Acts 2:38 Comparison: Evangelical vs. Oneness / Baptismal-Regeneration View

[FlyingDove]

There is no record of anyone being baptized in the spirit in Jesus name.

It was a question?

Repeatedly throughout this thread I've been told. My only path to salvation is found in Acts 2:38:

Then Peter said unto them, ""Repent"", and ""be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ"" ""for the remission of sins"", ""and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost"".

Acts 10:44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

These gentiles ""didn't repent of anything"" ""were not water baptized in Jesus name"". Yet, they received Christ' forever (Jn 14:16) salvation sealing (Eph 1:13-14, 2 Cor 1:22, 5:5, 2 Tim 1:14) Holy Spirit.

QUESTION: They didn't follow the repeatedly promoted Acts 2:38 only path to salvation. WHY? were they saved?

And doesn't this erase the notion that the Acts 2:38 formula, isn't new testament's Body of Christ believer's only path to salvation?

 

[FlyingDove]

Peter says what happens when we are filled with the Holy Ghost.

Acts 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

JESUS says they shall speak with new tongues,

Mark 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Acts 10:45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,

Acts 19:6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.


HAS JESUS FILLED YOU with the Holy Ghost???

People Paul treats as Saved Believers (By Name) Across all 13 Pauline epistles:

Romans:
Phoebe (Rom 16:1–2), Priscilla & Aquila (16:3–5), Epaenetus (16:5), Mary (16:6), Andronicus & Junia (16:7), Amplias (16:8), Urbanus (16:9), Stachys (16:9), Apelles (16:10), Aristobulus' household (16:10), Herodion (16:11), Narcissus' household (16:11), Tryphena & Tryphosa (16:12), Persis (16:12), Rufus & his mother (16:13), Asyncritus, Phlegon, Hermas, Patrobas, Hermes (16:14), Philologus & Julia, Nereus & his sister, Olympas (16:15)

1 & 2 Corinthians
Chloe’s household (1 Cor 1:11), Stephanas, Fortunatus, Achaicus (1 Cor 16:15–18), Titus (2 Cor 2:13; 7:6; 8:23), Timothy (1 Cor 4:17; 16:10)

Gal 3:2 (B) Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

I couldn't find even ONE named believer in Paul’s epistles that's ever said to speak in tongues.

NOT: Timothy, Titus, Philemon, Luke, Mark, Onesimus, Aquila or Priscilla, Phoebe, Clement, Any Roman believer, Any Ephesian believer, Any Philippian believer, Any Thessalonian believer, Colossian believer, Not one!

If tongues were: the evidence of salvation, the sign of receiving the Spirit, a universal requirement or the proof of being "in the body". Then the New Testament would be filled with tongues events.

Yet,
I found ONLY 3 tongue‑speaking events recorded (Acts 2, 10 & 19) in the entire New Testament. ALL 3 are historical, transitional, non‑repeatable events tied to the expansion of the gospel.

You really might want to rethink your promoted position.

 

[Ouch]

Here's how sin is removed:

Heb 9:22 (B) without shedding of blood is no remission.

Matt 26:28 Jesus said; “For this is my blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.”

Rev 1:5, “He washed us from our sins in His own blood.”

Heb 4:14 “Since then we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession.”

Heb 5:10 Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.

Lev 16:21 Aaron shall lay both his hands upon the head of the live goat, and confess over him all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions in all their sins, putting them upon the head of the goat, and shall send him away by the hand of a fit man into the wilderness:

The Old Covenant Pattern: Sin imputation by the High Priest.

Lev 16:21: Aaron the high priest (mediator between Gd & man) laid both hands on the sacrifice & confessed all the sins of the nation, imputing/transferring their sins onto the innocent substitute.

This was the foreshadow.

Jesus Is the Fulfillment:

Jesus is: “The mediator of the New Testament”, Our GREAT High Priest (Heb 4:14), The One who offered HIMSELF as the sacrifice (Matt 26:53) Jesus is the one who performs the real sin transfer/imputation.

When we trust in Jesus SACFRFICIAL SIN ATONING death & resurrection:

Our High Priest imputes ALL our sins onto Himself (Heb 10:10, 2 Cor 5:19, Rom 4:8, 11, 22–24) He forgives/pardons them ALL (Heb 10:10–18) & He imputes HIS righteousness onto us (2 Cor 5:21, James 2:23)

This is the New Covenant reality the Old Covenant only pictured.

Inescapable Conclusion: If water removes sin, then Jesus' blood does not & the tremendous price He paid is worthless.

Jesus Himself said: "My BLOOD is shed for the remission of sins." Your water baptism doctrine of sin removal doesn't just contradict Paul or Peter. It contradicts Jesus at the communion table.

Rev 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood.

The only thing that can remove sin from the soul. Is FAITH placed in the FINISHED sin atoning work of our great God & Savor, Jesus the Christ.

To whom be all praise, honor & glory. Amen & amen.

SO THAT'S A BIG NO ON JESUS FILLING YOU!!

ALL of that and no scripture stating your thoughts,

Like, Flyingdove 16:14 Is FAITH placed in the FINISHED sin atoning work of our great God & Savor, Jesus the Christ.

You CAN'T PROVE your thoughts WITH HIS WORD, so they are not true.

Did you know that you got JESUS at HIS worst time, that is when HE was full of our sins.

So Peter is a LAIR.

Acts 2:38-39
King James Version
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

When JESUS told Paul to go to the city and he would be told what to do,

Acts 16:10 And I said, What shall I do, Lord? And the Lord said unto me, Arise, and go into Damascus; and there it shall be told thee of all things which are appointed for thee to do.

And Ananias said this, Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Ananias also LIED.

FYI, CAN'T ENTER WITH SIN, OR WITHOUT HAVING THE HOLY GHOST.

 

[hornetguy]

Acts 10:44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

You keep repeating this chapter as if it negates the need for baptism/Spirit baptism...
You are either ignorantly, or conveniently dis-honestly misrepresenting the whole REASON for that chapter's inclusion in scripture.

It even TELLS you the purpose of the passage.... Cornelius' family receiving the Spirit along with the "sign gift" of tongues was purposely and ONLY done that way to convince the Jewish believers that God had accepted Gentiles as believers as well. It was never to have been interpreted as a "normal" salvation event. Please stop trying to use this as an excuse to try to write off the command to be baptized.

While on the topic, please explain to me why, after Paul was given back his sight, and encouraged to receive the Spirit, the VERY FIRST THING HE DID was to be baptized.... before he ate, or drank anything, he was baptized....

I don't have the time or energy to try to address all your "points" in your walls of text, but I thought I'd toss these in....

 

[Ouch]

People Paul treats as Saved Believers (By Name) Across all 13 Pauline epistles:

Romans:
Phoebe (Rom 16:1–2), Priscilla & Aquila (16:3–5), Epaenetus (16:5), Mary (16:6), Andronicus & Junia (16:7), Amplias (16:8), Urbanus (16:9), Stachys (16:9), Apelles (16:10), Aristobulus' household (16:10), Herodion (16:11), Narcissus' household (16:11), Tryphena & Tryphosa (16:12), Persis (16:12), Rufus & his mother (16:13), Asyncritus, Phlegon, Hermas, Patrobas, Hermes (16:14), Philologus & Julia, Nereus & his sister, Olympas (16:15)

1 & 2 Corinthians
Chloe’s household (1 Cor 1:11), Stephanas, Fortunatus, Achaicus (1 Cor 16:15–18), Titus (2 Cor 2:13; 7:6; 8:23), Timothy (1 Cor 4:17; 16:10)

Gal 3:2 (B) Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

I couldn't find even ONE named believer in Paul’s epistles that's ever said to speak in tongues.

NOT: Timothy, Titus, Philemon, Luke, Mark, Onesimus, Aquila or Priscilla, Phoebe, Clement, Any Roman believer, Any Ephesian believer, Any Philippian believer, Any Thessalonian believer, Colossian believer, Not one!

If tongues were: the evidence of salvation, the sign of receiving the Spirit, a universal requirement or the proof of being "in the body". Then the New Testament would be filled with tongues events.

Yet,
I found ONLY 3 tongue‑speaking events recorded (Acts 2, 10 & 19) in the entire New Testament. ALL 3 are historical, transitional, non‑repeatable events tied to the expansion of the gospel.

You really might want to rethink your promoted position.

So you did see where people who were not saved when they received the Holy Ghost they spoke in tongues.

You missed Acts 8.

Case closed, because after the book of Acts were not to the unsaved but to church's.

 

[FlyingDove]

So you did see where people who were not saved when they received the Holy Ghost they spoke in tongues.

You missed Acts 8.

Case closed, because after the book of Acts were not to the unsaved but to church's.

Didn't miss anything, scripture doesn't record anyone speaking in tongues.

 

[Ouch]

Didn't miss anything, scripture doesn't record anyone speaking in tongues.

Acts 2, 10 and 19 sure do and in Acts 8 how did they know JESUS didn't fill them????

Since you haven't spoke in tongues, that is the same way I would know you haven't been filled!!

 

[FlyingDove]

So you did see where people who were not saved when they received the Holy Ghost they spoke in tongues.

You missed Acts 8.

Case closed, because after the book of Acts were not to the unsaved but to church's.

Agreed Paul is writing to saved believers (1 Cor 1:2)

1 Cor 12:

29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?

30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?


He asks: "Do all speak with tongues?" & the obvious answer is NO!

Your doctrine requires all believers to speak in tongues. Scripture say's the opposite.

Now you're faced with a choose: Recorded scripture or your tradition.

 

[FlyingDove]

Acts 2, 10 and 19 sure do and in Acts 8 how did they know JESUS didn't fill them????

Since you haven't spoke in tongues, that is the same way I would know you haven't been filled!!

I already spoke to Acts 2, 10 & 19. Again, Acts 8 doesn't meet your cults required salvation formula. Frankly neither does Acts 2:1-4, 10 or 19.

 

[FlyingDove]

You keep repeating this chapter as if it negates the need for baptism/Spirit baptism...
You are either ignorantly, or conveniently dis-honestly misrepresenting the whole REASON for that chapter's inclusion in scripture.

It even TELLS you the purpose of the passage.... Cornelius' family receiving the Spirit along with the "sign gift" of tongues was purposely and ONLY done that way to convince the Jewish believers that God had accepted Gentiles as believers as well. It was never to have been interpreted as a "normal" salvation event. Please stop trying to use this as an excuse to try to write off the command to be baptized.

While on the topic, please explain to me why, after Paul was given back his sight, and encouraged to receive the Spirit, the VERY FIRST THING HE DID was to be baptized.... before he ate, or drank anything, he was baptized....

I don't have the time or energy to try to address all your "points" in your walls of text, but I thought I'd toss these in....

1st, I've never tried to write off the command to be water baptize. https://christianchat.com/blogs/water-baptism-vs-spiritual-baptism.221310/

I do reject the notion that water baptism is a requirement for salvation.

In your 1st reply you wanted scripture to harmonize with scripture. When I did, you complained of a wall of text.

BTW: you didn't harmonize anything in either reply.

You drag Acts 9 into the discussion & it clearly doesn't harmonize with your Acts 2:38 water baptism = salvation nonsense.

Paul's Acts 9 baptism, does NOT mention tongues, does NOT mention "in Jesus’ name", does NOT mention water removing sin, does NOT mention water giving the Spirit, does NOT mention water = Spirit baptism.

Paul chosen by the RISEN Lord (Acts 26:16-18, Gal 1:2) Himself.

The master builder of the body of Christ (1Cor 3:10). Later says: "Christ did NOT send me to baptize." (1 Cor 1:17)

BTW: Water doesn't remove sin: https://christianchat.com/blogs/how-sin-is-removed.222011/

Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

1 Cor 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
(NOTE: Translators capitalized Spirit to identify when referring the Holy Spirit. Only Christ can baptize with/in/by the Holy Spirit.)

Col 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision """made without hands""", in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
(NOTE: OT circumcision covenant done PHYSISIALLY/with human hands. The baptism of the Holy Spirit is new covenant SPIRITUAL circumcision, done without hands)

Deut 30:6 (A) the Lord thy God will circumcise thine heart

1 Cor 12:13 """For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body""", whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Note this carefully:
By the HOLY SPIRIT we're ALL BAPTIZED into one body.

Scripture proclaims:
One Baptism, into one body, Christ alone baptizes with the Holy Spirit & No H2O used!

1 Cor 14 "spirit" (lowercase) human spirit/disposition:
2:11, 4:21, 5:3, 6:20, 7:34, 14:14, 14:15, 14:16, 14:32

1 Cor 14 "Spirit" (capital S) > Holy Spirit:
2:4, 2:10, 2:11, 2:12, 2:13, 3:16, 6:11, 6:19, 7:40, 12:3, 12:4, 12:7, 12:8, 12:9, 12:11, 12:13, 14:2, 14:14, 15:45

These are not random choices. Translation committees consistently capitalize "Spirit" when the context clearly refers to the Holy Spirit & they consistently leave "spirit" lowercase when it refers to the human spirit or human disposition.

In 1 Cor 12:13 they deliberately capitalized "Spirit," signaling that Paul is speaking of the HOLY SPIRIT as the baptizer, not water, not a preacher, not a ceremony. It's a divine action. NO H2O USED!

 

[hornetguy]

The master builder of the body of Christ (1Cor 3:10). Later says: "Christ did NOT send me to baptize." (1 Cor 1:17)

Again, you are missing or ignoring the whole meaning of a passage. Paul did not say he didn't believe in baptism, he was answering the problem of disciples that were claiming to be better than others because of who they "followed" or who baptized them. Paul chastises them for that silly, competitive way of thinking, and says that because of their silliness, he was glad he didn't baptize very many of them, to keep them from "bragging" about their Christian pedigree.... Jesus didn't send him out to see how many he could baptize, he sent him out to preach the gospel.... which includes baptism. ... you have missed the boat again on this one.

You drag Acts 9 into the discussion & it clearly doesn't harmonize with your Acts 2:38 water baptism = salvation nonsense.

I have never said that baptism equals salvation. I have stated that baptism is a necessary part of the salvation event.... and I have given scriptures proving that is true.

BTW: Water doesn't remove sin:

Peter himself disagrees with your statement.... be baptized for the forgiveness of sins, and also receive the Spirit.

Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

Yes, and the baptism that Jesus instituted includes the receiving of (baptism into) the Holy Spirit, along with forgiveness of sins.... still just one baptism, but in involves the Spirit now, as opposed to John's baptism.

 

[Ouch]

Agreed Paul is writing to saved believers (1 Cor 1:2)

1 Cor 12:

29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?

30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?


He asks: "Do all speak with tongues?" & the obvious answer is NO!

Your doctrine requires all believers to speak in tongues. Scripture say's the opposite.

Now you're faced with a choose: Recorded scripture or your tradition.

LOL, you too funny.

You agree that in the book of Acts on 4 different occasions they were filled with the Holy Ghost right?

How many cases do you need to understand???

When Paul says you only need TWO FOR HIS WORD TO BE ESTABLISHED?

2 Corinthians 13:1 This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.

FYI, it is established!!!

First you understand correctly that in first Cor Paul is speaking to those who are saved.

Then you say he says not all speak in tongues not understanding that he is speaking to those who have been saved.

1 Corinthians 12:1 Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant.

2 Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led.

3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.

5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.

6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.

7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.

Do you see that JESUS is GOD?

Notice in verse 3, through the Holy Ghost you would know that.

Notice in Verse 4, 5 and 6, diversities of gifts, differences of administrations and diversities of operations?????

Notice in verse 7, But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.

What Paul is saying is we all have the same spirit but get different things out of the same spirit!!

So when he says no not all speak in tongues he is speaking in a church setting.

Notice Paul is speaking about being a member to the or a part of the body???

WHY DO YOU THINK YOU ARE A PART OF THE BODY OF CHRIST WITHOUT IT???

Sad part is you think that all we have to do is be filled the Holy Ghost to be saved and you haven't been filled.

So your missing both, being filled and getting rid of your sins.

Do you believe we have to repent?

 

[Ouch]

I already spoke to Acts 2, 10 & 19. Again, Acts 8 doesn't meet your cults required salvation formula. Frankly neither does Acts 2:1-4, 10 or 19.

What is GREAT about JESUS is he gives us choice.

I can see others on here trying to share his word, we have to be humble to accept it.

I share HIS word on how to be reborn and you call it a cult.

Your comments and you walk is with JESUS himself.

Keep in mind Satan was kicked out of Heaven for pride also.

I know not all will see, the path to Hell is wide and broad.

I know not all will see, I'm just doing my job planting seeds.

Best of luck, remember entirety is a LONG LONG TIME.

 

[FlyingDove]

Again, you are missing or ignoring the whole meaning of a passage. Paul did not say he didn't believe in baptism, he was answering the problem of disciples that were claiming to be better than others because of who they "followed" or who baptized them. Paul chastises them for that silly, competitive way of thinking, and says that because of their silliness, he was glad he didn't baptize very many of them, to keep them from "bragging" about their Christian pedigree.... Jesus didn't send him out to see how many he could baptize, he sent him out to preach the gospel.... which includes baptism. ... you have missed the boat again on this one.



I have never said that baptism equals salvation. I have stated that baptism is a necessary part of the salvation event.... and I have given scriptures proving that is true.



Peter himself disagrees with your statement.... be baptized for the forgiveness of sins, and also receive the Spirit.



Yes, and the baptism that Jesus instituted includes the receiving of (baptism into) the Holy Spirit, along with forgiveness of sins.... still just one baptism, but in involves the Spirit now, as opposed to John's baptism.

Acts it a transition book mapping out the change from the dispensation of law to the dispensation of grace

Act 1:5 Jesus Himself outlines a global outreach that will accomplish this transition.

It begins at Pentecost with Jews only (Acts 2). These are circumcision‑covenant insiders, living under the Mosaic Law & in Acts 2, the Lord begins the New Covenant administration in a uniquely Jewish way: Repent, Be water baptized & Receive the Holy Spirit. This order is never repeated for Gentiles

BTW: Repent here means changing their minds from unbelief (Jesus is not the Messiah) to belief (Jesus is the Messiah). Peter's GOSPEL sermon makes this explicit:

Acts 2:21 Whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved. (Whoever believes Jesus is Lord will be saved.)

Vs 22, God worked miracles through Jesus (Vs24) God raised him from the dead (Vs32) I Peter am an eye witness to this fact. (Vs36) ISRAEL! God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ..

Vs 37, CONTRITION! they were pricked in their heart & said what shall we do? < BELIEVE that Jesus is Lord (reread vs 21).

Vs 38, Be baptized, in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins. remission comes through faith, which they already expressed (v37). Their baptism is an act of allegiance to the authority of His name.:

(SIDE NOTE: To Jewish leadership, being baptized "in Jesus' name" = idolatry > worshiping a man. A direct violation of Commandments #1 and #2.

AUTHORITY:
Phil 2:9 highly exalted him, the name which is above every name:
Phil 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Ephesians 1:20–22, Far above all rule, authority, power, dominion, and every name
Matthew 28:18, All authority in heaven and earth given to Jesus
Acts 2:21 Whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Acts 10:43, Everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness

Jn 3:15, That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

Jn 3:16, whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Jn 3:36, He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life

Acts 4:12, No other name under heaven by which we must be saved

Acts 2 concludes with: You shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

About 10 years later, the New Covenant reaches the house of Cornelius, an uncircumcised Gentile (Acts 10) A covenant outsider with no access to Israel's Law or identity markers.

The Lord's chosen method of New Covenant administration inverts in Acts 10 it's: Hear the gospel > Believe > Receiving the Holy Spirit & THEN water baptism. The Spirit falls before water, proving Gentiles are included apart from Israel's covenant requirements.

Scripture repeatedly shows the Acts 10 order as the Lord's ongoing pattern: Faith > Spirit > Water. Scripture never once repeats the Acts 2 sequence for Gentiles. Pentecost is a one‑time, Israel‑specific administration, not the universal formula

Your mistake is treating the Pentecost administration as the universal salvation formula. But that is not how the Lord chose to implement the New Covenant across groups.

Acts 2 is Israel’s administration. Acts 10 is Gentile administration.

The distinction was made by the Lord Himself. Not Peter, not tradition & not us.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Scripture repeatedly shows the Acts 10 order as the Lord's ongoing pattern: Faith > Spirit > Water. Scripture never once repeats the Acts 2 sequence for Gentiles. Pentecost is a one‑time, Israel‑specific administration, not the universal formula

What you say doesn't match scripture. No mention of spirit here when the gentile jailer believed and was baptized. Same pattern as Acts 2:38: believe and be baptized

Then he called for a light, and sprang in, and came trembling, and fell down before Paul and Silas, And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house. And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house. And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway. Acts 16:29-33​

 

[Ouch]

Acts it a transition book mapping out the change from the dispensation of law to the dispensation of grace

Act 1:5 Jesus Himself outlines a global outreach that will accomplish this transition.

It begins at Pentecost with Jews only (Acts 2). These are circumcision‑covenant insiders, living under the Mosaic Law & in Acts 2, the Lord begins the New Covenant administration in a uniquely Jewish way: Repent, Be water baptized & Receive the Holy Spirit. This order is never repeated for Gentiles

BTW: Repent here means changing their minds from unbelief (Jesus is not the Messiah) to belief (Jesus is the Messiah). Peter's GOSPEL sermon makes this explicit:

Acts 2:21 Whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved. (Whoever believes Jesus is Lord will be saved.)

Vs 22, God worked miracles through Jesus (Vs24) God raised him from the dead (Vs32) I Peter am an eye witness to this fact. (Vs36) ISRAEL! God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ..

Vs 37, CONTRITION! they were pricked in their heart & said what shall we do? < BELIEVE that Jesus is Lord (reread vs 21).

Vs 38, Be baptized, in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins. remission comes through faith, which they already expressed (v37). Their baptism is an act of allegiance to the authority of His name.:

(SIDE NOTE: To Jewish leadership, being baptized "in Jesus' name" = idolatry > worshiping a man. A direct violation of Commandments #1 and #2.

AUTHORITY:
Phil 2:9 highly exalted him, the name which is above every name:
Phil 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Ephesians 1:20–22, Far above all rule, authority, power, dominion, and every name
Matthew 28:18, All authority in heaven and earth given to Jesus
Acts 2:21 Whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Acts 10:43, Everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness

Jn 3:15, That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

Jn 3:16, whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Jn 3:36, He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life

Acts 4:12, No other name under heaven by which we must be saved

Acts 2 concludes with: You shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

About 10 years later, the New Covenant reaches the house of Cornelius, an uncircumcised Gentile (Acts 10) A covenant outsider with no access to Israel's Law or identity markers.

The Lord's chosen method of New Covenant administration inverts in Acts 10 it's: Hear the gospel > Believe > Receiving the Holy Spirit & THEN water baptism. The Spirit falls before water, proving Gentiles are included apart from Israel's covenant requirements.

Scripture repeatedly shows the Acts 10 order as the Lord's ongoing pattern: Faith > Spirit > Water. Scripture never once repeats the Acts 2 sequence for Gentiles. Pentecost is a one‑time, Israel‑specific administration, not the universal formula

Your mistake is treating the Pentecost administration as the universal salvation formula. But that is not how the Lord chose to implement the New Covenant across groups.

Acts 2 is Israel’s administration. Acts 10 is Gentile administration.

The distinction was made by the Lord Himself. Not Peter, not tradition & not us.

Don't tell me what the bible says, let the bible tell me what it says.

Foundation is the key, prove the book of Acts is a transitional book.

Prove the Gentiles were grafted in differently than the Jews.

Acts 10 proves they are the same!!!

No need for a long bible lesson, those who talk a lot are just tying to prove something that is not there.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

The distinction was made by the Lord Himself. Not Peter, not tradition & not us.

This distinction is made by followers of hyperdispensationalism

 

[FlyingDove]

This distinction is made by followers of hyperdispensationalism

A label isn’t a rebuttal. Show from Scripture where the Lord treats Acts 2 Jews & Acts 10 Gentiles the same.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

A label isn’t a rebuttal. Show from Scripture where the Lord treats Acts 2 Jews & Acts 10 Gentiles the same.

Actually it's a very efficient way of knowing what's behind your teachings so that we can wrap them up and throw them in the trash where they belong

 

[FlyingDove]

Don't tell me what the bible says, let the bible tell me what it says.

Foundation is the key, prove the book of Acts is a transitional book.

Prove the Gentiles were grafted in differently than the Jews.

Acts 10 proves they are the same!!!

No need for a long bible lesson, those who talk a lot are just tying to prove something that is not there.

the Bible does tell us what it says & it shows the transition plainly.

Acts 1:5, John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit. < That is a transition/change of administration. > A shift from water baptism to Spirit baptism.

A transition from Israel only to all nations (Acts 1:8). That is the definition of a transition.