The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?

[HigherGospel]

Are you saying that you have not been reconciled to God.

No, he's saying as Christians the Holy Spirit will convict us of our sin if were are doing anything sinful so we can repent and confess out sin in order to be cleansed of our sin.

If you sin, you refuse to forsake and confess your sin so you can be cleansed?

If not you are in the hook for any sins you have committed after having been born again.

Proverbs 28:13
He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.

1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

If one follows the false doctrine that all future sins have already been washed away and there is no need to repent and confess out sins to the Lord to be cleansed, that is mocking God according to Gal 6:7,8

Galatians 6:7-8 (see Gen 8:22)
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

If one claims we DO reap corruption when we sin, then they are admitting they do not believe OSAS / Eternal security doctrine (and sadly many of their friends will forsake them!).... and if one claims we DO NOT reap what we sow, then according to Gal 6:7, that would be mocking God!

This is quite the quandary, quite the state of uncertainty and perplexity and befuddlement for the adherents of OSAS heretical doctrine.

 

[Inquisitor]

Jesus shows that moral law existed from the beginning, not starting at Sinai. When He answered the Pharisees about marriage, He did not introduce a new rule. He took them back to creation and said, “From the beginning it hath not been so” (Matthew 19:8 ASV). Jesus was teaching that God’s way, God’s order, and God’s expectations were already set at creation. He did not say the standard started with Moses. He said it started “from the beginning.”
To make this even clearer, the creation story itself shows moral law existed before Adam and Eve sinned. God commanded Adam, “Of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat” (Genesis 2:17 ASV). A command is a moral standard. Obedience and disobedience only exist where moral law is already present. And when they broke this command, God judged them. Judgment proves a standard. You cannot judge without law.
We also see moral law in how God expected Adam to live before the fall. God told him to “keep” the garden (Genesis 2:15). The Hebrew meaning includes watch, guard, take care. These are moral duties. They existed before sin entered the world.
Then comes Cain. God told him, “If thou doest well, shall it not be lifted up? and if thou doest not well, sin croucheth at the door” (Genesis 4:7 ASV). God uses the word “sin” long before Sinai. Sin means breaking God’s will. This shows that right and wrong, obedience and disobedience, were known from the earliest days of humanity.
Even the story of Noah proves the same truth. Before the flood, God said the people were filled with “violence” (Genesis 6:11). Violence is wrong only if there is a moral law defining it as wrong. Noah, on the other hand, was “a righteous man” (Genesis 6:9). You cannot be called righteous unless God’s standard already exists.
All these things stand together with Jesus’ words. When He said “from the beginning,” He was reminding us that God’s way has never changed. God’s character does not begin at Sinai. His moral will was present in creation, active in Eden, spoken to Cain, and used to judge the world in Noah’s day.

The claim “there was no moral law in the creation template” is not true. From the beginning, God gave commands, judged disobedience, and praised righteousness. Jesus confirms it. The whole early Genesis history confirms it. Moral law was there from the first breath of human life.

GOD was with Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden from creation and spoke to them!

Incorrect vassal.

Love is the fundamental nature of God.

Everything God does is by love including the creation.

For God so loved the world...

When love of others exists there is no law that condemns.

Romans 13:8-10
Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others
has fulfilled the law. The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,”
“You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,” and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in
this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” Love does no harm to a neighbor.
Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

This is an elementary revelation.

The Holy Spirit pours love of others into your heart.

You are in debt to God to love others!

 

[Inquisitor]

No, he's saying as Christians the Holy Spirit will convict us of our sin if were are doing anything sinful so we can repent and confess out sin in order to be cleansed of our sin.

If you sin, you refuse to forsake and confess your sin so you can be cleansed?

If not you are in the hook for any sins you have committed after having been born again.

Proverbs 28:13
He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.

1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

If one follows the false doctrine that all future sins have already been washed away and there is no need to repent and confess out sins to the Lord to be cleansed, that is mocking God according to Gal 6:7,8

Galatians 6:7-8 (see Gen 8:22)
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

If one claims we DO reap corruption when we sin, then they are admitting they do not believe OSAS / Eternal security doctrine (and sadly many of their friends will forsake them!).... and if one claims we DO NOT reap what we sow, then according to Gal 6:7, that would be mocking God!

This is quite the quandary, quite the state of uncertainty and perplexity and befuddlement for the adherents of OSAS heretical doctrine.

I never said that someone should should not confess if they sin.

But in Christ you cannot sin.

1 John 3:9
No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

You grossly under estimate the power of the Holy Spirit to transform us into the image of Jesus.

Who cares about OSAS, Calvinism, Catholicism, or any other ...ism.

 

[Inquisitor]

No, he's saying as Christians the Holy Spirit will convict us of our sin if were are doing anything sinful so we can repent and confess out sin in order to be cleansed of our sin.

If you sin, you refuse to forsake and confess your sin so you can be cleansed?

If not you are in the hook for any sins you have committed after having been born again.

Proverbs 28:13
He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.

1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

If one follows the false doctrine that all future sins have already been washed away and there is no need to repent and confess out sins to the Lord to be cleansed, that is mocking God according to Gal 6:7,8

Galatians 6:7-8 (see Gen 8:22)
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

If one claims we DO reap corruption when we sin, then they are admitting they do not believe OSAS / Eternal security doctrine (and sadly many of their friends will forsake them!).... and if one claims we DO NOT reap what we sow, then according to Gal 6:7, that would be mocking God!

This is quite the quandary, quite the state of uncertainty and perplexity and befuddlement for the adherents of OSAS heretical doctrine.

I doubt anyone could repent of their sin because they. more than likely. do not understand the depth of their sin.

Here is a list of behaviors or the acts of the flesh.

Galatians 5:19-21
The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft;
hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies,
and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

You can add the love of money, loving the world, not feeding the poor, not bearing the burden of others.

If your repentance is not accurate are you then missing out on heaven?

Is your Christian life simply spending the day repenting of your sin?

Or is your life following the commandment to love others.

I found through experience that trying to love others is the best way to expose your own selfishness.

Selfishness is the polar opposite of love.

Loving others is impossible and that is what will bring you to your knees.

 

[BillyBob]

If not you are in the hook for any sins you have committed after having been born again.

I agree with many of your thoughts, but I am in the OSAS camp, so I disagree when you say:
“If not you are in the hook for any sins you have committed after having been born again”.

I believe we are forgiven past/present/future. We are not saved one moment and un-saved the next.
That would sure play havoc with the ability to have any kind of assurance. Perhaps we lose blessings in some way, but we remain saved.
After all, who could even remember each and every one!

 

[Aaron56]

GOD was with Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden from creation and spoke to them!

When dealing with the reconciliation of the world to God you cannot start with Adam and Eve.
They are not our standard of relationship to the Father.
Christ, Who is the Son, was with the Father at the beginning. All creation came through Him.

What your doctrine claims is that The Word of God needed a list of rules to follow to honor God. How absurd. He, Himself, was the perfect image of God the Father from the beginning. No list of rules was needed. Only love. This love is such a love that the one prefers the other over themselves.

 

[HigherGospel]

But in Christ you cannot sin.

Your claim it's it's not possible to sin after one gets born again?
You believe the false doctrine of the gnostics who claimed their body sins but they do not

If so, then you also claim 1 John 1:9 is a lie?

We know Christians can actually sin after getting born again because the Lord put warnings in His Word about it:

Hebrews 3:12
Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.

1 Timothy 4:1,2
Now the Spirit speaks expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron

2 Timothy 2:12
If we deny Him, He also will deny us

Romans 6:16
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

1 John 1:6
If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

James 1:22
But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

Romans 8:13
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
(NOT in our own strength - see Philippians 4:13)

1 Peter 1:14-17
As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:
But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;
Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.
And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:

John 15:2
Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.

Matthew 7:16-21
Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Hebrews 10:28-31
He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

2 Corinthians 13:5
Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

If OSAS was actually true, the Lord wouldn't be saying what He says in 2 Corinthians 13:5 and these other scriptures wouldn't even be in God's Word!

You grossly under estimate the power of the Holy Spirit to transform us into the image of Jesus.

You grossly reject the whole counsel of God and the leading of the Holy Spirit in to ALL Truth

Jesus said the Holy Ghost would lead us in to ALL Truth (John 16:13),
and Jesus said God's Word IS Truth (John 17:17)

I doubt anyone could repent of their sin because they. more than likely. do not understand the depth of their sin.

2 Timothy 2:24-26
And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,
In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

You really need to get to know the Word of the Lord one of these days

If your repentance is not accurate are you then missing out on heaven?

I won't be missing out on Heaven, but those teaching heresy will unless they REPENT and stop teaching / following heresy

Is your Christian life simply spending the day repenting of your sin?

Yours should be seeing to espouse heretical OSAS doctrine

Or is your life following the commandment to love others.

If I did not love others I certainly would be warning them to depart from false doctrine such as OSAS that leads people to hell.

I found through experience that trying to love others is the best way to expose your own selfishness.

Well you are certainly a selfish person by peddling OSAS heresy

Selfishness is the polar opposite of love.

Peddling OSAS heresy is the opposite of love so you should REPENT

Loving others is impossible and that is what will bring you to your knees.

You grossly under estimate the power of the Holy Spirit to transform us into the image of Jesus.

I believe we are forgiven past/present/future.

OK so you admit that you believe when one sows to the flesh (sins) they do not reap corruption as we see in Gal 6:7,8

That would be mocking God.

And claiming our future sins are already forgiven causes many to stumble believing they can continue living in sin and it's all good because God has washed away all future sins

If one follows the false doctrine that all future sins have already been washed away and there is no need to repent and confess out sins to the Lord to be cleansed, that is mocking God according to Gal 6:7,8

Galatians 6:7-8 (see Gen 8:22)
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
You wouldn't want to mock God would ya???

If it were actually true that all of our future sins were already forgiven even before we commit than as some supposed then Christians could actually continue living in sin and still be saved

This false doctrine is exactly WHY so many today get born again and then continue living in sin and in the end they will go to hell

So the doctrine you espouse is sending people to hell.

You might want to start accepting the whole counsel of God instead of just bits and pieces of what the Lord teaches in His Word.

 

[Inquisitor]

I agree with many of your thoughts, but I am in the OSAS camp, so I disagree when you say:
“If not you are in the hook for any sins you have committed after having been born again”.

I believe we are forgiven past/present/future. We are not saved one moment and un-saved the next.
That would sure play havoc with the ability to have any kind of assurance. Perhaps we lose blessings in some way, but we remain saved.
After all, who could even remember each and every one!

Obviously BB, we are 100% reconciled, which means saved.

This also means that Jesus will not take our sin into account when He returns.

John 3:18
He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not
believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Jesus returns to collect His people and this is not about judging Christians for their sin.

Jesus arrived the first time to atone for all our sin.

The debt is fully paid by Jesus not me.

 

[HigherGospel]

Obviously BB, we are 100% reconciled, which means saved.

This also means that Jesus will not take our sin into account when He returns.

So we can go ahead and live in sin, living for the devil and we're still saved???

Heresy you are referring to is exactly why so many get born again and then go back to living in sin.

 

[Inquisitor]

Your claim it's it's not possible to sin after one gets born again?
You believe the false doctrine of the gnostics who claimed their body sins but they do not

If so, then you also claim 1 John 1:9 is a lie?

We know Christians can actually sin after getting born again because the Lord put warnings in His Word about it:

Hebrews 3:12
Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.

1 Timothy 4:1,2
Now the Spirit speaks expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron

2 Timothy 2:12
If we deny Him, He also will deny us

Romans 6:16
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

1 John 1:6
If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

James 1:22
But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

Romans 8:13
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
(NOT in our own strength - see Philippians 4:13)

1 Peter 1:14-17
As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:
But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;
Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.
And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:

John 15:2
Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.

Matthew 7:16-21
Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Hebrews 10:28-31
He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

2 Corinthians 13:5
Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

If OSAS was actually true, the Lord wouldn't be saying what He says in 2 Corinthians 13:5 and these other scriptures wouldn't even be in God's Word!






You grossly reject the whole counsel of God and the leading of the Holy Spirit in to ALL Truth

Jesus said the Holy Ghost would lead us in to ALL Truth (John 16:13),
and Jesus said God's Word IS Truth (John 17:17)






2 Timothy 2:24-26
And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,
In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

You really need to get to know the Word of the Lord one of these days






I won't be missing out on Heaven, but those teaching heresy will unless they REPENT and stop teaching / following heresy





Yours should be seeing to espouse heretical OSAS doctrine






If I did not love others I certainly would be warning them to depart from false doctrine such as OSAS that leads people to hell.





Well you are certainly a selfish person by peddling OSAS heresy





Peddling OSAS heresy is the opposite of love so you should REPENT





You grossly under estimate the power of the Holy Spirit to transform us into the image of Jesus.





OK so you admit that you believe when one sows to the flesh (sins) they do not reap corruption as we see in Gal 6:7,8

That would be mocking God.

And claiming our future sins are already forgiven causes many to stumble believing they can continue living in sin and it's all good because God has washed away all future sins

If one follows the false doctrine that all future sins have already been washed away and there is no need to repent and confess out sins to the Lord to be cleansed, that is mocking God according to Gal 6:7,8

Galatians 6:7-8 (see Gen 8:22)
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
You wouldn't want to mock God would ya??? View attachment 284500

If it were actually true that all of our future sins were already forgiven even before we commit than as some supposed then Christians could actually continue living in sin and still be saved

This false doctrine is exactly WHY so many today get born again and then continue living in sin and in the end they will go to hell

So the doctrine you espouse is sending people to hell.

You might want to start accepting the whole counsel of God instead of just bits and pieces of what the Lord teaches in His Word.

You just wrote a volume on Gnosticism.

How can I reply to such an enormous post?

Some of you quotations concern apostasy which is not about sinning, it's about denial of Jesus.

Here is an example you gave.

2 Timothy 2:12
If we deny Him, He also will deny us

We are discussing sin and atonement not full blown apostasy.

Focus!

 

[Inquisitor]

So we can go ahead and live in sin, living for the devil and we're still saved???

Heresy you are referring to is exactly why so many get born again and then go back to living in sin.

You are in denial of the power of Jesus to atone for all your sin.

You should have the joy of the Holy Spirit filling your heart.

But your preoccupation with your inability to stop sinning is preventing you from giving up.

And falling into the hands of Jesus Christ who has taken care of sin and death.

Look to Jesus and give up trying to tick all the boxes of holiness.

Accept the righteousness of Christ which is a gift and that is His perfect righteousness.

Boast in Christ!

 

[Inquisitor]

So we can go ahead and live in sin, living for the devil and we're still saved???

Heresy you are referring to is exactly why so many get born again and then go back to living in sin.

I never said that.

Jesus is the one who granted forgiveness to us.

You cannot repent of your own sin enough to satisfy a holy, holy, holy, Lord.

There is no way on earth you will even get close to repenting.

Either you accept the righteousness of Christ or you will battle to achieve your own.

Boast in Christ.

 

[HigherGospel]

You just wrote a volume on Gnosticism.

You just wrote a volume in heresy

You got there by being a cherry picker which is someone that chooses to only believe bits and pieces of what the Lord teaches in His Word having been deceived by doctrines of demons they got from their favorite preachers.

2 Timothy 2:12
If we deny Him, He also will deny us

We are discussing sin and atonement not full blown apostasy.

OK so if a person knows something is sinful and they do it anyway, your claim is they did not turn away from the Lord???

James 4:17
to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

Then you claim a person does not reap corruption when they sin which is sowing to the flesh?

That's mocking God! You're a God mocker!

Galatians 6:7-8 (see Gen 8:22)
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

Focus!

I am focused on what God's Word is teaching - all of what He teaches, not being a cherry picker like you.

You are in denial of the power of Jesus to atone for all your sin.

You grossly reject the whole counsel of God and the leading of the Holy Spirit in to ALL Truth

Jesus said the Holy Ghost would lead us in to ALL Truth (John 16:13),
and Jesus said God's Word IS Truth (John 17:17)

You should have the joy of the Holy Spirit filling your heart.

I'm so happy and full of joy I can hardly stand myself!
Sometimes I get up on the roof and have rapture practice!

But your preoccupation with your inability to stop sinning is preventing you from giving up.

I don't live in sin. I've been empowered by the Holy Spirit to be free from walking after the flesh

You are teaching heresy which is one of the works of the flesh the Lord says causes people to not inherit His Kingdom - Galatians 5:19-21

And falling into the hands of Jesus Christ who has taken care of sin and death.

Look to Jesus and give up trying to tick all the boxes of holiness.

Accept the righteousness of Christ which is a gift and that is His perfect righteousness.

Boast in Christ!

Here's what you OSAS heretics need to learn if you want to make it to Heaven:

Ephesians 5:1
Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children;

Ephesians 4:22-24
put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

Romans 13:14
put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.

Colossians 3:10
And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of Him that created Him:

2 Corinthians 6:17
come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.

This is what baptism is supposed to be about... making a covenant with the Lord, a public declaration of faith, a commitment to put off the old man and put on the new man and to walk in newness of life

Romans 6:4
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

We are called to cooperate with the Lord, to be co-laborers with Him. He made us in His Image, so we have free will... the Lord desires for us to willingly choose to turn away from our old life of sin and come abide In Christ and not turn away, ever!

1 Corinthians 3:9
We are laborers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.

It's God's work, His power, His ability... but WE have to choose to accept His offer to be His children and turn from darkness to walk with Him in the Light.

John 1:12
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

2 Corinthians 5:21
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

Getting born again is the introduction and the starting point and if one truly believes and dies moments after getting born again, yes they would go to Heaven.

But few die immediately after getting born again so it remains to be seen... will WE to choose to accept His offer to be His children and turn from darkness to walk with Him abiding In Him until the end of our lives so that we might be saved???

Matthew 24:13
But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Endure to the end as in... DON'T fall away!

 

[BillyBob]

So we can go ahead and live in sin, living for the devil and we're still saved???

Heresy you are referring to is exactly why so many get born again and then go back to living in sin.

OSAS does not imply that we are free to live a life of sin. In fact, anyone who claims such was never saved in the 1st place, otherwise, they would have no desire to even consider such a thought. However, we are unable to live a perfect life. This is another area in which grace and mercy are provided.
Since we are not perfect, our faith must be that we will remain safe in Christ's arms.
Just as I mentioned, I'm sure many of my sins are forgotten a moment after they happen.

 

[HigherGospel]

I never said that.

But you indicate it's not possible for a Christian to lose salvation which is the belief that one is saved even if they were to go back to living in sin.

That's heresy and it leads people to do that after having been born again - believe they can go back to living in sin

The false doctrine you espouse is leading many to go back to living in sin.

I hope you people are proud of yourselves

 

[HigherGospel]

I'm sure many of my sins are forgotten a moment after they happen.

No need to forsake and confess your sins to be cleansed???

Proverbs 28:13
He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.

1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

So then you do believe a Christian can live in sin and still be in right standing with the Lord.

This is the secure in sin false gospel

 

[BillyBob]

But you indicate it's not possible for a Christian to lose salvation which is the belief that one is saved even if they were to go back to living in sin.

I pray that you do not die two seconds after committing a sin! No time to repent. Or, some sin slips by unnoticed and without repentance. It won't go good for you that you are trusting yourself rather than Christ's pardon.

 

[HigherGospel]

I pray that you do not die two seconds after committing a sin! No time to repent. Or, some sin slips by unnoticed and without repentance. It won't go good for you that you are trusting yourself rather than Christ's pardon.

So you admit then that God can be mocked that we do not reap what we sow in that we can sow to the flesh (sin) and not reap corruption?

That's mocking God according to Gal 6:7,8

 

[HigherGospel]

trusting yourself rather than Christ's pardon.

That's what those ignorant of the whole counsel of God keep saying as they are ignorant of how to be led by the Holy Spirit who does not lead anyone to sin and if they did He would lead them to forsake and repent - Proverbs 28:13 and 1 John 1:9

 

[Inquisitor]

You just wrote a volume in heresy

You got there by being a cherry picker which is someone that chooses to only believe bits and pieces of what the Lord teaches in His Word having been deceived by doctrines of demons they got from their favorite preachers.




OK so if a person knows something is sinful and they do it anyway, your claim is they did not turn away from the Lord???

James 4:17
to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

Then you claim a person does not reap corruption when they sin which is sowing to the flesh?

That's mocking God! You're a God mocker!

Galatians 6:7-8 (see Gen 8:22)
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.





I am focused on what God's Word is teaching - all of what He teaches, not being a cherry picker like you.



You grossly reject the whole counsel of God and the leading of the Holy Spirit in to ALL Truth

Jesus said the Holy Ghost would lead us in to ALL Truth (John 16:13),
and Jesus said God's Word IS Truth (John 17:17)





I'm so happy and full of joy I can hardly stand myself!
Sometimes I get up on the roof and have rapture practice! View attachment 284501View attachment 284502View attachment 284503





I don't live in sin. I've been empowered by the Holy Spirit to be free from walking after the flesh

You are teaching heresy which is one of the works of the flesh the Lord says causes people to not inherit His Kingdom - Galatians 5:19-21




Here's what you OSAS heretics need to learn if you want to make it to Heaven:

Ephesians 5:1
Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children;

Ephesians 4:22-24
put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

Romans 13:14
put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.

Colossians 3:10
And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of Him that created Him:

2 Corinthians 6:17
come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.

This is what baptism is supposed to be about... making a covenant with the Lord, a public declaration of faith, a commitment to put off the old man and put on the new man and to walk in newness of life

Romans 6:4
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

We are called to cooperate with the Lord, to be co-laborers with Him. He made us in His Image, so we have free will... the Lord desires for us to willingly choose to turn away from our old life of sin and come abide In Christ and not turn away, ever!

1 Corinthians 3:9
We are laborers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.

It's God's work, His power, His ability... but WE have to choose to accept His offer to be His children and turn from darkness to walk with Him in the Light.

John 1:12
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

2 Corinthians 5:21
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

Getting born again is the introduction and the starting point and if one truly believes and dies moments after getting born again, yes they would go to Heaven.

But few die immediately after getting born again so it remains to be seen... will WE to choose to accept His offer to be His children and turn from darkness to walk with Him abiding In Him until the end of our lives so that we might be saved???

Matthew 24:13
But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Endure to the end as in... DON'T fall away!

Is there any way that you can shorten your posts?

They are way to large to offer a reply.

Here is what you said.

Romans 6:4
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead
by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

What is the "newness of life"?