The Holy Spirit Teaches Obedience, Not Lawlessness

[vassal]

The Holy Spirit Teaches Obedience, Not Lawlessness

Jesus never spoke of the Holy Spirit as replacing His commands. He spoke of the Spirit as the help God gives so that people can live those commands from the heart. The Spirit is not given to remove obedience, but to make obedience possible.

Jesus first connects the Holy Spirit directly to love and obedience. He says, “If ye love me, keep my commandments” (John 14:15, KJV). Right after saying this, He speaks about the Holy Spirit, saying, “And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth” (John 14:16–17, KJV). This shows that love, obedience, and the Holy Spirit belong together. Obedience is not something we do by our own strength alone. It flows from love, and that love is helped and grown by the Spirit God gives.

Jesus explains that the Holy Spirit is a Helper. A helper does not cancel the work. A helper helps us do the work. The Holy Spirit helps believers live the life Jesus taught.
Jesus then explains one of the Holy Spirit’s most important roles. He says, “But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you” (John 14:26, KJV).

This is very important. The Holy Spirit teaches, but He teaches what Jesus already said. He reminds believers of Jesus’ words. He does not bring a new or different message. He brings Jesus’ words back to the heart and mind again and again.
This makes something very clear. If the Spirit reminds us of Jesus’ words, then those words still matter. You do not remind someone of something that no longer applies. The Spirit works so that Jesus’ teachings remain alive inside the believer.
Jesus also explains that the Holy Spirit lives inside those who belong to Him. He says, “He dwelleth with you, and shall be in you” (John 14:17, KJV). This means obedience is not only outward. It is not just rules written outside of us. It becomes something written in the heart. The Holy Spirit works from the inside, shaping desire, conscience, and love, so that obeying Jesus is no longer forced, but becomes natural.

Jesus makes this even clearer when He speaks about remaining in Him. He says, “I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing” (John 15:5, KJV). The fruit comes from staying connected to Jesus. The Spirit is how Jesus remains with believers after He ascended to the Father. The fruit that comes is not lawlessness, but a life that reflects Jesus’ teachings.

Jesus then shows that obedience is the sign of this living connection. He says, “If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love” (John 15:10, KJV). The Holy Spirit does not remove commandments. The Holy Spirit helps believers remain in Jesus’ love as they walk in them.

Jesus also explains that the Spirit guides believers into truth. He says, “Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth” (John 16:13, KJV). Jesus is the truth, and His words are truth. The Spirit guides believers deeper into understanding and living what Jesus already taught, not away from it.

So when Jesus speaks about the Holy Spirit, He presents the Holy Spirit as a teacher, a helper, a reminder, and a guide. The Spirit works inside the believer to keep Jesus’ words alive, to shape love, and to empower obedience. The Holy Spirit is not freedom from Jesus’ commands. The Spirit is freedom to live them from the heart.

In this way, Jesus shows that true obedience is not about human effort alone. It is about a heart changed by God’s Holy Spirit, a heart that loves Jesus, remembers His words, and walks in them with joy.

 

[homwardbound]

Agreed, we all make many mistakes along the way. Those that do not quit, that continue in belief, trust to God, the Father in risen Son for them, see Farther does not ever leave or forsake them. These grow in the grace given them and leave bad things behind them, moving forward in doing new in love of God given them
okay, anyone reading this presently and have decided to believe God. I bet you can now look back and see bad things gone, that you used to do. That is God’s Holy Spirit working through you. So be humbly thankful to God for you. As you let go of the Old and grow new in love and mercy from God through Son given you
God loves us all through Son as risen, after the one time death took away sin first. Asking anyone to believe God for you in love and mercy to you. Isn’t that what everyone wants?
God does that through Son, thank you God.
i personally have never been loved this real by anyone else, even myself

 

[Dino246]

The Holy Spirit Teaches Obedience, Not Lawlessness

Fallacy: false dichotomy. You have completely misrepresented the position of those who disagree with you.

 

[vassal]

Fallacy: false dichotomy. You have completely misrepresented the position of those who disagree with you.

you and your "pals" do not disagree with Me but what Jesus was saying, that is the choice you make to ignore his words. all i wrote is from Jesus teachings and are his words.

show me where i misrepresented Jesus words or stop complaining.

 

[Dino246]

you and your "pals"

I don't have "pals"; I have brothers and sisters in Christ who resist the errors of the Judaizers represented by you and others.

do not disagree with Me but what Jesus was saying, that is the choice you make to ignore his words. all i wrote is from Jesus teachings and are his words.

Blah blah blah. Meaningless and irrelevant blather.

show me where i misrepresented Jesus words or stop complaining.

Aaaand you misrepresent my words. Did I say that you misrepresented Jesus' words? No! Don't be dense!

I said exactly what I meant: "You have completely misrepresented the position of those who disagree with you."

 

[Solitude]

I don't have "pals"; I have brothers and sisters in Christ who resist the errors of the Judaizers represented by you and others.


Blah blah blah. Meaningless and irrelevant blather.


Aaaand you misrepresent my words. Did I say that you misrepresented Jesus' words? No! Don't be dense!

I said exactly what I meant: "You have completely misrepresented the position of those who disagree with you."

I am about to prove it is you who is one of the Judaizers.

Do you believe a person must believe the sound doctrine of Jesus Christ if they are ever to get to heaven?

 

[Dino246]

Do you believe a person must believe the sound doctrine of Jesus Christ if they are ever to get to heaven?

I believe yours is a leading question carefully designed to trap me. I hold to what Scripture says:

John 6:29 “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”

Acts 2:38 “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins."

Galatians 2:16 "a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified."

Galatians 3:2-3 "I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard? 3 Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh?"

 

[Solitude]

I believe yours is a leading question carefully designed to trap me. I hold to what Scripture says:

John 6:29 “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”

Acts 2:38 “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins."

Galatians 2:16 "a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified."

Galatians 3:2-3 "I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard? 3 Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh?"

I got you trapped again.

 

[vassal]

I don't have "pals"; I have brothers and sisters in Christ who resist the errors of the Judaizers represented by you and others.


Blah blah blah. Meaningless and irrelevant blather.


Aaaand you misrepresent my words. Did I say that you misrepresented Jesus' words? No! Don't be dense!

I got you trapped again.

They are not your brothers and sisters if they keep you in the dark and on the wrong path. As expected, you cannot point out anything wrong with the original post. Since you have nothing real to criticize, do not bother me again or continue harassing me. I am not interested in your false doctrine, and the idea that I wrote the opening post about obedience and lawlessness to attack you or your friends is simply absurd. I did not write this for you or your group at all.

What I wrote comes directly from Jesus, from what He said and taught. It was never about you or your friends. For the last time, stop harassing me.

 

[vassal]

I got you trapped again.

He wont answer he is afraid his pals wont be happy...

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

The word translated obedience in the NT actually means hearkening.

G5218 ὑπακοή hupakoe (hïp-a-ko-ee') n.
1. attentive hearkening.

The word disobedience means disbelief

G543 ἀπείθεια apeitheia (a-pei'-thei-a) n.
disbelief (obstinate and rebellious).

 

[vassal]

I believe yours is a leading question carefully designed to trap me. I hold to what Scripture says:

John 6:29 “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”

Acts 2:38 “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins."

Galatians 2:16 "a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified."

Galatians 3:2-3 "I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard? 3 Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh?"

John 6:29
“The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”

Jesus:
“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.”
Matthew 7:21 (NKJV)

Acts 2:38
“Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins.”

Jesus:
“If you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”
Matthew 19:17 (NKJV)

Galatians 2:16
“A person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ…”

Jesus:
“If you know these things, blessed are you if you do them.”
John 13:17 (NKJV)

Galatians 3:2–3
“Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard?”

Jesus:
“If you love Me, keep My commandments. And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper.”
John 14:15–16 (NKJV)

if you tell me what the works of the law are and are correct, I will answer your question;
"Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard?”

 

[Dino246]

As expected, you cannot point out anything wrong with the original post.

Dude, can you even read? The title of the post is wrong; I told you that in post #3. I ignored all the blather you wrote after that.

Since you have nothing real to criticize, do not bother me again or continue harassing me. I am not interested in your false doctrine

Yawn.

and the idea that I wrote the opening post about obedience and lawlessness to attack you or your friends is simply absurd. I did not write this for you or your group at all.

No... apparently you can't read. I didn't claim that you did. You wrote it on a public forum, and I made clear that your foundational claim is unsound. Deal with it.

What I wrote comes directly from Jesus, from what He said and taught.

Now that is funny! Do you think you will escape judgment for your misrepresentation?

It was never about you or your friends. For the last time, stop harassing me.

How old are you? Do you think your "orders" mean anything at all? As long as you keep posting corruption in place of truth, I will address it.

 

[Dino246]

I got you trapped again.

The only thing you have trapped is your own mind in the mire of legalism.

 

[GWH]

The Holy Spirit Teaches Obedience, Not Lawlessness

Jesus never spoke of the Holy Spirit as replacing His commands. He spoke of the Spirit as the help God gives so that people can live those commands from the heart. The Spirit is not given to remove obedience, but to make obedience possible.

Jesus first connects the Holy Spirit directly to love and obedience. He says, “If ye love me, keep my commandments” (John 14:15, KJV). Right after saying this, He speaks about the Holy Spirit, saying, “And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth” (John 14:16–17, KJV). This shows that love, obedience, and the Holy Spirit belong together. Obedience is not something we do by our own strength alone. It flows from love, and that love is helped and grown by the Spirit God gives.

Jesus explains that the Holy Spirit is a Helper. A helper does not cancel the work. A helper helps us do the work. The Holy Spirit helps believers live the life Jesus taught.
Jesus then explains one of the Holy Spirit’s most important roles. He says, “But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you” (John 14:26, KJV).

This is very important. The Holy Spirit teaches, but He teaches what Jesus already said. He reminds believers of Jesus’ words. He does not bring a new or different message. He brings Jesus’ words back to the heart and mind again and again.
This makes something very clear. If the Spirit reminds us of Jesus’ words, then those words still matter. You do not remind someone of something that no longer applies. The Spirit works so that Jesus’ teachings remain alive inside the believer.
Jesus also explains that the Holy Spirit lives inside those who belong to Him. He says, “He dwelleth with you, and shall be in you” (John 14:17, KJV). This means obedience is not only outward. It is not just rules written outside of us. It becomes something written in the heart. The Holy Spirit works from the inside, shaping desire, conscience, and love, so that obeying Jesus is no longer forced, but becomes natural.

Jesus makes this even clearer when He speaks about remaining in Him. He says, “I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing” (John 15:5, KJV). The fruit comes from staying connected to Jesus. The Spirit is how Jesus remains with believers after He ascended to the Father. The fruit that comes is not lawlessness, but a life that reflects Jesus’ teachings.

Jesus then shows that obedience is the sign of this living connection. He says, “If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love” (John 15:10, KJV). The Holy Spirit does not remove commandments. The Holy Spirit helps believers remain in Jesus’ love as they walk in them.

Jesus also explains that the Spirit guides believers into truth. He says, “Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth” (John 16:13, KJV). Jesus is the truth, and His words are truth. The Spirit guides believers deeper into understanding and living what Jesus already taught, not away from it.

So when Jesus speaks about the Holy Spirit, He presents the Holy Spirit as a teacher, a helper, a reminder, and a guide. The Spirit works inside the believer to keep Jesus’ words alive, to shape love, and to empower obedience. The Holy Spirit is not freedom from Jesus’ commands. The Spirit is freedom to live them from the heart.

In this way, Jesus shows that true obedience is not about human effort alone. It is about a heart changed by God’s Holy Spirit, a heart that loves Jesus, remembers His words, and walks in them with joy.

The HS both reminds of what Jesus taught while on earth and teaches additional truths, such as what Paul wrote.

 

[vassal]

The only thing you have trapped is your own mind in the mire of legalism.

just remember it is by Jesus words that we shall all be judged and not Pauls, just saying...

Jesus was not for legalism for the sake of it, he came to change all of this but you do not understand this and cannot, it is by design but things can change if you seek Jesus and listen to him but will you or do you still think all he naif about how we can have eternal Life, old and no longer applicable? can Jesus, the son of God and the 12 been wrong all along,? and only Paul have the true and gospel?

so you never read the post and you criticize it? are you afraid other what jesus said and why. this is what i was telling about you criticize a post you never read, = HARASSMENT < MY LAST WARNING TO YOU BEFORE IN INVOLVE ADMIN>.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

just remember it is by Jesus words that we shall all be judged and not Pauls, just saying...

Also remember it is by Jesus' words that we shall all be judged and not Moses'

 

[Dino246]

so you never read the post and you criticize it? are you afraid other what jesus said and why. this is what i was telling about you criticize a post you never read

I criticized the title because the title is wrong. Deal with it.

HARASSMENT < MY LAST WARNING TO YOU BEFORE IN INVOLVE ADMIN>.

Yawn. You clearly don’t understand how a public forum works.

 

[vassal]

I criticized the title because the title is wrong. Deal with it.


Yawn. You clearly don’t understand how a public forum works.

is harassment of it's members allowed? you do not address the O.P and never did here since you admitted not reading it but you continually harass me because you hate what I write about what Jesus said using his own words. we so not agree on the same doctrines but harassing. no one is forcing you to remain on this thread.

@Oncefallen Could you please tell this person to stop harassing me on this thread and others? he is not addressing the opening post and he admits never have read it "" from post 11:"
""Dude, can you even read? The title of the post is wrong; I told you that in post #3. I ignored all the blather you wrote after that."

I have told him to stop but he is relentless and still and continues to call me names. I did ask him to provide his grievances about the O.P. but he remains silent. when @Dino246 does not like someone for saying differently from him he goes for it and causes a lot of trouble, as for an example, this thread he killed it and I think this is his goal so silence people he does not agree with.

here is another example of what ihave do endure;

post no 6:"

"I am about to prove it is you who is one of the Judaizers. "

That man had a clear agenda, to cause trouble and for me to leave this forum.

 

[Eli1]

@vassal i read your OP and I agree with you in your overall point despite some minor details.

Your overall point touches upon a topic which is discussed eternally with no answer similar to other topics like free will or OSAS.

Some people will disagree with your topic because they see it as some sort of “work” - wherever that means - if they even know how to describe what “work” means.

The point here is that you should be at peace with different views and groups because they have always existed, exist and will exist in the future.

God bless you.