The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?

[TMS]

You must understand that the Gentiles were not in covenant with God to obey the law.

In the first century if TMS wanted to join that former covenant then TMS had to be circumcised.

That's was the law in Israel and that is not negotiable.

To obey the law including the Sabbath you had to be circumcised first.

That's what Acts 15 was all about; do Gentiles need to be circumcised first?

That was what the law specified.

If you don't think circumcision was necessary then the law must have changed.

Many aspects of the law did change.

The changes were foretold in Dan 9

It does not mean all the laws were changed. When did "not taking the Lord's name in vain" ever change?

The laws of ordinances were nailed to the cross.
The moral laws are still kept today.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

It does not mean all the laws were changed. When did "not taking the Lord's name in vain" ever change?

It changed here. Once the light came into the world, following Moses instead of Christ is taking the lord's name in vain

And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? Luke 6:46​

 

[JimiSurvivor]

MY ADDITIONAL LEGAL WORKS? When did I ever advocate the need to perform "additional legal works" to be saved?

 

[TMS]

It's right there in Romans 11:

Is this when it was first legally ratified..

A covenant is set up before the death. Like a will.
Once the blood ratified the covenant it can not change.

The new covenant was set up before it was ratified by the death of Jesus.

After the death of Jesus the covenant can not be changed..

Gal 3:15 Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto.

It was confirmed by the blood of Jesus.

Heb 9:16-17
16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. 17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

No changes can or could be made after the death of Jesus..

 

[TMS]

It changed here. Once the light came into the world, following Moses instead of Christ is taking the lord's name in vain

And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? Luke 6:46​

Following anyone or anything is wrong because the law states
Exo 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

The law of God has not changed

God said it not Moses

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Following anyone or anything is wrong because the law states
Exo 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

The law of God has not changed

God said it not Moses

Of course it's changed. Christ said everyone would be judged by how they received his words, not Moses' words. Moses received the law from Jesus, but Jesus' received God's words directly from the father. Notice that God's commandment is everlasting life. Moses' never said such a thing. Therefore God's law has changed.

And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak. John 12:47-50​

 

[Inquisitor]

It's right there in Romans 11:

13 I am talking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch as I am the apostle to the Gentiles, I take pride in my ministry 14 in the hope that I may somehow arouse my own people to envy and save some of them. 15 For if their rejection brought reconciliation to the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? 16 If the part of the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, then the whole batch is holy; if the root is holy, so are the branches.

17 If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, 18 do not consider yourself to be superior to those other branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you. 19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.” 20 Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith.

Well done.

 

[rogerg]

Whether intentionally or not, you're espousing radical Calvinism, which involves double predestination.

When you offer someone a gift, does their acceptance of it mean they have earned or warranted it somehow? Or does it change it from being "freely offered" to "an obligation"? No. Would their refusal of it make it something other than "freely offered"? No.

I encourage you to rethink your "logic".

My logic is correct and does not need any rethinking. God does not "offer" salvation as a gift; He gives it, and thereby, it is a gift.
If you believed that Jesus is the Savior and that man is not, then everything associated with/to salvation must be satisfied by Him as the Savior - everything - with nothing not satisfied by Him - including (the incorrect assumption) that salvation must be "accepted" by someone for it to be obtained. If Christ is the Savior (and He is), then there is simply no way around that He must do it all, or He wouldn't be the Savior. So, the question then becomes, do you actually believe Jesus is the Savior, or do you not? I would encourage you to read the New Covenant and try to find in it a requirement that man must fulfill to either obtain it or to obtain the things stated in it. You will not be able to but will instead find that God assumed full responsibility for satisfying every part of it - everything for salvation for those whom He places under it.

 

[vassal]

The text says otherwise.

But while the bridegroom was delayed, they all slumbered and slept.

No mention of a life of obedience as they all slumbered, all ten virgins slept.

So much for your additional legal works.

In fact, the oil is the Holy Spirit and the wise five virgins had the oil with them.

The foolish virgins did not have the Holy Spirit with them, no oil.

The foolish virgins did not have the light and they were never ready for His return.

what you wrote is not true. Jesus never says the foolish virgins lacked the Holy Spirit. He never explains the oil that way. Jesus’ own words show a very different message.
Jesus says all ten slept because the delay was long. This sleep is not sin. It simply shows the waiting was long. Jesus never says that sleep equals disobedience or obedience. The difference between the wise and the foolish is not sleep. It is preparation.
The wise took oil with them, meaning they respected the command to be ready. The foolish did not take oil, meaning they ignored the command to be ready. Jesus ends the parable by telling us the meaning in His own words: “Watch therefore, for ye know not the day nor the hour”
The whole point is readiness. Jesus is teaching obedience to His call to be prepared, to stay faithful, to keep His word, and to be ready at all times. The foolish failed because they were careless and did not prepare. When they asked to enter, the Lord answered, “I know you not.”
Jesus never says anything here about them “never having the Holy Spirit.” That idea is added by people, not by Jesus. Jesus keeps it simple. Those who stay faithful and ready enter. Those who are careless and unprepared are shut out.
The parable teaches obedience, watchfulness, and remaining ready until He comes. This is the message Jesus gives, not the one added by others.

Time is short and the gate will be shut closed soon. Be ready!

 

[rogerg]

There is requirements for salvation.

No Bible verse says there is no requirements.

There are NO requirements for those who are to become saved - God's elect. All of the requirements for salvation have already been satisfied by God for those He chose to salvation. Read the New Covenant.

[Tit 3:5-7 KJV]
5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

[2Th 2:13-14 KJV]
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[Inquisitor]

Many aspects of the law did change.

The changes were foretold in Dan 9

It does not mean all the laws were changed. When did "not taking the Lord's name in vain" ever change?

The laws of ordinances were nailed to the cross.
The moral laws are still kept today.

Your, in effect, saying that God's law did change and at the same time, also saying that the law of God never changed.

Revelation 14:12
Here is the perseverance of the saints who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus.

that is what the third angel said.

Do you accept the following commandment is clearly one of the commandments above?

1 Corinthians 14:37
If anyone thinks he is a prophet or spiritual, let him recognize that the things which I write to you are the Lord’s commandment.

Only a prophet or a spiritual person will recognize this!

 

[Dino246]

Is this when it was first legally ratified..

A covenant is set up before the death. Like a will.
Once the blood ratified the covenant it can not change.

The new covenant was set up before it was ratified by the death of Jesus.

After the death of Jesus the covenant can not be changed..

Gal 3:15 Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto.

It was confirmed by the blood of Jesus.

Heb 9:16-17
16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. 17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

No changes can or could be made after the death of Jesus..

Hebrews notes that changes were made. The passages about the priesthood indicate the changes were made before the new covenant was ratified.

 

[TMS]

That’s what YOU think we think, despite being told clearly that is not what we think.

Every single legalist on this site holds this warped belief. You are all deceived.

So if you do not hold that view.. You must believe justification is not an excuses to sin.
Or sinning is not acceptable even though we are justified.

Sin Is the transgression of the law.

So transgression of the law is not acceptable even after justification.

Do you agree.

 

[Inquisitor]

what you wrote is not true. Jesus never says the foolish virgins lacked the Holy Spirit. He never explains the oil that way. Jesus’ own words show a very different message.
Jesus says all ten slept because the delay was long. This sleep is not sin. It simply shows the waiting was long. Jesus never says that sleep equals disobedience or obedience. The difference between the wise and the foolish is not sleep. It is preparation.
The wise took oil with them, meaning they respected the command to be ready. The foolish did not take oil, meaning they ignored the command to be ready. Jesus ends the parable by telling us the meaning in His own words: “Watch therefore, for ye know not the day nor the hour”
The whole point is readiness. Jesus is teaching obedience to His call to be prepared, to stay faithful, to keep His word, and to be ready at all times. The foolish failed because they were careless and did not prepare. When they asked to enter, the Lord answered, “I know you not.”
Jesus never says anything here about them “never having the Holy Spirit.” That idea is added by people, not by Jesus. Jesus keeps it simple. Those who stay faithful and ready enter. Those who are careless and unprepared are shut out.
The parable teaches obedience, watchfulness, and remaining ready until He comes. This is the message Jesus gives, not the one added by others.

Time is short and the gate will be shut closed soon. Be ready!

So you believe that you can do something without the power of the Holy Spirit, Christ within.

The light of Jesus that shines forth in the darkness is not from you, it's from Christ within.

Did the scripture talk about oil for lamps?

Exodus 27:20
You shall charge the sons of Israel, that they bring you clear oil of beaten olives for the light, to make a lamp burn continually.

Exodus 35:8
And oil for lighting, and spices for the anointing oil, and for the fragrant incense.

Exodus 35:14
The lampstand also for the light and its utensils and its lamps and the oil for the light

You have made a fundamental mistake in your reading of Matthew 25.

The ten virgins "slumbered and slept" not slept only and do not distort the text.

The oil is a type used to illuminate the Holy Spirit which fans into flame the fruit, the gifts within.

 

[TMS]

Your, in effect, saying that God's law did change and at the same time, also saying that the law of God never changed

The law of ordinance given to Moses, added because of sin, did change.

Nailed to the cross was the law of ordinance.

But the Mat 5:17-18
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Not destroyed or nailed to the cross was this law that Jesus said would not pass away.

 

[TMS]

Of course it's changed. Christ said everyone would be judged by how they received his words, not Moses' words

Moses did not speak the 10 commandments, Jesus did.

 

[Inquisitor]

The law of ordinance given to Moses, added because of sin, did change.

Nailed to the cross was the law of ordinance.

But the Mat 5:17-18
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from
the law, till all be fulfilled.

Not destroyed or nailed to the cross was this law that Jesus said would not pass away.

Where does it say that the "ordinances", symbolic law, ceremonial law, was nailed to the cross?

You omitted the prophets.

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Looks like it's the whole law and the prophets.

Looks like AI is backing me up as usual, see below.

Final Scripture-Only Conclusion

1. Gentiles were never under the Mosaic Law.
2. Gentile believers are explicitly excluded from keeping the law of Moses (Acts 15).
3. Christians (Jew or Gentile) are not under the law (Rom 6:14).
4. The Ten Commandments are part of “the law” and cannot be separated from it (Rom 7:7; Gal 5:3).
5. The law written on stone has ended for those in Christ (2 Cor 3:7–11).
6. Believers are under the Law of Christ, led by the Spirit, not under the Mosaic Law.

 

[TMS]

Of course it's changed. Christ said everyone would be judged by how they received his words, not Moses' words. Moses received the law from Jesus, but Jesus' received God's words directly from the father. Notice that God's commandment is everlasting life. Moses' never said such a thing. Therefore God's law has changed.

And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak. John 12:47-50​

Jesus said ....

Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Moses did not speak the 10 commandments, Jesus did.

And the father spoke his law through Jesus. The father is greater than the son, so his law is greater

Jesus said ....

Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

He said that to those who were under the law. That law has passed and a greater law has taken it's place.

 

[Inquisitor]

Moses did not speak the 10 commandments, Jesus did.

Moses carried the tablets of stone and gave them to the Israelites.

The Israelites said "we will obey" that was their agreement to the covenant.

Once they agreed the covenant was confirmed with blood.

It came down to an agreement (a testament) between Israel and God.

No covenant was made by a Gentile nation to God at Mt Sinai, the Gentiles never said "we will obey".