The Holy Spirit Teaches Obedience, Not Lawlessness

[Dino246]

is harassment of it's members allowed? you do not address the O.P and never did here since you admitted not reading it but you continually harass me because you hate what I write about what Jesus said using his own words. we so not agree on the same doctrines but harassing. no one is forcing you to remain on this thread.

@Oncefallen Could you please tell this person to stop harassing me on this thread and others? he is not addressing the opening post and he admits never have read it "" from post 11:"
""Dude, can you even read? The title of the post is wrong; I told you that in post #3. I ignored all the blather you wrote after that."

I have told him to stop but he is relentless and still and continues to call me names. I did ask him to provide his grievances about the O.P. but he remains silent. when @Dino246 does not like someone for saying differently from him he goes for it and causes a lot of trouble, as for an example, this thread he killed it and I think this is his goal so silence people he does not agree with.

here is another example of what ihave do endure;

post no 6:"

"I am about to prove it is you who is one of the Judaizers. "

That man had a clear agenda, to cause trouble and for me to leave this forum.

You clearly don’t read carefully, as you accused me publicly of things I have not done, attributing to me the words of others.

As for leaving the forum, if you feel that is necessary, I’ll happily hold the door open for you as you go.

Here’s some news for you: disagreement is not harassment. Criticism is not harassment. Questioning your maturity in light of your posts is not harassment. Addressing one component of your post without addressing the rest is not harassment.

Grow a thicker skin.

 

[vassal]

@vassal i read your OP and I agree with you in your overall point despite some minor details.

Your overall point touches upon a topic which is discussed eternally with no answer similar to other topics like free will or OSAS.

Some people will disagree with your topic because they see it as some sort of “work” - wherever that means - if they even know how to describe what “work” means.

The point here is that you should be at peace with different views and groups because they have always existed, exist and will exist in the future.

God bless you.

your assessment is correct, many link obedience or even following Jesus with ""works of the law"" but they cannot define what these works are. every time i ask I get no reply, I want to help some understand but they wont allow me to do so.

I am ok with different views but not with someone who do not read the opening post and constantly criticize without knowing that the post is about and harass me on these forum. this is what has been happening for a few days now it is very unfortunate as some people shy away because of the discord and discontent their behaviour causes. also these people and there are many, never contribute to this forum with posts of their own, they just like to criticism people for the fun of it., I appreciate your comments and ill just use the ignore button from now on, I have using it but why not.

Thank you for your comments.

Blessings.

You clearly don’t read carefully, as you accused me publicly of things I have not done, attributing to me the words of others.

As for leaving the forum, if you feel that is necessary, I’ll happily hold the door open for you as you go.

Here’s some news for you: disagreement is not harassment. Criticism is not harassment. Questioning your maturity in light of your posts is not harassment. Addressing one component of your post without addressing the rest is not harassment.

Grow a thicker skin.

no need to reply further i have you on inore.

 

[Watchman22]

The Holy Spirit Teaches Obedience, Not Lawlessness

Jesus never spoke of the Holy Spirit as replacing His commands. He spoke of the Spirit as the help God gives so that people can live those commands from the heart. The Spirit is not given to remove obedience, but to make obedience possible.

Jesus first connects the Holy Spirit directly to love and obedience. He says, “If ye love me, keep my commandments” (John 14:15, KJV). Right after saying this, He speaks about the Holy Spirit, saying, “And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth” (John 14:16–17, KJV). This shows that love, obedience, and the Holy Spirit belong together. Obedience is not something we do by our own strength alone. It flows from love, and that love is helped and grown by the Spirit God gives.

Jesus explains that the Holy Spirit is a Helper. A helper does not cancel the work. A helper helps us do the work. The Holy Spirit helps believers live the life Jesus taught.
Jesus then explains one of the Holy Spirit’s most important roles. He says, “But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you” (John 14:26, KJV).

This is very important. The Holy Spirit teaches, but He teaches what Jesus already said. He reminds believers of Jesus’ words. He does not bring a new or different message. He brings Jesus’ words back to the heart and mind again and again.
This makes something very clear. If the Spirit reminds us of Jesus’ words, then those words still matter. You do not remind someone of something that no longer applies. The Spirit works so that Jesus’ teachings remain alive inside the believer.
Jesus also explains that the Holy Spirit lives inside those who belong to Him. He says, “He dwelleth with you, and shall be in you” (John 14:17, KJV). This means obedience is not only outward. It is not just rules written outside of us. It becomes something written in the heart. The Holy Spirit works from the inside, shaping desire, conscience, and love, so that obeying Jesus is no longer forced, but becomes natural.

Jesus makes this even clearer when He speaks about remaining in Him. He says, “I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing” (John 15:5, KJV). The fruit comes from staying connected to Jesus. The Spirit is how Jesus remains with believers after He ascended to the Father. The fruit that comes is not lawlessness, but a life that reflects Jesus’ teachings.

Jesus then shows that obedience is the sign of this living connection. He says, “If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love” (John 15:10, KJV). The Holy Spirit does not remove commandments. The Holy Spirit helps believers remain in Jesus’ love as they walk in them.

Jesus also explains that the Spirit guides believers into truth. He says, “Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth” (John 16:13, KJV). Jesus is the truth, and His words are truth. The Spirit guides believers deeper into understanding and living what Jesus already taught, not away from it.

So when Jesus speaks about the Holy Spirit, He presents the Holy Spirit as a teacher, a helper, a reminder, and a guide. The Spirit works inside the believer to keep Jesus’ words alive, to shape love, and to empower obedience. The Holy Spirit is not freedom from Jesus’ commands. The Spirit is freedom to live them from the heart.

In this way, Jesus shows that true obedience is not about human effort alone. It is about a heart changed by God’s Holy Spirit, a heart that loves Jesus, remembers His words, and walks in them with joy.

I agree with some of what you've stated. But how do you incorporate "obedience" in the journey "before" we receive the Holy Spirit? When God, His word, and His promises aren't ours yet? When we're only being called out by the Father?

Salvation is by Grace, "through Faith". Does "obedience" play a part in the "through Faith" part of the process?

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

The Holy Spirit does teach obedience to God's voice, and not lawlessness. But what is lawlessness?

Following the law of Moses apart from faith is lawlessness.

Not following the law of Moses is not lawlessness because Paul said he didn't follow the law of Moses when he was around others who didn't follow the law of Moses, but he wasn't lawless because he was lawful to Christ.

And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law; To the lawless, as lawless, (not being lawless to God, but lawful to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law. 1 Corinthians 9:20-21​

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So lawfulness is obedience to Christ

 

[4urenlightment]

The Holy Spirit Teaches Obedience, Not Lawlessness

Jesus never spoke of the Holy Spirit as replacing His commands. He spoke of the Spirit as the help God gives so that people can live those commands from the heart. The Spirit is not given to remove obedience, but to make obedience possible.

Jesus first connects the Holy Spirit directly to love and obedience. He says, “If ye love me, keep my commandments” (John 14:15, KJV). Right after saying this, He speaks about the Holy Spirit, saying, “And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth” (John 14:16–17, KJV). This shows that love, obedience, and the Holy Spirit belong together. Obedience is not something we do by our own strength alone. It flows from love, and that love is helped and grown by the Spirit God gives.

Jesus explains that the Holy Spirit is a Helper. A helper does not cancel the work. A helper helps us do the work. The Holy Spirit helps believers live the life Jesus taught.
Jesus then explains one of the Holy Spirit’s most important roles. He says, “But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you” (John 14:26, KJV).

This is very important. The Holy Spirit teaches, but He teaches what Jesus already said. He reminds believers of Jesus’ words. He does not bring a new or different message. He brings Jesus’ words back to the heart and mind again and again.
This makes something very clear. If the Spirit reminds us of Jesus’ words, then those words still matter. You do not remind someone of something that no longer applies. The Spirit works so that Jesus’ teachings remain alive inside the believer.
Jesus also explains that the Holy Spirit lives inside those who belong to Him. He says, “He dwelleth with you, and shall be in you” (John 14:17, KJV). This means obedience is not only outward. It is not just rules written outside of us. It becomes something written in the heart. The Holy Spirit works from the inside, shaping desire, conscience, and love, so that obeying Jesus is no longer forced, but becomes natural.

Jesus makes this even clearer when He speaks about remaining in Him. He says, “I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing” (John 15:5, KJV). The fruit comes from staying connected to Jesus. The Spirit is how Jesus remains with believers after He ascended to the Father. The fruit that comes is not lawlessness, but a life that reflects Jesus’ teachings.

Jesus then shows that obedience is the sign of this living connection. He says, “If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love” (John 15:10, KJV). The Holy Spirit does not remove commandments. The Holy Spirit helps believers remain in Jesus’ love as they walk in them.

Jesus also explains that the Spirit guides believers into truth. He says, “Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth” (John 16:13, KJV). Jesus is the truth, and His words are truth. The Spirit guides believers deeper into understanding and living what Jesus already taught, not away from it.

So when Jesus speaks about the Holy Spirit, He presents the Holy Spirit as a teacher, a helper, a reminder, and a guide. The Spirit works inside the believer to keep Jesus’ words alive, to shape love, and to empower obedience. The Holy Spirit is not freedom from Jesus’ commands. The Spirit is freedom to live them from the heart.

In this way, Jesus shows that true obedience is not about human effort alone. It is about a heart changed by God’s Holy Spirit, a heart that loves Jesus, remembers His words, and walks in them with joy.

The

Holy spirit merges with our consciousness (soul), to help guide us to alert us when we are straying away.
When we don't listen to our consciousness, the Holy spirit will warn us, that the spirit will make us feel the effects of what the thing that we have done to others in order to teach us. That you'll stay in that predicament until we learn from it.
Basically, we will reap whatever we have sown but will never judge us on the things we do that hurt others

 

[Dino246]

The Holy spirit merges with our consciousness (soul)

No, He does not. There isn't a single verse or passage in all of Scripture stating or even hinting that the Holy Spirit "merges" with our soul. He fills us but we lose neither our identity nor our independence.

to help guide us to alert us when we are straying away.

That's only part of what He does.

When we don't listen to our consciousness, the Holy spirit will warn us, that the spirit will make us feel the effects of what the thing that we have done to others in order to teach us.
That you'll stay in that predicament until we learn from it.

That's bafflegab. The Holy Spirit works through our conscience, affirming right actions (and thoughts) with His peace and resisting wrong actions (thoughts) with His conviction. He also guides us in general terms, and gives insight into Scripture. You seem to think the Holy Spirit's only role is correction, when in fact that is only one part among many.

Basically, we will reap whatever we have sown but will never judge us on the things we do that hurt others

The Holy Spirit does judge us, bringing the weight of His conviction on us when we hurt others sinfully.

 

[4urenlightment]

No, He does not. There isn't a single verse or passage in all of Scripture stating or even hinting that the Holy Spirit "merges" with our soul. He fills us but we lose neither our identity nor our independence.


That's only part of what He does.


That's bafflegab. The Holy Spirit works through our conscience, affirming right actions (and thoughts) with His peace and resisting wrong actions (thoughts) with His conviction. He also guides us in general terms, and gives insight into Scripture. You seem to think the Holy Spirit's only role is correction, when in fact that is only one part among many.


The Holy Spirit does judge us, bringing the weight of His conviction on us when we hurt others sinfully.

That's what the entire Bible is about. That we all must be possessed by God's spirits. We can't be walking around like an empty vessel. we must be filled with spirits from God, or else the evil spirits will come and take over.


John 19:30
When he had received the drink, Jesus said, “It is finished.” With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.

Romans 8:2
because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you free from the law of sin and death.


Genesis 2:7
Then the Lord God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.

John 1:4
In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind.


John 20:22
And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit.

Acts 1:8
But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.”

Matthew 12:44
Then it says, ‘I will return to the house I left.’ When it arrives, it finds the house unoccupied, swept clean and put in order.

And we can't be filled with the spirits from God while keeping our old lifestyle.

Matthew 9:17
Neither do people pour new wine into old wineskins. If they do, the skins will burst; the wine will run out and the wineskins will be ruined. No, they pour new wine into new wineskins, and both are preserved.”

 

[Dino246]

That's what the entire Bible is about. That we all must be possessed by God's spirits. We can't be walking around like an empty vessel. we must be filled with spirits from God, or else the evil spirits will come and take over.

Methinks you've gotten a little too deep into the spirits. your statements are vaguely biblical, but you're missing some important connections and linguistic precision.

 

[Watchman22]

That's what the entire Bible is about. That we all must be possessed by God's spirits. We can't be walking around like an empty vessel. we must be filled with spirits from God, or else the evil spirits will come and take over.


John 19:30
When he had received the drink, Jesus said, “It is finished.” With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.

Romans 8:2
because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you free from the law of sin and death.


Genesis 2:7
Then the Lord God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.

John 1:4
In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind.


John 20:22
And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit.

Acts 1:8
But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.”

Matthew 12:44
Then it says, ‘I will return to the house I left.’ When it arrives, it finds the house unoccupied, swept clean and put in order.

And we can't be filled with the spirits from God while keeping our old lifestyle.

Matthew 9:17
Neither do people pour new wine into old wineskins. If they do, the skins will burst; the wine will run out and the wineskins will be ruined. No, they pour new wine into new wineskins, and both are preserved.”

I don't know if I would have chosen the word Spirits, plural. But you got one thing right, it's all about possession.

 

[4urenlightment]

Methinks you've gotten a little too deep into the spirits. your statements are vaguely biblical, but you're missing some important connections and linguistic precision.

Throughout the scriptures it uses figurative language or a hidden moral or spiritual messages within it. Just like in dreams, or you can say the astral plain. That it uses images like in Revelations that has hidden meaning that tells a story.
I'm just interpreting some of its hidden meaning.
It says we can't take the scriptures literally. But we must have the Holy spirit in us to help interpret it for us by merging our minds with this spirit's mind so we can see and hear what the scriptures is saying. That's why all three of us must become one which that means to merge as one.

I guess I'm worthy of opening up the scrolls

John 6:63
The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you—they are full of the Spirit and life.

2 Corinthians 3:6
He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

 

[4urenlightment]

I don't know if I would have chosen the word Spirits, plural. But you got one thing right, it's all about possession.

In the gospel of John at the beginning, it says Jesus is the word that God breathe or spoked everything into existence. But it says in the scriptures that we are lacking something else that we have to obtain later. And that spirit it is the Holy spirit.
The Kingdom of God means many spirits that we were created in their likeness. Like the centurion that asked Jesus to heal his servant. He said that he was a man of authority, that he has others that works underneath him. That he told Jesus that He is a person with authority that He also should have others working under Him. That Jesus was amazed that the centurion recognized how the Kingdom of God works. And since He is greater is He that is in me, that He should also have others with Him.

We are possessed, but which spirits


Ephesians 2:2
in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient.

 

[Dino246]

Throughout the scriptures it uses figurative language or a hidden moral or spiritual messages within it. Just like in dreams, or you can say the astral plain.

Um, no, the "astral plane" is Eastern mysticism, not biblical Christianity. There is certainly figurative language in Scripture, but the basic meaning is available to even beginning readers.

That it uses images like in Revelations that has hidden meaning that tells a story. I'm just interpreting some of its hidden meaning. It says we can't take the scriptures literally.

What says "we can't take the scriptures literally"? Some passages we are to take literally, some we aren't. Context usually tells us which is which.

But we must have the Holy spirit in us to help interpret it for us by merging our minds with this spirit's mind so we can see and hear what the scriptures is saying. That's why all three of us must become one which that means to merge as one.

Again, "merge" is just the wrong word because we don't become one with the Holy Spirit. He fills us, but remains distinct.

I guess I'm worthy of opening up the scrolls

Again, no. That's a reference to Revelation 5, where no-one except the Lamb of God is worthy to open the scroll.

 

[Watchman22]

In the gospel of John at the beginning, it says Jesus is the word that God breathe or spoked everything into existence. But it says in the scriptures that we are lacking something else that we have to obtain later. And that spirit it is the Holy spirit.
The Kingdom of God means many spirits that we were created in their likeness. Like the centurion that asked Jesus to heal his servant. He said that he was a man of authority, that he has others that works underneath him. That he told Jesus that He is a person with authority that He also should have others working under Him. That Jesus was amazed that the centurion recognized how the Kingdom of God works. And since He is greater is He that is in me, that He should also have others with Him.

We are possessed, but which spirits


Ephesians 2:2
in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient.

Theres only one spirit i know of that brings along with it what the Greek calls, the Grace deposit. A literal piece of God Himself.

 

[Tex_MidwesternerNW]

The Holy Spirit Teaches Obedience, Not Lawlessness

Jesus never spoke of the Holy Spirit as replacing His commands. He spoke of the Spirit as the help God gives so that people can live those commands from the heart. The Spirit is not given to remove obedience, but to make obedience possible.

Jesus first connects the Holy Spirit directly to love and obedience. He says, “If ye love me, keep my commandments” (John 14:15, KJV). Right after saying this, He speaks about the Holy Spirit, saying, “And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth” (John 14:16–17, KJV). This shows that love, obedience, and the Holy Spirit belong together. Obedience is not something we do by our own strength alone. It flows from love, and that love is helped and grown by the Spirit God gives.

Jesus explains that the Holy Spirit is a Helper. A helper does not cancel the work. A helper helps us do the work. The Holy Spirit helps believers live the life Jesus taught.
Jesus then explains one of the Holy Spirit’s most important roles. He says, “But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you” (John 14:26, KJV).

This is very important. The Holy Spirit teaches, but He teaches what Jesus already said. He reminds believers of Jesus’ words. He does not bring a new or different message. He brings Jesus’ words back to the heart and mind again and again.
This makes something very clear. If the Spirit reminds us of Jesus’ words, then those words still matter. You do not remind someone of something that no longer applies. The Spirit works so that Jesus’ teachings remain alive inside the believer.
Jesus also explains that the Holy Spirit lives inside those who belong to Him. He says, “He dwelleth with you, and shall be in you” (John 14:17, KJV). This means obedience is not only outward. It is not just rules written outside of us. It becomes something written in the heart. The Holy Spirit works from the inside, shaping desire, conscience, and love, so that obeying Jesus is no longer forced, but becomes natural.

Jesus makes this even clearer when He speaks about remaining in Him. He says, “I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing” (John 15:5, KJV). The fruit comes from staying connected to Jesus. The Spirit is how Jesus remains with believers after He ascended to the Father. The fruit that comes is not lawlessness, but a life that reflects Jesus’ teachings.

Jesus then shows that obedience is the sign of this living connection. He says, “If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love” (John 15:10, KJV). The Holy Spirit does not remove commandments. The Holy Spirit helps believers remain in Jesus’ love as they walk in them.

Jesus also explains that the Spirit guides believers into truth. He says, “Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth” (John 16:13, KJV). Jesus is the truth, and His words are truth. The Spirit guides believers deeper into understanding and living what Jesus already taught, not away from it.

So when Jesus speaks about the Holy Spirit, He presents the Holy Spirit as a teacher, a helper, a reminder, and a guide. The Spirit works inside the believer to keep Jesus’ words alive, to shape love, and to empower obedience. The Holy Spirit is not freedom from Jesus’ commands. The Spirit is freedom to live them from the heart.

In this way, Jesus shows that true obedience is not about human effort alone. It is about a heart changed by God’s Holy Spirit, a heart that loves Jesus, remembers His words, and walks in them with joy.

Martin Luther is the name of the Holy Spirit

 

[4urenlightment]

Um, no, the "astral plane" is Eastern mysticism, not biblical Christianity. There is certainly figurative language in Scripture, but the basic meaning is available to even beginning readers.


What says "we can't take the scriptures literally"? Some passages we are to take literally, some we aren't. Context usually tells us which is which.


Again, "merge" is just the wrong word because we don't become one with the Holy Spirit. He fills us, but remains distinct.


Again, no. That's a reference to Revelation 5, where no-one except the Lamb of God is worthy to open the scroll.

There was once a time when Christians were into dreams. They used to talk on occasions to family and friends about their dreams they have had. But now it's considered as demonic or mystical to think of it as a way of communicating with the spiritual realm as if something is trying to stop all communication with these spirits in these realms.
Like Paul mentioned about John the revelator's experiences in these realms that only certain people can interpret what John saw.

Astral plane are levels of realms that are souls enters while the body is resting.
like in the Book of Job, that it says that there's a time when the sons of God meet with God, but they have changed it to angels meeting with God because they couldn't understand about how these sons met with God while in the physical form. And so they changed it to angels which they are only messengers/servants that only do what they are told to do.
But there's a time when our souls leave the body to meet up with God. But once we are back into the body, we have forgotten about the meeting. Like Jeremiah forgotten about God, that God knew Jeremiah before he was born means Jeremiah was once with God.

 

[Dino246]

There was once a time when Christians were into dreams. They used to talk on occasions to family and friends about their dreams they have had. But now it's considered as demonic or mystical to think of it as a way of communicating with the spiritual realm as if something is trying to stop all communication with these spirits in these realms.
Like Paul mentioned about John the revelator's experiences in these realms that only certain people can interpret what John saw.

Astral plane are levels of realms that are souls enters while the body is resting.
like in the Book of Job, that it says that there's a time when the sons of God meet with God, but they have changed it to angels meeting with God because they couldn't understand about how these sons met with God while in the physical form. And so they changed it to angels which they are only messengers/servants that only do what they are told to do.
But there's a time when our souls leave the body to meet up with God. But once we are back into the body, we have forgotten about the meeting. Like Jeremiah forgotten about God, that God knew Jeremiah before he was born means Jeremiah was once with God.

Our souls don’t leave our bodies and return; that’s more Eastern mysticism fostered by unclean spirits. The sons of God are spiritual beings, not humans who left their bodies. The term wasn’t changed to “angels” on an agenda, but on ignorance.

 

[4urenlightment]

Our souls don’t leave our bodies and return; that’s more Eastern mysticism fostered by unclean spirits. The sons of God are spiritual beings, not humans who left their bodies. The term wasn’t changed to “angels” on an agenda, but on ignorance.

Well, the scriptures were all found in the Middle east.

 

[Dino246]

Well, the scriptures were all found in the Middle east.

That’s the most ignorant argument I’ve heard in a long time.

“Eastern” as in much farther East: India, China, SE Asia, Japan.

If you think those beliefs are compatible with biblical Christianity, you don’t know enough about either.

 

[4urenlightment]

That’s the most ignorant argument I’ve heard in a long time.

“Eastern” as in much farther East: India, China, SE Asia, Japan.

If you think those beliefs are compatible with biblical Christianity, you don’t know enough about either.

They knew more about Jesus than what Herod knew of Him.
And I guess they were into mysticism like everybody in the east.

Matthew 2:1
After Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea, during the time of King Herod, Magi from the east came to Jerusalem

 

[Dino246]

They knew more about Jesus than what Herod knew of Him.
And I guess they were into mysticism like everybody in the east.

I shake my head.