The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?

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No. The law of which you speak was done away with in Christ

[2Co 3:11 KJV] 11 For if that which is done away [was] glorious, much more that which remaineth [is] glorious.
The ministry of death was done away with if we are under the ministry of the Holy Spirit. The law itself is holy, just and good Rom7:12 and perfect Psa19:7 how can it not be written by the Holy Spirit.

Those who are in Him, are keeping God’s commandments Rev 14:12 through His Spirit, the same Holy Spirit of Truth who wrote the Ten Commandments.

John 14:15 ‘If you love me, keep my commands. 16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you for ever – 17 the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be[c] in you. 18 I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you.

I know this can’t be reasoned so I am okay agreeing to disagree. This will get sorted out in God’s time. Be well.
 
2COR3:3 tells us which law that was and where it went. Only God can define His laws Exo20:6 Deut4:13 Exo31:16, not man because we are not God. They belong to Him and He did not leave it up to man to write. His copy is in heaven.

Rev 15:5 5 After these things I looked, and [a]behold, the [b]temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened.

μαρτύριον martýrion, mar-too'-ree-on; neuter of a presumed derivative of G3144; something evidential, i.e. (genitive case) evidence given or (specially), the Decalogue (in the sacred Tabernacle):—to be testified, testimony, witness.

It’s God’s standard of Judgement regardless if we choose to accept or reject.

Rev 11:18-19
The nations were angry, and Your [h]wrath has come,
And the time of the dead, that they should be judged,
And that You should reward Your servants the prophets and the saints,
And those who fear Your name, small and great,
And should destroy those who destroy the earth.”
19 Then the temple of God was opened in heaven, and the ark of [i]His covenant was seen in His temple. And there were lightnings, noises, thunderings, an earthquake, and great hail.

James 2:11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty.

Do you see the "law of liberty" in v12? That is the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus by which we will be judged, not the keeping of the Old Covenant's laws and commandments.

[Heb 7:12-14, 18-19 KJV]
12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
14 For [it is] evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood. ...
18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope [did]; by the which we draw nigh unto God.
 
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Do you see the "law of liberty" in v12? That is the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus by which we will be judged, not the keeping of the Old Covenant's laws and commandments.

[Heb 7:12-14, 18-19 KJV]
12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
14 For [it is] evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood. ...
18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope [did]; by the which we draw nigh unto God.
The context was quoted verbatim in the verse before James2:11-12 its the law of liberty because when keeping we are free from the law of sin and death. If everyone was keeping the Ten Commandments the way Jesus taught Mat519-30 there would be no more sin just peace and righteousness Isa 48:18
 
The ministry of death was done away with if we are under the ministry of the Holy Spirit. The law itself is holy, just and good Rom7:12 and perfect Psa19:7 how can it not be written by the Holy Spirit.

Those who are in Him, are keeping God’s commandments Rev 14:12 through His Spirit, the same Holy Spirit of Truth who wrote the Ten Commandments.

John 14:15 ‘If you love me, keep my commands. 16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you for ever – 17 the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be[c] in you. 18 I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you.

I know this can’t be reasoned so I am okay agreeing to disagree. This will get sorted out in God’s time. Be well.

And His commands were to believe in Him and love the brethren.
 
The context was quoted verbatim in the verse before James2:11-12 its the law of liberty because when keeping we are free from the law of sin and death. If everyone was keeping the Ten Commandments the way Jesus taught Mat519-30 there would be no more sin just peace and righteousness Isa 48:18

That is referring to those who try to justify themselves by the law - that they must satisfy all of it perfectly. You didn't post enough verses to see that. He is saying that the law of Christ will find everyone guilty who is not under the law of Christ because they therefore must keep the whole law themselves, since they are not justified by Him. Here:

[Jas 2:10-12 KJV]
10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one [point], he is guilty of all.
11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
 
Non-responsive to the post you are replying to. And not even within the context.

For example the context of Deut 5:22 is about God adding to more to the Ten Commandments.

Deut 5:22 “These words the Lord spoke to all your assembly, in the mountain from the midst of the fire, the cloud, and the thick darkness, with a loud voice; and He added no more. And He wrote them on two tablets of stone and gave them to me.

Deut 4:13 So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.


Deut 5:23-33 is about people being afraid of God's presence. It does not delete what God said in His own Words are His Word that He added no more to.

23 “So it was, when you heard the voice from the midst of the darkness, while the mountain was burning with fire, that you came near to me, all the heads of your tribes and your elders. 24 And you said: ‘Surely the Lord our God has shown us His glory and His greatness, and we have heard His voice from the midst of the fire. We have seen this day that God speaks with man; yet he still lives. 25 Now therefore, why should we die? For this great fire will consume us; if we hear the voice of the Lord our God anymore, then we shall die. 26 For who is there of all flesh who has heard the voice of the living God speaking from the midst of the fire, as we have, and lived? 27 You go near and hear all that the Lord our God may say, and tell us all that the Lord our God says to you, and we will hear and do it.

In Matt. 22:37-40 never mentioned any of the first 4 commandments doesn't mean because God never mentioned each of them that we can now worship other gods, vain His holy name and start idol worship either. Jesus was quoting Deut6:5 when He said this and that was right after all of the Ten Commandments was repeated 40 years after God gave them before crossing over to their promise land to diligently keep, sadly many never made it due to the exact commandment you are claiming we can break and forget Eze20:15-16 that God said to Remember.

Your not understanding that Matt. 22:37-40's command to love the Lord prohibits love for other gods/idols illustrates why your
interpretation of Scripture is so flawed.

Objective readers of the Scriptures I cited will decide which understanding is non-responsive.
God put ten commandments on the tablets but then ran out of room, so He put more in those Scripture passages.
 
The ministry of death was done away with if we are under the ministry of the Holy Spirit. The law itself is holy, just and good Rom7:12 and perfect Psa19:7 how can it not be written by the Holy Spirit.

Those who are in Him, are keeping God’s commandments Rev 14:12 through His Spirit, the same Holy Spirit of Truth who wrote the Ten Commandments.

John 14:15 ‘If you love me, keep my commands. 16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you for ever – 17 the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be[c] in you. 18 I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you.

I know this can’t be reasoned so I am okay agreeing to disagree. This will get sorted out in God’s time. Be well.


The 10 commandments were written on stone by God Himself and Moses broke that copy in anger when he went down into the camp and found the Israelites having a good ole fashionned orgy. He smashed those tablets. (bet he wanted to hit them over the collective heads of the assembled revelers) And yet there are some people round here that will tell you that nobody knew what sin was until those 10 commandments were flashed around. Seems they have not actually been needed considering the stench of the first world order after the garden, was flooded out by God in His wrath at the sin that, apparently, this world has not yet quite reached, comparatively speaking. People are trying awful hard though.

The commandments have already been sorted out and they are not the covenant. If you are a fan of scripture as you seem to indicate, why is it you seem unawares that scripture says that only blood can atone for sin?
 
An Old Testament story in 1 Samuel 4-6 illustrates the fact that the laws of the covenant did not apply to the gentiles ( unless they were proselytes.). The Philistines ( gentiles) had captured the Ark of God. God had commanded the Jews to not only not touch the ark but it had to be carried in such a way that no one ever touched it. It also was covered with a cloth; they were not to look into it. That was God’s law to the Jews. It was part of the covenant made in Mount Horeb. But the Philistines not only touched it and carried it from one city to another, and finally setting it on a cart, they also put offerings in it ( beside the chest) and they were not killed for touching it. That law was not given to them. It was a law for the Jews. When the ark got back to Israel, the people looked into the ark and God struck 50,000 of them dead—because they were told not to look into it or touch it. The Philistines were plagued when they had the ark because it was God’s ark—it did not belong to them and they had taken it, but He did not strike them dead for touching it. Why? The covenant that God made in Horeb with the nation of Israel was only for the Jews. It did not apply to the gentiles.

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No one could touch the ark of God

Only the Levis could carry the ark because they were the only ones ordained to be priests.

Num 4:15…after Aaron and his sons have finished covering the sanctuary and all the furnishings of the sanctuary, when the camp is set to go, then the sons of Kohath shall come to carry them; but they shall not touch any holy thing, lest they die.”

Uzzah died touching it and he was a Jew, because he did not follow the instructions of God. The ark represented God’s throne and inside the ark is God’s Testimony Exo31:18 Exo40:20 which is also in heaven Rev15:5 Rev 11:19 because God’s commandments belong to God and God’s people keep them through love and faith Rev 14:12
 
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The 10 commandments were written on stone by God Himself and Moses broke that copy in anger when he went down into the camp and found the Israelites having a good ole fashionned orgy. He smashed those tablets. (bet he wanted to hit them over the collective heads of the assembled revelers) And yet there are some people round here that will tell you that nobody knew what sin was until those 10 commandments were flashed around. Seems they have not actually been needed considering the stench of the first world order after the garden, was flooded out by God in His wrath at the sin that, apparently, this world has not yet quite reached, comparatively speaking. People are trying awful hard though.

The commandments have already been sorted out and they are not the covenant. If you are a fan of scripture as you seem to indicate, why is it you seem unawares that scripture says that only blood can atone for sin?
Moses broke the Ten Commandments because the contract was void after the Israelites agreed to keep them they broke them and were worshipping idols, before they even received the written copy.

But God re-wrote the exact commandments, we can’t make something perfect more perfect Psa19:7 or something holy more holy Rom7:12 God makes no mistakes, we do by following in the same path of disobedience Eze20:15-16 Heb4:11

Deut 10:4 And He wrote on the tablets according to the first writing, the TenCommandments, which the Lord had spoken to you in the mountain from the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly; and the Lord gave them to me.
 
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The commandments have already been sorted out and they are not the covenant. If you are a fan of scripture as you seem to indicate, why is it you seem unawares that scripture says that only blood can atone for sin?

I am aware. The Ten Commandments is what describes what sin is 1John3:4 James2:11 Mat5:19-30 Rom7:7

The law of Moses was added because of sin, which was the prescription of sin until the Seed. However the blood of animals in the law of Moses would never really take away the stain of sin, why Jesus had to come Heb10:1-15

While Christ’s blood takes away all of our sins, we still need to confess/repent and turn from sin 1 John1:9 Pro28:13 , why when Jesus healed He taught, go and sin no more- not that its okay to continue in sin. Jesus came to save us from our sins Mat1:21 we are not saved in sin Hen10:26-30- we need a transformation in Christ. Most people come to God and He will accept us where we are called justification, but many never want to accept God’s sanctification and Scripture tells us why John3:19-21 Rom8:7-8
 
You are given the Holy Spirit when you believe in Jesus Christ.

The Holy Spirit is the God given seal, pledge, a gold plated guarantee, that you are saved.

Ephesians 1:13-14
In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed,
you were sealed in Him
with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is given as a pledge of our inheritance, with
a view to the redemption of God’s own possession, to the praise of His glory.

If God has sealed you in Jesus and pledged that your going to heaven.

Then that is God's guarantee that you are saved and what God has promised will take place.

No one is saved based on some attempt at repentance as repentance is not the gospel.

So how does a person behave knowing that their salvation is guaranteed by Jesus?

No one is saved based on some attempt at repentance as repentance is not the gospel.
I notice that you have to add the word ATTEMPT to REPENTANCE (possibly to make a case for your apparent) belief in "monergism" I would point out that neither Jesus nor any apostle or prophet ever told people to ATTEMPT to repent but just to REPENT. Just how does one go about ATTEMPTING to repent anyway? Repentance cannot happen until the Holy Spirit in concert with our conscience and the word of salvation convinces us that we are sinners. Before my father ever received treatment for his cancer he first had to accept that he HAD cancer and that he could not solve it through healthy living

Jesus said: 8And when He (the Holy Spirit) comes, He will convict the world in regard to sin and righteousness and judgment: 9in regard to sin, because they do not believe in Me;…(John 16:8-9)
The word convict is from the Greek word elegchó [ἐλέγχω: to convict, to reprove, to expose, to refute, to correct] Thayer adds this:
1. to convict, refute, confute, generally [with a suggestion of the shame of the person convicted ] A person has to see the bad news about himself before he will dare to trust in such a radical proposition as the cross. Conviction is not our attempt to reform ourselves it is about abandoning all hope of reformation and turning ourselves over to Him.

"You said REPENTANCE is not the gospel" However, repentance is an essential part of the gospel since encountering God is possible only through both REPENTANCE and FAITH. The earliest proclamation of the gospel was two-fold: "repent of your sins and believe in the Savior"
(see Mark 1:15 or Acts 20:21)
The work of repentance, which is born out of the godly sorrow we feel for our sins, persuades us to abandon all hope in ourselves. Following that is being drawn to trust in Christ. This pattern is the first order of business God does in saving souls, as Hebrews says:
1Therefore let us leave the elementary teachings about Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith in God
(Hebrews 6:1)
 
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So how were people saved before Christ?

Was salvation free in Abraham's and Moses' day. ???

So will you deny that salvation is a free gift?

I need you to state what it is you believe.

Is salvation a free gift or not!
 
I am aware. The Ten Commandments is what describes what sin is 1John3:4 James2:11 Mat5:19-30 Rom7:7

The law of Moses was added because of sin, which was the prescription of sin until the Seed. However the blood of animals in the law of Moses would never really take away the stain of sin, why Jesus had to come Heb10:1-15

While Christ’s blood takes away all of our sins, we still need to confess/repent and turn from sin 1 John1:9 Pro28:13 , why when Jesus healed He taught, go and sin no more- not that its okay to continue in sin. Jesus came to save us from our sins Mat1:21 we are not saved in sin Hen10:26-30- we need a transformation in Christ. Most people come to God and He will accept us where we are called justification, but many never want to accept God’s sanctification and Scripture tells us why John3:19-21 Rom8:7-8

This is preaching at people and not really addressing what I posted. Have you done an extensive survey and can absolutely assure us that most people want to be sanctified?

Is there some reason you cannot post the actual scripture instead of just the references? That would be good to do I think and maybe you could also give some reasons for why you choose those scriptures. But again, if most people will not be sanctified, how is God growing His church? I think you might be just a little prejudiced as to your own interpretations to make such sweeping claims
 
Is salvation a free gift or not!

Romans 5:14 - Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned according to the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come. 15 But the free gift is not like the offense. For if by the one man’s offense many died, much more the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abounded to many. 16 And the gift is not like that which came through the one who sinned. For the judgment which came from one offense resulted in condemnation, but the free gift which came from many offenses resulted in justification. 17 For if by the one man’s offense death reigned through the one, much more those who receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.) 18 Therefore, as through one man’s offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man’s righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life.

Romans 6:23 - For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
 
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