Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[brightfame52]

He loves you though, right? You have Gods EXCLUSIVE love.

He Loves His elect exclusively. They are a special people to Him Deut 7 picture it

6 For thou art an holy people unto the Lord thy God: the Lord thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

7 The Lord did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:

The New Covenant version Eph 1:4

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

 

[Blain]

By me reading it. There is exclusively one salvation in Christ Jesus, for the elect to obtain Duh

So because you say so that is what it says? sorry but that isn't how it works look at this verse closely And everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” – Acts 2:21 and also this one is plain as day “For the grace of God has appeared that offers salvation to all people.” – Titus 2:11
I can also give you more if you wish but seems to me that this settles it

 

[Kroogz]

He Loves His elect exclusively. They are a special people to Him Deut 7 picture it

6 For thou art an holy people unto the Lord thy God: the Lord thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

7 The Lord did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:

The New Covenant version Eph 1:4

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

He Chose Israel to be His special people.

Before the foundation of the world, He chose the Church to Be in Him, And that they should be Holy and blameless.

Blessings for BELIEVERS only. We are chosen and elected to service,blessings and a predetermined plan......The Moment WHOSOEVER believes.

 

[Jordon]

Ok I understand and you are right he should not be treating others the way he is

trouble is he won't take any notice, whilst making out I don't

 

[brightfame52]

So because you say so that is what it says?

No but because I read it in the scripture 2 Tim 2:10

 

[Blain]

trouble is he won't take any notice, whilst making out I don't

He won't willingly take notice because he knows he is in the wrong but refuses to admit it such is the behavior of oeioke like that and it is extremely rare for people to own up to what they have done

 

[brightfame52]

He Chose Israel to be His special people.

Thats the elect in Christ Israel, not national ethnic israel, they were not His special chosen people. He called them children of the devil Jn 8

 

[Blain]

No but because I read it in the scripture 2 Tim 2:10

Again this doesn't say that the elect are a specific group only just because the word elect is in there doesn't mean it is not for everyone who calls on the name of Jesus.

You know the verses I gave? What do you make of them? Notice anything? it says clear as day that salvation is for all not some but you ignored it and likely because you know I am right hee is some more for you Who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.” – 1 Timothy 2:4 and again,,,“I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved. They will come in and go out, and find pasture.” – John 10:9

The evidence keeps stacking up so what do you have to say about these verses?

 

[brightfame52]

Again this doesn't say that the elect are a specific group only just because the word elect is in there doesn't mean it is not for everyone who calls on the name of Jesus.

The elect are a special people to God, He chose for Himself over and above the rest of humanity

 

[HeIsHere]

The elect are a special people to God, He chose for Himself over and above the rest of humanity

This belief is outside of historical Christian orthodoxy and scripture.

 

[Blain]

The elect are a special people to God, He chose for Himself over and above the rest of humanity

Not according to the scriptures I gave that you keep ignoring so you have no way of disproving them and you clearly do not see it as the word of God you pick and choose what to accept and ignore the rest this is why you are in error

 

[BillyBob]

He Loves His elect exclusively. They are a special people to Him Deut 7 picture it

6 For thou art an holy people unto the Lord thy God: the Lord thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

7 The Lord did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:

The New Covenant version Eph 1:4

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

The problem with Fwers is that they claim we never use scripture. Then when we do, it hurts their ears to the point that they twist it in every direction possible to pretend that it does not mean what it says.

Good post!

 

[Blain]

The problem with Fwers is that they claim we never use scripture. Then when we do, it hurts their ears to the point that they twist it in every direction possible to pretend that it does not mean what it says.

Good post!

They also conviently ignore the scriptures given having no way to counter it so they refuse to accept it

 

[Kroogz]

Thats the elect in Christ Israel, not national ethnic israel, they were not His special chosen people. He called them children of the devil Jn 8

Like I said ......For believers only.

No one is elected to salvation. Salvation is for WHOSOEVER believes. Election/predetermined plan is for believers only.

 

[cv5]

Again this doesn't say that the elect are a specific group only just because the word elect is in there doesn't mean it is not for everyone who calls on the name of Jesus.

You know the verses I gave? What do you make of them? Notice anything? it says clear as day that salvation is for all not some but you ignored it and likely because you know I am right hee is some more for you Who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.” – 1 Timothy 2:4 and again,,,“I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved. They will come in and go out, and find pasture.” – John 10:9

The evidence keeps stacking up so what do you have to say about these verses?

Blain, there are certain "Reformed" posters here that are profoundly afflicted by Biblical illiteracy. Consequently they know so very little about so very much that every post is steeped in error and folly. Its an ongoing disastrous train wreck of error.

I myself recognize this folly INSTANTLY when reading these posts. I think to myself "wrong"....."wrong"......"wrong"......WRONG.

BTW, the CALL of Abraham can NEVER be "Calvinized" to become the LOBOTOMIZING/KIDNAPPING of Abraham, regardless of how much effort they expend.

 

[cv5]

Thats the elect in Christ Israel, not national ethnic israel, they were not His special chosen people. He called them children of the devil Jn 8

Biblically illiterate nonsense....

Jhn 3:29
He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled.

 

[Blain]

Blain, there are certain "Reformed" posters here that are profoundly afflicted by Biblical illiteracy. Consequently they know so very little about so very much that every post is steeped in error and folly. Its an ongoing disastrous train wreck of error.

I myself recognize this folly INSTANTLY when reading these posts. I think to myself "wrong"....."wrong"......"wrong"......WRONG.

BTW, the CALL of Abraham can NEVER be "Calvinized" to become the LOBOTOMIZING/KIDNAPPING of Abraham, regardless of how much effort they expend.

Even so he may be in error but he doesn't have to ignore the scriptures that clearly state salvation is for all people and sadly the word all in that is often said to mean something else by calvinists because their teacher said so, now I don't know if he is actually is one for certain but the more he spouts his rubbish and ignores the clear scriptures the more I am inclined to think he is

I can forgive all that if he would only respond to my repeated request to explain the scriptures given.

 

[BillyBob]

God decided long ago all those who belong to Him. It is only His chosen who are drawn to Christ.
It is true that He takes no pleasure in the lost, but it is also true that He only has mercy on those of His choosing. For He tells us in Rom 9:15 that His mercy is for His people only.
That's a tough pill for man to swallow, but the sad fact is that none deserve His mercy.

 

[Kroogz]

God decided long ago all those who belong to Him. It is only His chosen who are drawn to Christ.
It is true that He takes no pleasure in the lost, but it is also true that He only has mercy on those of His choosing. For He tells us in Rom 9:15 that His mercy is for His people only.
That's a tough pill for man to swallow, but the sad fact is that none deserve His mercy.

Romans 9:15 (ESV)
15 For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”

The Irony that the calvies us this verse to "bolster" their false claims.

The Jews were dead set against God having mercy on the gentiles also.......Mercy was for the "elect" of God, not the gentiles.

Paul was refuting the very thing that the calvies and the Jews teach.

 

[cv5]

God decided long ago all those who belong to Him. It is only His chosen who are drawn to Christ.
It is true that He takes no pleasure in the lost, but it is also true that He only has mercy on those of His choosing. For He tells us in Rom 9:15 that His mercy is for His people only.
That's a tough pill for man to swallow, but the sad fact is that none deserve His mercy.

Biblically illiterate nonsense.

The Biblical fact is that ALL MEN now have a PERFECTED LEGAL RIGHT to Salvation and also their INHERITANCE in Christ Jesus.
All that is required is for them to RECEIVE/SEIZE UPON this Divine Pardon and inheritance by an act of personal volition.

The PERFORMANCE of this LEGAL PRECEDENT is warranted and guaranteed by God Himself.