Saving Faith in Christ is not Faith Alone in Christ

[ATG]

You have no idea as to what it means to be saved.

I believe I know what your salvation means to you, by listening to you and others that preach it. But of course, when speaking to someone trusting in their Faith Alone to save them, I have to clarify the difference between their salvation, vs the saving faith that is only in Jesus Christ.

Mat 1:21
And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Faith in Jesus Christ saves from sinning, not with sinning.

2Co 13:7
Now I pray to God that ye do no evil; not that we should appear approved, but that ye should do that which is honest, though we be as reprobates.

The other salvation by a person's Faith Alone, is only for the doers of good and evil.

Rev 3:15
I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

So, you can certainly disagree with the salvation I preach by Scripture, but you cannot deny that your salvation and mine are not the same. Neither in faith nor practice. You're more than welcome to yours, and I'll gladly keep mine.

 

[Dino246]

Faith Alone without works, doesn't mean there are no works? Then how can Faith be Alone when there are works? As Paul would then say, Alone is no more alone. Or, works are no more works.

And so here we so the whole nonsensical illusion of having Faith Alone, whether without or with works.

1: Faith Alone without works: Faith Alone cannot be without works, while doing works. Therefore Faith Alone without works, must be without doing anything, else work is not more doing.

The only way to have Faith Alone without works, is not to practice and live by that Faith Alone. Faith must remain Alone without doing any work, else that Faith is no more alone:

Therefore, Having Faith Alone without works is having Faith only on the inside, and not lived on the outside. The hypocrisy of saved on the inside, not on the outside...For they say, and do not.

2: Faith Alone with works: Faith Alone where there are works, is not Faith Alone without works, else Alone is not alone, but is with works.

Therefore, Saving Faith Alone with works, is not having Faith Alone, but is having salvation by Faith with works.

Every time you post, you demonstrate your willful ignorance. What is your problem?

 

[Just_A__Follower]

Faith Alone without works, doesn't mean there are no works? Then how can Faith be Alone when there are works? As Paul would then say, Alone is no more alone. Or, works are no more works.

And so here we so the whole nonsensical illusion of having Faith Alone, whether without or with works.

1: Faith Alone without works: Faith Alone cannot be without works, while doing works. Therefore Faith Alone without works, must be without doing anything, else work is not more doing.

The only way to have Faith Alone without works, is not to practice and live by that Faith Alone. Faith must remain Alone without doing any work, else that Faith is no more alone:

Therefore, Having Faith Alone without works is having Faith only on the inside, and not lived on the outside. The hypocrisy of saved on the inside, not on the outside...For they say, and do not.

2: Faith Alone with works: Faith Alone where there are works, is not Faith Alone without works, else Alone is not alone, but is with works.

Therefore, Saving Faith Alone with works, is not having Faith Alone, but is having salvation by Faith with works.

Still waiting on you to answer whether you’re perfectly righteous or not. Also here’s another one you can answer.
Do you understand the difference between having faith alone and being saved by faith alone? I’ll give you a scenario to help you out.

A man jumps into the river with two inflatable rafts. He is about to drown so he inflates one. Now he was saved by that life raft alone. Does it mean he only had one life raft alone? No. The problem is the other one had holes in it and couldn’t be used to save him.

Faith alone doesn’t mean that you only have faith and nothing else. It means that only your faith can save you because your works are not perfect whether you think they are or not.

 

[ATG]

Yea I’m not sure of his point but by his logic Christ has no body and not one human will spend eternity with the Father.

Jesus Christ has no sinful body, with any sinning members.

Any Christ that has sinning members, is not Jesus Christ the righteous.

Sounds almost like the 19th century holiness movement.

Doctrinally yes, in practice no:

1 Peter{1:14}
As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance: But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation; Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.

The practices added by the holiness movement, especially by the 20th century 'Pentecostals', become the Pharisees of Christian religion. They add a bunch of personal carnal ordinances to the righteous law of Christ, the same as the Pharisees did to the good law of Moses.

Eph 4:24
And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

Paul was well aware of his own excellence in the Jews' religion, so that he knew the difference between the true holiness of God, vs the false holiness of self-righteous men.

Mat 15:9
But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Ex: The Pharisees added personal rules to keeping the Sabbath, so that 'doing no work' meant doing nothing physical, such as preparing food, rubbing together ears of corn, and even healing and saving lives on the Sabbath.

The Pentecost are not that rabidly 'holiness', but they have their own personal rules for their pseudo 'holiness standard', such as women not cutting hair at all, men not wearing shorts, no wine or strong drink, no movies, etc...

Paul sums up the whole 'holiness' mess neatly:

Col 2:20
Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances, (Touch not; taste not; handle not; Which all are to perish with the using) after the commandments and doctrines of men?)

 

[ATG]

Every time you post, you demonstrate your willful ignorance. What is your problem?

At this point, demonstrate your willful blindness. Your problem is rejecting a teaching of Scripture, without having any means to correct it. And so instead you just go personal.

"Na-ah. You're stupid" Is fine for children.

In any case, I love the Scripture teaching, and don't care if others hate it. It would be good to be corrected in any part of the argument, but it's not necessary for me to enjoy teaching it. Afterall, practice makes perfect...

 

[Dino246]

At this point, demonstrate your willful blindness. Your problem is rejecting a teaching of Scripture, without having any means to correct it. And so instead you just go personal.

"Na-ah. You're stupid" Is fine for children.

In any case, I love the Scripture teaching, and don't care if others hate it. It would be good to be corrected in any part of the argument, but it's not necessary for me to enjoy teaching it. Afterall, practice makes perfect...

What I reject is your continual misrepresentation of a view you don’t understand. You choose not to learn. I really don’t care if you agree, but when you essentially lie about what others believe, you are acting like a jerk, not a Christian.

 

[pinebeach]

I believe I know what your salvation means to you, by listening to you and others that preach it. But of course, when speaking to someone trusting in their Faith Alone to save them, I have to clarify the difference between their salvation, vs the saving faith that is only in Jesus Christ.

Like Paul said, I am afraid that people are too easily drawn away from the simplicity of the gospel.

3I am afraid, however, that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent’s cunning, your minds may be led astray from your simple and pure devotion to Christ. 4For if someone comes and proclaims a Jesus other than the One we proclaimed, or if you receive a different spirit than the One you received, or a different gospel than the one you accepted, you put up with it very easily. II Cor. 11

The only work acceptable to God, is the work completed by Jesus.

A confused and confusing offering is acknowledged, thank you mr op, and no amount of persuasion, Bible verses, refutation or any other vehicle, is going to persuade the author that everyone but them, is....wait for it....wrong.

It is becoming and to some of us here for some time now, obvious that the gospel is under attack as never before and some of the worst actors are people calling themself 'Christian', while offering unbiblical 'deep' knowledge of never before seen 'truths' that are actually deceptions with demonic entities behind them, seducing those who think too much of themselves and therefore open to such 'teachings' and only too eager to pass them along.

Pray daily for discernment.

 

[pinebeach]

At this point, demonstrate your willful blindness. Your problem is rejecting a teaching of Scripture, without having any means to correct it. And so instead you just go personal.

"Na-ah. You're stupid" Is fine for children.

In any case, I love the Scripture teaching, and don't care if others hate it. It would be good to be corrected in any part of the argument, but it's not necessary for me to enjoy teaching it. Afterall, practice makes perfect...

For example, in this post, the author actually and unwittingly, reveals their own problems including the fact they 'love' what they teach.

What are those problems?

Mocking a person who tries to correct their unbiblical renderings, accusing others of not loving truth (actually meaning their own version of it which, by the very fact it is not true, makes their attachment to it all the worse)

They refuse to discuss preferring instead to brag about their 'practice' of said personal teaching

Accusing someone of calling them stupid when no such action ocurred (false accusation)

Saying to someone who actually points out their error from scripture as 'suffering from willful blindness'; again applicable to the author

Apparently thinking children are allowed to respond with insults and name calling

I could go on, but try some discernment and see how many you can find for yourself

 

[GRACE_ambassador]

Saving "faith In Christ"?:

Overlooked, instead of prayerful / Careful Review Of All These Scriptures, eh?:

The Three Tenses Of God's Eternal Salvation!
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God's Wonderful / Marvelous / Uncomprehendeble OPERATION At "The Exact Moment" of...

...(God's Part = ) Grace + ( our part = ) faith!!:

God's OPERATION On All New-born babes In Christ!
+ Updates: (of # 11) + (of #14)

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Because Of God's Own All-Sufficient BLOOD Shed FOR mankind, Today, there is One
and Only ONE [ Spiritual ] Baptism { Performed "At The Exact Moment" OF: }
faith...

...In Which God Has All The Following "Profitable" Scriptures For The Body Of Christ!:

God's Eternal Salvation Is, In Biblical Fact, "in view" In God's Revelation Of The Mystery,

To/For Gentiles, Today, In His Dispensation Of The Grace Of God, Biblically Confirmed By:​

God's Eternal Life Assurance
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God's Eternal Life Insurance
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No, no way is God's Grace a "license to sin" - who teaches such { man-Made-Up } Nonsense?

"What Saith The Scriptures"?:

"For The Grace of God That Bringeth Salvation Hath Appeared to all men,​

Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live​

soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; Looking for That​

Blessed Hope, and The Glorious Appearing Of The Great God and our​

Saviour Jesus Christ" (Titus 2:11-13 AV)​

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And, precious friend(s), Please Be Very Richly Encouraged and Edified
In The Lord Jesus Christ and In His Precious Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided:

The Bible: The BIG Picture

Amen.

 

[ATG]

Seriously? This is how you think of yourself?

Seriously? You think I'm Jesus Christ, because I quote and teach His words?

If you fall short of the Lord's faith and works, then that's your problem with your Faith Alone without works ideology.

And if you won't repent to do the Lord's faith, then that also your problem with being captive to your own ideology.

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. (1 Jn 1:8)

So, here we see another problem of your Faith Alone justification: You must compel Scripture to say that God says we all must have sin against Him in our hearts. That all men must lust for the world. Lest we be decieved. Decieved about what? About having pure hearts toward God and His Son Jesus Christ, rather than continuing with corrupt hearts of sin?

2Pe 1:3
Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

How can anyone have sin and lust against God in their hearts, except they have not escaped from lust and corruption of the world? But, if our hearts have been thoroughly purged and made clean by the Spirit and blood of the Lamb of God, then how can we still have sin and lust of the world, lest Scripture is lying about the work of the Spirit by faith in Jesus Christ?

1 Peter{1:22}
Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, [see that ye] love one another with a pure heart fervently:

1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

How can anyone have a pure heart cleansed from all unrighteousness by Jesus' forgiveness of all sin, and yet still have sinful unrighteousness in the heart?

Is Jesus a liar, or is the Scripture being corrupted by your Faith Alone, in order to justify your own continued sinful heart...

You see how captive you are to the Faith Alone ideology? The only way to be justified by Faith Alone while doing unrighteousness, is by having an unrighteous heart. If the heart is pure, and the life clean escaped from evil doing, then what need of any Faith Alone to save apart from good works? Faith Alone is only necessary to justify with evil works.

In any case, reading all Scripture with pure eyes toward God and His righteousness: Anyone saying they have no sin, while walking in darkness, is deceiving themselves. The same as anyone saying they are in the light, while walking in darkness.

1Jo 1:6
If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

1Jo 1:8
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

The apostle is not speaking of himself nor any Christian, at any time of walking in the light, with no works of darkness. Only if a believer is walking in darkness, then any Christ, including an apostle, is lying to himself, if he says he is still saved in the light with Christ.

It's a rebuke to the justification by Faith Alone ideology, that James 2 rebukes. Which says, that any believer doing evil, if he have Faith Alone in Christ, he is still walking in the light and justified with Christ.

That's only what Faith Alone Christians say to themselves, not what Jesus Christ says to the churches of God.

 

[Solitude]

Faith with out works is dead ("death faith").

 

[NewLifeInChrist]

Seriously? You think I'm Jesus Christ, because I quote and teach His words?

No. Your statement, "You think I'm Jesus Christ" is evidence against your claim that that you are walking in the light and are free of sin.

If you fall short of the Lord's faith and works, then that's your problem with your Faith Alone without works ideology.

And if you won't repent to do the Lord's faith, then that also your problem with being captive to your own ideology.

These judgemental and accusatory remarks that are based on eroneous assumptions about my beliefs are also evidence that you are not walking in the light and are free of sin.

So, here we see another problem of your Faith Alone justification: You must compel Scripture to say that God says we all must have sin against Him in our hearts. That all men must lust for the world. Lest we be decieved. Decieved about what? About having pure hearts toward God and His Son Jesus Christ, rather than continuing with corrupt hearts of sin?

It does not appear that you understand that the conditional phrase, "If we say that we have no sin" (1 Jn 1:8) is referring to people who deny that their flesh is corrupt beyond repair. These people have deceived themselves into thinking sin is not present with them against the advice of Scripture (see Romans 7 as one example).

2Pe 1:3
Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

How can anyone have sin and lust against God in their hearts, except they have not escaped from lust and corruption of the world? But, if our hearts have been thoroughly purged and made clean by the Spirit and blood of the Lamb of God, then how can we still have sin and lust of the world, lest Scripture is lying about the work of the Spirit by faith in Jesus Christ?

It appears that you do not yet know how to distinguish the new man/divine nature/spirit from the old man/human nature/flesh because you are falsely accusing people of attributing unrighteousness to the new man/divine nature/spirit and have no consciousness that these things are rightly attributable to the old man/human nature/flesh.

 

[NightTwister]

So much for the half-hearted fervor of Faith Alone apart from works.

No one here believes this. Why must you continue to bear false witness?

 

[pinebeach]

Faith with out works is dead ("death faith").

Your first 'work' would be to believe in Jesus and the One who sent Him. He doesn't give a hangnail about your works because you want to add them to the work of Jesus on the cross.

 

[Solitude]

Your first 'work' would be to believe in Jesus and the One who sent Him. He doesn't give a hangnail about your works because you want to add them to the work of Jesus on the cross.

Where do you believe those who die of dead faith go after their death?

 

[pinebeach]

Where do you believe those who die of dead faith go after their death?

What the hee haw is dead faith? Something you made up? Maybe define faith (if you know how) before you call it dead.

Just sayin'

But, getting back to my post, why do constantly talk about your works as though Jesus needs or ever needed yours or anyone's help?
That, would actually be step #1 regarding faith and if you do not see that, you have answered your own question.

 

[NightTwister]

Where do you believe those who die of dead faith go after their death?

Die "of" dead faith? That's not a thing.

 

[Solitude]

Die "of" dead faith? That's not a thing.

Anyone who dies and has dead faith, dies of dead faith.

 

[pinebeach]

 

[NightTwister]

Anyone who dies and has dead faith, dies of dead faith.

Everyone who consumes dihydrogen oxide eventually dies, but that doesn't mean they died "of" it.