THE REQUIREMENTS FOR ETERNAL LIFE ACCORDING TO JESUS
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It's not an insult it's an observation. The fact you can't tell the difference only reflects on you.
I picked them all. You're the one choosing some and rejecting others. There's that log again.
I never talk about sinless perfection. You guys just like to use that to falsely accuse and deflect from having to actually submit to God - that part of salvation that makes Jesus the Lord of a Christian's life, not just their Savior.
Making Jesus your Lord means you are no longer your own and obedience to Him becomes a part of your life with Him. We can't do this on our own, so God sends His Holy Spirit to be with us and help us to fulfill all that God wants of us and conform to Jesus Christ-likeness.
But lets get to the heart of what my previous post is about: God gives His Holy Spirit to those who obey Him. It comes from this verse:
Acts 5:32 We are witnesses of these things, and so is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey him.”
I used to wonder why there are a lot of people who profess salvation in Christ but don't change and obey God, twisting His word to sound like people will be condemned for obeying Him. God gave me this verse. This explained and answered a lot of questions.
Consequently, that verse is followed be this verse:
Acts 5:33 When they heard this, they were furious and wanted to put them to death.
These who wanted to kill Peter were the Pharisees, the religious group! That's why people who encourage obedience to God get falsely accused and experience character assassination,
Since we can't fully obey God without the Holy Spirit, Peter earlier in the book of Acts talks about what obedience he was talking about:
Acts 2:38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
It isn't about the water baptism, but about the repentance and genuine willingness to obey God in carrying out this public declaration. This is God's criteria for giving His Holy Spirit to believers. And He can't be fooled. He knows who wants to genuinely obey Him - He also knows who are just giving Him lip service and won't obey Him.
The verse also says the the Holy Spirit is God's gift - very precious to Him. So He's not going to give Him to anyone who doesn't want to obey Him, who don't want Jesus to be their Lord.
Just, so we are clear here. I see the same as you stated in your post above, different wording reply and well put, thank you.
God trains new as is happening to me too. Father's way through risen Son for me too, thank you
I am not righteous, yet I am righteous, not from my view, God Father's view, thanks to the done work of Son for us all 1 John 2:1-27. Wow, Isaiah 6:1-7
There are many people that do copycatting as Satan did in the first testament, which fooled many under Law, before Satan was defeated in the risen Son. Now, for us each person to believe, God loves us all so much, Son took our deserved death place, in his one time willing death. Gives his righteous life to us each to work through us as led by God Father, the Holy Spirit, which did Jesus first, for us to get it and relax in rest trust to Father, it is done by Son for us to be new in Love, mercy and truth of God for us all, at least me.
For each in belief to begin new, to see in thanksgiving and praise to God Father thanks to Son, Psalm 103:12, John 19:30 once one agrees, it is done, then one anyone begins new in truth given them from God through them. Each person is in different stages of growth. Hebrews 5:12-6:20, Hebrews 4:9-13, Matt 10:16-20
So, with Jesus's new Law Hebrews 7:11-12 in place, is God Father's Love gift of Father's Holy Spirit given Anyone that sincerely believes God to see new, God reveals this Romans 8:15-16 to each personally. Then anyone responds accordingly to it willingly or uses it for self gain here on earth. Those that are sincere in belief to God, see new to the point of death willingly, physically, the same as Jesus did first, once for us all. Not my will Father, your will be done and off Jesus went, without a flesh fight back, amazing isn't that? Then risen where new life from Father is the gift given. Those that get this revealed to them, respond, not creating anything anymore. These, just love in God's mercy and truth to all.
Thanks as it is so easy to not understand each other. \standing in trust to God to reveal as needed to.
For me it is all God Father and Son as Won to be thankful to this love and mercy given us to give to all in order as Father leads in Daddy's Holy Spirit, thanks
Comment:
During my over 8 decades of life I have learned what Christ meant when He stated " there is not one good -- no not ONE!"
what Vassal included above, spoken by the Son of God, and after Christ's baptism, the Father said "listen to Him"
yet many on the blog will not listen--- they run to Paul, who they believe has given them a get out of jail for free card. Sorry, no such card
DO - "DOING" the will of THE FATHER -- that requires action and Christ did not say --- do what you hope Paul is saying.
Do I expect any to think, to rethink, to prove what they have been told by church leaders --Nope!
In the Word, the ONLY Word of God, we are instructed to do the will of the Father --- I have heard some of the most creatives way to get around the will of the Father on this blog.
When that day and that hour of sudden destruction comes and it is coming --- THE MANY will say "WHY ME'
remember the above.
Ok, now rip me and the above apart
Yes, Christ will be called great because He kept them! The rest of us must mourn the fact that we cannot do so in ourselves. We are in constant need of forgiveness . . .
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Undergrace1
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Who truly believes they have a get out of jail free card? The people Ive always found who most flagrantly transgress the TC are those who keep insisting they must be obeyed.
God writes His commands or laws in our hearts and then gives His Holy Spirit to us so we're able to obey and fulfill them.
But according to you God will condemn us for carrying them out.
Think about it.
It's really pointless trying to discuss anything with you since you claim that some of scripture is not inspired. There's no common foundation for discussion. The inerrancy of scripture is an essential Christian doctrine. Your view is unorthodox which puts you outside the Christian camp.
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Undergrace1
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When did I say God will condemn us for obedience?God writes His commands or laws in our hearts and then gives His Holy Spirit to us so we're able to obey and fulfill them.
But according to you God will condemn us for carrying them out.
Think about it.
Why is it so easy for you to bear false witness?
I would have a conscience if I casually acted like that
So who truly wants a get out of jail free card here?
Now I agree, God writes his applicable laws in the minds and places them on the hearts of believers under the core terms of the NC. So its remarkable, many do not know in their minds what has been placed there. They only have a watered down conviction of what obedience to the TC entails
those that are insistence, the Torah and the Commandment have been abolishes keep saying they are under "Grace" meaning --- they are accepted "just as they are". nothing more is required, no conditions, say a few words and its a done deal forever.. that is not what Christ Taught.
I view Grace as a get out of jail for free, no cost no bail, just walk out.
I agree some talk a good game but do not walk the walk..
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Undergrace1
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Well law as we all understand law to mean has been abolished, for that law comes in two parts, what is written in the law and the penalty for transgression. Jesus died to pay our pentalty of transgression our sin. So, all that is left is what is holy, just and good(Rom7:12) that is not abolished, it has been transferred to an internal law, written in the minds and placed on the hearts of believers under the core terms of the NC
Speaking for myself, I cannot be in ignorance of law placed in my most inward parts. So, I am amazed, people who keep insisting you must obey the TC only appear to have a limited understanding of what is required in that law for obedience, they do not understand the pristene level that law is set at. Maybe they just want a licence to sin, who knows
You said that those who obey God's TC flagrantly transgress. If God went to all the trouble of writing them on our hearts AND giving us the Holy Spirit, why would God think we have flagrantly transgressed if we follow through and obey Him on them???
How can our obedience of what God wrote in our hearts and empowered by the Holy Spirit be watered down?
You don't know what you're talk8ng about.
Being chosen in eternity past is a done deal forever! There is no un-choosing, God has drawn us to Him. . . .
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Undergrace1
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Don't I know what Im talking about. Lets take the TCYou said that those who obey God's TC flagrantly transgress. If God went to all the trouble of writing them on our hearts AND giving us the Holy Spirit, why would God think we have flagrantly transgressed if we follow through and obey Him on them???
How can our obedience of what God wrote in our hearts and empowered by the Holy Spirit be watered down?
You don't know what you're talk8ng about.
Every time you dwell on an impure thought do you get on your knees and tell God you are sorry for transgressing those laws?
Every time you desire anything of your neighbours, whether material goods or a member of their household, do you get on your knees and tell God you are sorry for transgressing the TC?
If you ever have lust/sexual desire for anyone apart from your spouse, do you get on your knees and tell God you are sorry for transgressing the TC?
Every time you desire in your thoughts anything that is not yours to have do you get on your knees and tell God you are sorry for transgressing the TC?
That is just one commandment, I can go on to others if you wish
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Undergrace1
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We could add to that, anyone who insists you must obey the TC to remain saved, will need to fully obey them themselves:
The measure you use to judge others will be used to judge you Matt7:2
I agree! Christ came to save sinners, not those who believe that they are somehow righteous in themselves.
night let me run something by you..
for those that believe Paul Taught the Law i.e. the Torah was abolished,
lets look at this from another view point.
If you were very successful in some career, becoming wealthy and had sons and daughters.
As you grew older and wanting to pass on you wealth, You must take a hard look at your children.
Which, if any, could you trust to protect and even grow that wealth?
This is the same question the Father must determine of us.
The Father is not going to turn over “power” and eternal life to anyone He cannot trust— and has not proven they can be trusted to do and to follow the same Way of life the Father and Jesus Christ have lived for eternity?
Living by the same set of rules and standards They live by.
if you do not understand or accept this is fact – don’t bother reading further.
Why would you, as a father, turn over anything of value to a son or daughter that had no self-control, no morals, spent every dollar they could get their hands on and caused problems for the entire family?
Our Father has set before us a Perfect WAY.
“A hebraic definition of Torah is:
"a set of Instructions, from a father to his children, violation of these instructions are disciplined in order to foster obedience and train his children".
The entirety of God’s Word encourages, ask for, and demands our obedience.
Is it not written Christ obeyed perfectly? Why would our Father not expect the same for the rest of HIS Children?