology until recently. I've always had the opinion that Jesus will come back and that's all I needed to know. Current events have got my interest as so much prophecy is being fulfilled. As a former military man, I am interested in that realm. Even that gets a little repetitive after a while.

I'd be more impressed with celebrities if they stuck to their profession instead of becoming promoters of woke progressive ideology. I don't know why acting makes anyone an expert in politics and ethics.

I was a fan of Bob Dylan before I was saved. He is supposedly born again. I heard his "Christian" record ("Slow Train Coming"?), but it was lifeless.


I'll tell you everything I understand about eschatology... I'm done.

Dylan did a trilogy, but I only bought the first one. I still remember "You Gotta Serve Somebody" vividly.
Quite the hook. I figured at the time it was a celebrity conversion.

Talking about Christian performers, I saw Amy Grant the first time she came to San Antonio.
(Just wanting to make it about myself.)
I was so disappointed that she struggled with faithfulness.

It contributed to my cynicism, and now I can't make up my mind about YouTube influencers.
Are they modern-day money changers?
Does it contribute to the perception that the church is a business?
What would Paul's t-shirts have looked like?





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I'll tell you everything I understand about eschatology... I'm done.

Dylan did a trilogy, but I only bought the first one. I still remember "You Gotta Serve Somebody" vividly.
Quite the hook. I figured at the time it was a celebrity conversion.

Talking about Christian performers, I saw Amy Grant the first time she came to San Antonio.
(Just wanting to make it about myself.)
I was so disappointed that she struggled with faithfulness.

It contributed to my cynicism, and now I can't make up my mind about YouTube influencers.
Are they modern-day money changers?
Does it contribute to the perception that the church is a business?
What would Paul's t-shirts have looked like?
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It must be hard being a believer in the entertainment industry. I have an Amy Grant CD. She sings some nice enough Christian songs. I have to say that her attitude to divorce floored me.

I've recently listened to Josh Groban. He has an amazing voice and he seems genuine. Some of his more recent songs glorify Jesus. He is also performing to the world. He's coming to Australia in March. I doubt that I'll go to a concert. It's a lot of money. The premium ticket are nearly A$800.00, about USD500. I suppose its one way of getting money out of unbelievers. Josh Groban is known as a philanthropist.

There are some you tubers who seem genuine. Others are peddling the gospel for a profit. That's for sure not restricted to you tube.

I will say that the world seeks any excuse to criticise believers. I watched a press conference with Billy Graham. He was criticised for wearing good quality suits. His reply was something to the effect that he wore suits a lot and it was cheaper to buy a few good ones than many cheap suits.
 
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