The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?

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memberofthebride said:
God IS "ONE" there is only ONE LAW - ONE WAY,, and all better hope God obeys HIS own Law, HIS 10 Commandments, if He did not, I doubt there would be one human alive today --- and rightfully so! There is not one good --- no not one!

Just look around the US and the whole world today --- absolutely lawless and the pain, suffering and death is growing exponentially -- yet there are many that hate and despise the Torah??? get ready for more pain!
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I'm been much much worse previously.
 
ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
Love of God is believing and trusting his words. When we hearken to and do this command, then commandments 1-4 have been obeyed.

Love of man is not doing harm to our fellow man and treating them like we want to be treated. When we hearken to and do these two commands, then commandments 5-10 have been obeyed.

That's how it works. Follow the spirit's command to believe God and love man, and the 10 commandments aren't transgressed because the righteousness demanded by the 10 commandments isn't transgressed when those 2 things are the righteousness the 10 commandments demand.
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There is a point, an important one that almost everyone forgets about the Sabbath as God ordained it, ill just point to exodus 16;

Exo 16:4 Then the LORD said to Moses, “Behold, I will rain down bread from heaven for you. Each day the people are to go out and gather enough for that day. In this way I will test whether or not they will follow My instructions.

it is best to read the whole chapter for proper context and understanding. Also this verse Shows these people out of Egypt Knew about the Sabbath before it was given to Moses on Mount Sinai.

The seventh-day Sabbath stands inside the Ten Commandments, which God declared to be His covenant, and He Himself said that He added no more to it (Deuteronomy 5:22). It is separate from the Law of Moses, and God Himself says these commandments are the covenant He made with His people. He spoke them with His own voice, wrote them with His own finger, and placed them at the center of His law. The Scriptures make this plain. God declared that He “made known His covenant” and “wrote on two tablets of stone the Ten Commandments” (Deuteronomy 4:13). The same truth is repeated when it says the Ten Commandments were “the words of the covenant” (Exodus 34:28), given to Moses when he stayed on the mountain (Deuteronomy 9:9), until the Lord handed him “the tablets of the covenant” (Deuteronomy 9:11), and again when Moses came down the mountain holding “the two tablets of the covenant” (Deuteronomy 9:15). This shows that the Ten Commandments are not separate from the covenant—they are the covenant God Himself confirmed. Therefore, the seventh-day Sabbath, being one of these commandments, stands inside God’s covenant and not outside of it.

The part many people miss is that the Sabbath is also a test from God, and it was given to show that the Lord Himself will provide. In Exodus 16, before Sinai, God said He would use the seventh day to test His people and see if they would follow His word. This is why manna came for six days, but none fell on the seventh day. God gave extra manna on the sixth day so they would have enough for the Sabbath. The extra portion spoiled on every other day, yet it stayed fresh on the Sabbath only. This miracle was God’s way of saying, “Trust Me. I will take care of you.” When some went out on the seventh day to gather manna, God said, “How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?” (Exodus 16:28). This shows the Sabbath is not only a command; it is a test of loyalty and a lesson that God Himself is our Provider.

This same truth appears throughout Scripture. God teaches that obedience shows love and faithfulness. “Ye shall walk after the Lord your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice” (Deuteronomy 13:4). The Sabbath is one of these commandments, given with the same authority and care. God also promised that blessing follows those who keep His ways. “Oh that they had such a heart in them, that they would fear me, and keep all my commandments always, that it might be well with them” (Deuteronomy 5:29). The psalm writer adds, “The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom; a good understanding have all they that do his commandments” (Psalm 111:10).

Jesus also made this clear when He taught that obedience comes from the heart. He said, “If ye love me, ye will keep my commandments” (John 14:15). He also said the wise person is the one who hears His words and does them (Matthew 7:24). This applies to every command that comes from God, not only the ones that seem easy. Jesus Himself trusted the Father completely, showing us that true faith rests in God’s care.

So the Sabbath stands as a day of rest, a sign of God’s covenant, a weekly test of our faithfulness, and a reminder that the Lord Himself provides. Each Sabbath teaches us to trust His word, depend on His care, and follow Him with a willing and faithful heart.
 
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TMS said:
Read the 10 commandments and ask yourself, have they really served their purpose?

If the principles are the same today they have not changed.

Rom 13:9-10
9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

God's principles of love do not change.
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So, Paul wrote to Timothy:

"But we know that the law is good if one uses it lawfully, 9 knowing this: that the law is not made for a righteous person, but for the lawless and insubordinate, for the ungodly and for sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 10 for fornicators, for sodomites, for kidnappers, for liars, for perjurers, and if there is any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine..."

To recap: the law is made for...
1. the lawless and insubordinate
2. the ungodly and sinners
3. the unholy and profane
4. murderer of father and mothers
5. manslayers
6. fornicators
7. sodomites
8. kidnappers
9. liars
10. perjurers
11. anyone continuing in behavior contrary to sound doctrine

So, TMS, of the eleven categories, which one do you fall into?
 
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vassal said:
The seventh-day Sabbath stands inside the Ten Commandments, which God declared to be His covenant, and He Himself said that He added no more to it (Deuteronomy 5:22). It is separate from the Law of Moses, and God Himself says these commandments are the covenant He made with His people. He spoke them with His own voice, wrote them with His own finger, and placed them at the center of His law. The Scriptures make this plain. God declared that He “made known His covenant” and “wrote on two tablets of stone the Ten Commandments” (Deuteronomy 4:13). The same truth is repeated when it says the Ten Commandments were “the words of the covenant” (Exodus 34:28), given to Moses when he stayed on the mountain (Deuteronomy 9:9), until the Lord handed him “the tablets of the covenant” (Deuteronomy 9:11), and again when Moses came down the mountain holding “the two tablets of the covenant” (Deuteronomy 9:15). This shows that the Ten Commandments are not separate from the covenant—they are the covenant God Himself confirmed. Therefore, the seventh-day Sabbath, being one of these commandments, stands inside God’s covenant and not outside of it.
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But that covenant is not our covenant
 
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vassal said:
The part many people miss is that the Sabbath is also a test from God, and it was given to show that the Lord Himself will provide. In Exodus 16, before Sinai, God said He would use the seventh day to test His people and see if they would follow His word. This is why manna came for six days, but none fell on the seventh day. God gave extra manna on the sixth day so they would have enough for the Sabbath. The extra portion spoiled on every other day, yet it stayed fresh on the Sabbath only. This miracle was God’s way of saying, “Trust Me. I will take care of you.” When some went out on the seventh day to gather manna, God said, “How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?” (Exodus 16:28). This shows the Sabbath is not only a command; it is a test of loyalty and a lesson that God Himself is our Provider.
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God later said the purpose of the sabbath was not to test them, but to be a sign for them to know that God was sanctifying them.
 
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ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
But that covenant is not our covenant
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Nor was it the covenant of anyone (like Abraham and the patriarchs) who came before Sinai.

"Hear, Israel, the decrees and laws I declare in your hearing today. Learn them and be sure to follow them. 2 The Lord our God made a covenant with us at Horeb. 3 It was not with our ancestors that the Lord made this covenant, but with us, with all of us who are alive here today."
 
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ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
Agree. In the vast majority of human history faith was the norm. The dispensation of law was a parenthetical exception.
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Yes! This is so black and white it would take a cult to ignore it:

What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions,

Until when? We should keep reading...


till the Seed (this is Christ) should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator.

If we follow the law, we testify, in our lives, that we believe that the Seed has not come.
 
@ChristRoseFromTheDead I wrote about the condition of the faithful priesthood, the one that administrated the words of God in the earth before Sinai, back in August:

Melchizedek represented the eternal priesthood.

And here were more priests of that order at Sinai before the law was given:

Exodus 19:22 “Also let the priests who come near the LORD consecrate themselves, lest the LORD break out against them.”

Exodus 19:24 "Then the LORD said to him, “Away! Get down and then come up, you and Aaron with you. But do not let the priests and the people break through to come up to the LORD, lest He break out against them.”

The administration of the priests was simple: "Hear the Lord and do what He says". This was the condition at Sinai:

This was the message from God to the people at Sinai: "‘Now therefore, if you will indeed obey My voice and keep My covenant, then you shall be a special treasure to Me above all people; for all the earth is Mine."

This is the exact administration Jesus restored as the High Priest of the order of Melchizedek:

"“Most assuredly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, but what He sees the Father do; for whatever He does, the Son also does in like manner. For the Father loves the Son, and shows Him all things that He Himself does; and He will show Him greater works than these, that you may marvel."

And also:

"But He answered and said, “It is written, 'Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God."

This order was actually seen at the beginning of creation: God said, the Son responded, and the Spirit ordered creation.

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. 3All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made."

But here is the kicker, this is very important: by believing God, Abram was administrating like a priest according to Melchizedek.

This should not be a surprise, the promise of priesthood was available at Sinai. The people only had to do what God said:

This is Exodus 19:5 (with my comments in ( ): "Now therefore, if you will indeed obey My voice and keep My covenant (administration of the priesthood), then you shall be a special treasure to Me above all people; for all the earth is Mine. And you shall be to Me a kingdom of priests (there it is) and a holy nation.’ These are the words which you shall speak to the children of Israel.”

Did Israel become a holy nation? No.
Who did?

This is Peter speaking to Gentiles about the New Covenant in Christ's blood:

"But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God’s special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light."

Some might say "Peter was speaking to Jews." No. The next verse is this:

"Once you were not a people, but now you are the people of God; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy."

The Jews were made a specific people in the Old Testament. Besides, Peter is writing to the saints in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia and Bithynia. It is widely understood that these were primarily Gentile believers.

The point: The priesthood existed in Christ from the foundation of the world. Melchizedek and others represented that priesthood in their day. The Law was added 430 years after the promises were given to Abraham and then the Levites, only 1 tribe in 12, became the priests. Yet, it was always God's plan to have a kingdom of priests and a holy nation in the earth.

Paul addresses this:

"Now to Abraham and his Seed (remember this is Christ) were the promises made. He does not say, “And to seeds,” as of many, but as of one, “And to your Seed,” who is Christ. And this I say, that the law, which was four hundred and thirty years later, cannot annul the covenant that was confirmed before by God in Christ, that it should make the promise of no effect.

The cost of that covenant, the covenant that the priests of Melchizedek and Jesus administered, was Christ's death, which was paid in eternity from the foundation of the world.

The priesthood of Melchizedek has been active from the foundation of the world. The Law, given in time and space and added because of transgressions, cannot annul the eternal priesthood, nor the covenant they administrate, secured by the sacrifice of Christ.
 
What is the law until the Seed came.

Lets let Scripture interpret Scripture


Dan 9:27 Then he shall confirm a [a]covenant with many for one week;
But in the middle of the week
He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.
And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate,
Even until the consummation, which is determined,
Is poured out on the [b]desolate.”

Animal sacrifices that were in the law of Moses is what Jesus came to put an end to as they pointed to Jesus and His Great Sacrifice

Heb 10:1 For the law, having a shadow of the good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with these same sacrifices, which they offer continually year by year, make those who approach perfect. 2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? For the worshipers, once [a]purified, would have had no more consciousness of sins. 3 But in those sacrifices there is a reminder of sins every year. 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins.

5 Therefore, when He came into the world, He said:

“Sacrifice and offering You did not desire,
But a body You have prepared for Me.
6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin
You had no pleasure.
7 Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come—
In the volume of the book it is written of Me—
To do Your will, O God.’ ”
8 Previously saying, “Sacrifice and offering, burnt offerings, and offerings for sin You did not desire, nor had pleasure in them” (which are offered according to the law), 9 then He said, “Behold, I have come to do Your will, [b]O God.” He takes away the first that He may establish the second. 10 By that will we have been [c]sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

God came to magnify another law- which means make greater not lessor

Isa 42:21 The Lord is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.

Jesus never came to end the law of God that sits under His mercy seat the commandments to only worship God or steal from our neighbor. He came to magnify them by placing them in our hearts and minds Heb8:10 telling us plainly not to break or teach others to break the least of these commandments Mat5:19 and showed really what it means to keep them relating feelings and thoughts of anger that lead to breaking the commandment of thou shalt not murder and feelings of lusts that leads to breaking the commandment of thou shalt not commit adultery. The Bible very plainly explains itself, if we allow it to. Making it say something it doesn't will only hurt those who teach and follow this teaching as they end up in a ditch according to Jesus Mat 15:3-14 instead of the narrow path back to reconciliation Rev 14:12 Rev22:14KJV
 
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ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
But that covenant is not our covenant
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Even today, the Sinai covenant—the Ten Commandments—remains fully valid because God Himself declared it His covenant and added no more (Deuteronomy 5:22). The covenant was never about a people, place, or time alone; it is God’s eternal law, confirmed by His own voice, written on stone, and blessed as the standard for His people (Deuteronomy 4:13, Exodus 34:28). God reinforced its permanence by promising to write His law in the hearts of His people (Jeremiah 31:31-34) and sending the Holy Spirit to guide and empower those who love Him (John 14:26, Acts 1:8).

Jesus Himself confirmed that the law is binding forever: “Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled” (Matthew 5:17-18). The Sinai covenant, including the seventh-day Sabbath, is not obsolete; it remains God’s covenant today, a sign of obedience, faith, and trust in His provision. Let us also remember that Jesus sent His disciples to teach all He commanded to every nation (Matthew 28:19-20), showing that following God’s commandments is for all people in every generation.
ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
God later said the purpose of the sabbath was not to test them, but to be a sign for them to know that God was sanctifying them.
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It is true that the Sabbath is a sign, but it was also a test, and these two purposes work together. God gave the Sabbath before Sinai, as we see in Exodus 16, to see if the Israelites would trust Him and obey His instructions (Exodus 16:4,26-28). At the same time, it points forward as a sign that He sanctifies His people (Exodus 31:13-17). The Sabbath shows God’s provision, His blessing, and His authority, and it calls His people to obedience from the heart. Being a sign of sanctification does not remove the testing purpose—it proves whether His people walk in faith and trust in Him.

Let us not forget that our Father in Heaven Himself said: “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy” (Exodus 20:8), and He attached a blessing to it: “Wherefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day, and hallowed it” (Exodus 20:11). The Sabbath is a gift of rest, a sign of trust in God’s provision, and a time to honor Him.
 
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vassal said:
There is a point, an important one that almost everyone forgets about the Sabbath as God ordained it, ill just point to exodus 16;

Exo 16:4 Then the LORD said to Moses, “Behold, I will rain down bread from heaven for you. Each day the people are to go out and gather enough for that day. In this way I will test whether or not they will follow My instructions.

it is best to read the whole chapter for proper context and understanding. Also this verse Shows these people out of Egypt Knew about the Sabbath before it was given to Moses on Mount Sinai.

The seventh-day Sabbath stands inside the Ten Commandments, which God declared to be His covenant, and He Himself said that He added no more to it (Deuteronomy 5:22). It is separate from the Law of Moses, and God Himself says these commandments are the covenant He made with His people. He spoke them with His own voice, wrote them with His own finger, and placed them at the center of His law. The Scriptures make this plain. God declared that He “made known His covenant” and “wrote on two tablets of stone the Ten Commandments” (Deuteronomy 4:13). The same truth is repeated when it says the Ten Commandments were “the words of the covenant” (Exodus 34:28), given to Moses when he stayed on the mountain (Deuteronomy 9:9), until the Lord handed him “the tablets of the covenant” (Deuteronomy 9:11), and again when Moses came down the mountain holding “the two tablets of the covenant” (Deuteronomy 9:15). This shows that the Ten Commandments are not separate from the covenant—they are the covenant God Himself confirmed. Therefore, the seventh-day Sabbath, being one of these commandments, stands inside God’s covenant and not outside of it.

The part many people miss is that the Sabbath is also a test from God, and it was given to show that the Lord Himself will provide. In Exodus 16, before Sinai, God said He would use the seventh day to test His people and see if they would follow His word. This is why manna came for six days, but none fell on the seventh day. God gave extra manna on the sixth day so they would have enough for the Sabbath. The extra portion spoiled on every other day, yet it stayed fresh on the Sabbath only. This miracle was God’s way of saying, “Trust Me. I will take care of you.” When some went out on the seventh day to gather manna, God said, “How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?” (Exodus 16:28). This shows the Sabbath is not only a command; it is a test of loyalty and a lesson that God Himself is our Provider.

This same truth appears throughout Scripture. God teaches that obedience shows love and faithfulness. “Ye shall walk after the Lord your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice” (Deuteronomy 13:4). The Sabbath is one of these commandments, given with the same authority and care. God also promised that blessing follows those who keep His ways. “Oh that they had such a heart in them, that they would fear me, and keep all my commandments always, that it might be well with them” (Deuteronomy 5:29). The psalm writer adds, “The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom; a good understanding have all they that do his commandments” (Psalm 111:10).

Jesus also made this clear when He taught that obedience comes from the heart. He said, “If ye love me, ye will keep my commandments” (John 14:15). He also said the wise person is the one who hears His words and does them (Matthew 7:24). This applies to every command that comes from God, not only the ones that seem easy. Jesus Himself trusted the Father completely, showing us that true faith rests in God’s care.

So the Sabbath stands as a day of rest, a sign of God’s covenant, a weekly test of our faithfulness, and a reminder that the Lord Himself provides. Each Sabbath teaches us to trust His word, depend on His care, and follow Him with a willing and faithful heart.
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May I add, the Torah was from the beginning and the 10 Commandments are In the Torah.
the Torah is the WORD of God and the Word of God i.e. the Torah was included in the Covenant as the "consideration" in real estate contracts today the Consideration is the purchase price. The price you pay to buy a house.

the consideration is Israel's "must do" to receive the promises of God. they agreed to obey, which they did not live up to, thus --- no promises.
 
vassal said:
Even today, the Sinai covenant—the Ten Commandments—remains fully valid because God Himself declared it His covenant and added no more (Deuteronomy 5:22). The covenant was never about a people, place, or time alone; it is God’s eternal law, confirmed by His own voice, written on stone, and blessed as the standard for His people (Deuteronomy 4:13, Exodus 34:28). God reinforced its permanence by promising to write His law in the hearts of His people (Jeremiah 31:31-34) and sending the Holy Spirit to guide and empower those who love Him (John 14:26, Acts 1:8).
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This is incorrect in several ways.

The Sinai and Moab covenants were made with Israel alone. The Sinai covenant was broken; when a contract is broken it's no longer in force; a new contract has to be made. That was the Moab covenant that was tied specifically to the land of Israel. Anyone in the world could have joined that covenant by becoming circumcised and keeping the law written by Moses on scrolls.

The new covenant, which replaced the old covenant, was with Israel alone. Anyone in the world can join that covenant by becoming spiritually circumcised and keeping the law of Christ written by the spirit in our hearts
 
SabbathBlessing said:
The Ten Commandments is not the law of Moses- not sure where you are getting that from. God claimed this unit of Ten Deut4:13 as His commandments Exo20:6 - written by God Exo31:18, not Moses. They have God's name in each of the commandments that pertain to loving Him, not Moses. Exo20:1-11 They are in the ark of God Exo40:20 not Moses. Moses did not take credit for them in any way and he was there Exo32:16. Moses wrote a different law, in a book placed besides the Ten Commandments Deut 31:24-26 The Ten Commandments were included in the law of Moses because all of God's people keep God's commandments Rev14:12 His version, not what man tried edited. Dan7:25 The Ten Commandments are shown in principle before Moses because they belong to God and God is eternal.
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I see you have trouble with idioms. The phrase, “the Mosaic law” does not mean Moses is the originator of the law. It means everything spoken to Israel THROUGH Moses.
 
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SabbathBlessing said:
But are we keeping them based on how God told us to, or what we have replaced them with what we think and feel instead, that we know better than the God who wrote them.
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So… what did God tell you regarding how to keep the Sabbath?

All of it, please.

Then tell us how which parts of it you aren’t “keeping. No excuses as to why.
 
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