The Holy Spirit/God's Word

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studier said:
And what contextually was Jesus talking about when He spoke of the specific blasphemy - what was the Spirit doing?
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I do not understand the question.
Slandering the Spirit of the Father is what ever evil you accuse it of.
I am not a trinity believer. God is Spirit and the Holy Spirit is the ONE spirit from the Father, the ONE spirit the Father put back into Christ to raise Him from death, back to Spirit. The One Spirit imparts life eternal.
 
memberofthebride said:
I do not understand the question.
Slandering the Spirit of the Father is what ever evil you accuse it of.
I am not a trinity believer. God is Spirit and the Holy Spirit is the ONE spirit from the Father, the ONE spirit the Father put back into Christ to raise Him from death, back to Spirit. The One Spirit imparts life eternal.
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The post you originally commented on pertains to the contextual meaning of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit in Matt12:31; Mark3:29; Luke12:10.

The discussion was whether this Scripture has a broad meaning or is focused in a specific time in specific circumstances.
 
studier said:
The post you originally commented on pertains to the contextual meaning of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit in Matt12:31; Mark3:29; Luke12:10.

The discussion was whether this Scripture has a broad meaning or is focused in a specific time in specific circumstances.
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It is Both
 
GWH said:
Thousands?! Why not share just one then for us to consider in context?
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total depravity ok so because of the fall every aspect of human nature is corrupted including mind emotions and will.
 
Jordon said:
total depravity ok so because of the fall every aspect of human nature is corrupted including mind emotions and will.
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Of course souls are sinners/corrupt, but they are not totally depraved or completely unwilling to repent/seek until their heart is calloused per Jesus (Matt. 13:14-15) and Paul (Acts 28:26-27).
 
GWH said:
Of course souls are sinners/corrupt, but they are not totally depraved or completely unwilling to repent/seek until their heart is calloused per Jesus (Matt. 13:14-15) and Paul (Acts 28:26-27).
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I believe representing being depraved in spirit by tickling ears of the flesh in favour of how the word hear is used, isn't wise, especially when it's not to difficult to understand that when the word teaches a person doesn't hear it is simply because they didn't listen.

The argument you propose is not representing the true meaning of depraved in spirit, it's only representing an emotional response made by many people here.
 
Jordon said:
I believe representing being depraved in spirit by tickling ears of the flesh in favour of how the word hear is used, isn't wise, especially when it's not to difficult to understand that when the word teaches a person doesn't hear it is simply because they didn't listen.

The argument you propose is not representing the true meaning of depraved in spirit, it's only representing an emotional response made by many people here.
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Yes, it's not difficult to understand that when GW teaches a person doesn't hear, it is simply because they chose not to listen,
and conversely, even though sinful/corrupt.
Choose not to listen long enough and the ears become calloused; Today becomes tomorrow--a day too late (Heb. 3:7-19).
 
GWH said:
Yes, it's not difficult to understand that when GW teaches a person doesn't hear, it is simply because they chose not to listen,
and conversely, even though sinful/corrupt.
Choose not to listen long enough and the ears become calloused; Today becomes tomorrow--a day too late (Heb. 3:7-19).
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It is difficult for you to understand because once again you've not listened, I don't mean to be harsh with you but you do show a high level of incoherence.

As again your using your own understanding of simple things like how you can choose and hear, to be above the understanding that the human spirit is separated from God in man, and needs the spirit there in there hearts before they can even hear and respond.

Even If your lost and separated and you recall a memory of a previous message that was spoken in your heart to seek the lord, the choice you make is because that message was tied in your heart by God the father in the first place.
 
Jordon said:
It is difficult for you to understand because once again you've not listened, I don't mean to be harsh with you but you do show a high level of incoherence.

As again your using your own understanding of simple things like how you can choose and hear, to be above the understanding that the human spirit is separated from God in man, and needs the spirit there in there hearts before they can even hear and respond.

Even If your lost and separated and you recall a memory of a previous message that was spoken in your heart to seek the lord, the choice you make is because that message was tied in your heart by God the father in the first place.
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Yes, I guess you are either over my head or too deep for me to understand, but we both utilize our own understanding.
Again I remind you that you do not have papal infallibility. And again I cite GW that informs my opinion/belief God loves and wants to save everyone:

1John 4:7-12, Rom. 5:8, Matt. 5:44&48, Gal. 5:6&14, Eph. 3:17b-19, Eph. 5:2 and 1Tim. 2:3-4, which might be deemed the “7 pearls”. Christ died to show God’s love and the possible salvation of all (Rom. 5:6-8) including His enemies: those who are ungodly, atheist, anti-Christ, pseudo-Christian (Matt. 7:21, John 8:42-44). God is just (2Thes. 1:6a, cf. Rom. 3:25-26 & 9:14, Deut. 32:4, Psa. 36:6, Luke 11:42, Rev. 15:3). Explanations of God’s Word should not impugn God’s justice and love for all people (Joel 2:13, John 3:16). This parameter is affirmed in the OT (Psa. 145:17): “The Lord is righteous in all his ways, and holy in all his works.”

Whereas you cite nothing that refutes these Scriptures, which is the ultimate in callousness and incoherence.
 
GWH said:
Yes, I guess you are either over my head or too deep for me to understand, but we both utilize our own understanding.
Again I remind you that you do not have papal infallibility. And again I cite GW that informs my opinion/belief God loves and wants to save everyone:

1John 4:7-12, Rom. 5:8, Matt. 5:44&48, Gal. 5:6&14, Eph. 3:17b-19, Eph. 5:2 and 1Tim. 2:3-4, which might be deemed the “7 pearls”. Christ died to show God’s love and the possible salvation of all (Rom. 5:6-8) including His enemies: those who are ungodly, atheist, anti-Christ, pseudo-Christian (Matt. 7:21, John 8:42-44). God is just (2Thes. 1:6a, cf. Rom. 3:25-26 & 9:14, Deut. 32:4, Psa. 36:6, Luke 11:42, Rev. 15:3). Explanations of God’s Word should not impugn God’s justice and love for all people (Joel 2:13, John 3:16). This parameter is affirmed in the OT (Psa. 145:17): “The Lord is righteous in all his ways, and holy in all his works.”

Whereas you cite nothing that refutes these Scriptures, which is the ultimate in callousness and incoherence.
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See your just stuck in a bubble on a one track pony leading by emotional upset ☹️

Probably inflicted upon yourself by yourself, unfortunately it's deeply rooted in you, because your love you have for God and how kind he is, can not undermine yourself reasoning, that somehow because God is so nice to you, it has rule out every aspect of what he doesn't do in others, 3 times in a rows you've appealed to morality of Goodness to favour your bias.

No good person really likes to disclose the way in which God does and can pass judgment, but because your always emphasizing points of view on the bases that somehow people who talk in an authoritive way about God are somehow making Goodness looking bad, you then just keep displaying these emotional responses all the time, it's only yourself who is forcing these responses from people in the first place, with your thousands upon thousands of insinuations, that people speaking in an authoritative way, are leading people astray, love is not just kind but it's blind in this case, when you act like this.
 
Jordon said:
See your just stuck in a bubble on a one track pony leading by emotional upset ☹️

Probably inflicted upon yourself by yourself, unfortunately it's deeply rooted in you, because your love you have for God and how kind he is, can not undermine yourself reasoning, that somehow because God is so nice to you, it has rule out every aspect of what he doesn't do in others, 3 times in a rows you've appealed to morality of Goodness to favour your bias.

No good person really likes to disclose the way in which God does and can pass judgment, but because your always emphasizing points of view on the bases that somehow people who talk in an authoritive way about God are somehow making Goodness looking bad, you then just keep displaying these emotional responses all the time, it's only yourself who is forcing these responses from people in the first place, with your thousands upon thousands of insinuations, that people speaking in an authoritative way, are leading people astray, love is not just kind but it's blind in this case, when you act like this.
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Yes, I am guilty of believing in a loving and just God, but that is because of the Scriptures I cited (1John 4:7-12, Rom. 5:8, Matt. 5:44&48, Gal. 5:6&14, Eph. 3:17b-19, Eph. 5:2 and 1Tim. 2:3-4, which might be deemed the “7 pearls”. Christ died to show God’s love and the possible salvation of all (Rom. 5:6-8) including His enemies: those who are ungodly, atheist, anti-Christ, pseudo-Christian (Matt. 7:21, John 8:42-44). God is just (2Thes. 1:6a, cf. Rom. 3:25-26 & 9:14, Deut. 32:4, Psa. 36:6, Luke 11:42, Rev. 15:3). Explanations of God’s Word should not impugn God’s justice and love for all people (Joel 2:13, John 3:16). This parameter is affirmed in the OT (Psa. 145:17): “The Lord is righteous in all his ways, and holy in all his works.”)

Perhaps the reason you reject them is because of your opposite bias? For which I do not see you citing one Scripture as support.

And I have explained the way God judges fairly, which apparently your blinders prevent you from seeing. It is in the Apologetics thread, but I can post it here also if you desire.
 
GWH said:
Yes, I am guilty of believing in a loving and just God, but that is because of the Scriptures I cited (1John 4:7-12, Rom. 5:8, Matt. 5:44&48, Gal. 5:6&14, Eph. 3:17b-19, Eph. 5:2 and 1Tim. 2:3-4, which might be deemed the “7 pearls”. Christ died to show God’s love and the possible salvation of all (Rom. 5:6-8) including His enemies: those who are ungodly, atheist, anti-Christ, pseudo-Christian (Matt. 7:21, John 8:42-44). God is just (2Thes. 1:6a, cf. Rom. 3:25-26 & 9:14, Deut. 32:4, Psa. 36:6, Luke 11:42, Rev. 15:3). Explanations of God’s Word should not impugn God’s justice and love for all people (Joel 2:13, John 3:16). This parameter is affirmed in the OT (Psa. 145:17): “The Lord is righteous in all his ways, and holy in all his works.”)

Perhaps the reason you reject them is because of your opposite bias? For which I do not see you citing one Scripture as support.

And I have explained the way God judges fairly, which apparently your blinders prevent you from seeing. It is in the Apologetics thread, but I can post it here also if you desire.
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Yep your over reactive conscience all tho clearly not guilty on many occasions is more over the top sensitive to human compassion than it is for his true written word.

And the reality is once again you have ignored the scripture I have posted you in favour of human compassion, it's as I said it was, due to the fall, every aspect of mans nature was corrupted, including your will and the emotionalism you display here,
 
GWH said:
Jesus said that all sin is forgivable except blasphemy against the HS (Matt. 12:31), which in context seems to mean attributing evil to God (Matt. 12:24-32). Such blasphemy is akin to calling good evil and evil good (Isa. 5:20, cf. Heb. 5:14).

Paul indicated (in Heb. 6:4-6) that apostasy is also unforgiveable, because the person who commits that sin will never repent (cf. Heb. 12:17). Such a person is completely corrupt, totally depraved, demonized and self-condemned (Tit. 3:11, John 3:19-20, 8:42-44, cf. Rom. 14:22).

The crucial choice is between belief in Jesus as Messiah and blasphemy (attributing unrighteous hatred to God's loving HS)
or apostasy (reverting to idolizing the evil spirit of Satan, cf. John 8:42-44).
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In Eph. 6:18 Paul instructs believers to “pray in the Spirit”, so the doctrines of the HS and Prayer are closely related.

Jesus taught believers to pray to God “our Father in heaven” (in Matthew 6:9a, cf. Luke 11:2-4). Addressing God as our heavenly Father connotes that we who pray are children of God, reborn of the Spirit (John 3:3-8) through union by Faith with God’s Son (Rom. 8:9-17, 1John 5:1-6).

James 2:19 says demons or ungodly souls may believe in God’s existence, so perhaps they might address God in order to curse Him (Job 2:9, cf. John 17:1).

Jesus prayed for the Kingdom of God (KOG) or God’s will to be done on earth as it is in heaven, referring to the reign of His Spirit in the hearts of believers (Luke 17:20b-21). The KOG is manifested in the world as salt and light or as love and truth (cf. TOJ #19), which is the HS (Rom. 5:5, 1John 5:6). Examples of reflecting the HS’s love are mentioned in the Parable of the Sheep and Goats (Matt. 25:31-46, TOJ #35).

In the writings of Paul, the KOG is called the body (1Cor. 12:13, Eph. 1:23 & 5:30) or church of Christ (Col. 1:13 & 18, Eph. 2:22, 3:10 & 5:23), into which believers are baptized by the HS (1Cor. 12:13).
 
GWH said:
In Eph. 6:18 Paul instructs believers to “pray in the Spirit”, so the doctrines of the HS and Prayer are closely related.

Jesus taught believers to pray to God “our Father in heaven” (in Matthew 6:9a, cf. Luke 11:2-4). Addressing God as our heavenly Father connotes that we who pray are children of God, reborn of the Spirit (John 3:3-8) through union by Faith with God’s Son (Rom. 8:9-17, 1John 5:1-6).

James 2:19 says demons or ungodly souls may believe in God’s existence, so perhaps they might address God in order to curse Him (Job 2:9, cf. John 17:1).

Jesus prayed for the Kingdom of God (KOG) or God’s will to be done on earth as it is in heaven, referring to the reign of His Spirit in the hearts of believers (Luke 17:20b-21). The KOG is manifested in the world as salt and light or as love and truth (cf. TOJ #19), which is the HS (Rom. 5:5, 1John 5:6). Examples of reflecting the HS’s love are mentioned in the Parable of the Sheep and Goats (Matt. 25:31-46, TOJ #35).

In the writings of Paul, the KOG is called the body (1Cor. 12:13, Eph. 1:23 & 5:30) or church of Christ (Col. 1:13 & 18, Eph. 2:22, 3:10 & 5:23), into which believers are baptized by the HS (1Cor. 12:13).
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If we are to pray in the spirit which you think is love why didn't he say pray with love?

Praying in the spirit would be JESUS praying through us, praying with love would be us praying with our own knowledge.

Praying in the spirit is JESUS helping, we have no idea what we are praying for but the words we are using are doing something in the spirit realm.

Praying with love, we know every word we say and no help in the spirit realm.
 
Ouch said:
If we are to pray in the spirit which you think is love why didn't he say pray with love?

Praying in the spirit would be JESUS praying through us, praying with love would be us praying with our own knowledge.

Praying in the spirit is JESUS helping, we have no idea what we are praying for but the words we are using are doing something in the spirit realm.

Praying with love, we know every word we say and no help in the spirit realm.
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He said God is love (Rom. 5:5, 1John 4:8), so yes, we pray/speak (Eph. 4:15) in accordance with God's Word/will/love (Matt. 6:10).
 
Egad. Jesus hellfire, so there is a branch of theology called pneumatology which proceeds to talk about the holy Ghost, the Advocate paraclete; his wonderful counsel, many different ideas but the same winged dove descending in light to say to Jesus that he has been baptized, by John the Baptist.
 
Tex_MidwesternerNW said:
Egad. Jesus hellfire, so there is a branch of theology called pneumatology which proceeds to talk about the holy Ghost, the Advocate paraclete; his wonderful counsel, many different ideas but the same winged dove descending in light to say to Jesus that he has been baptized, by John the Baptist.
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Yes, theology, the study of God, can be divided into pneumatology, Christology, soteriology, eschatology, ecclesiology, anthropology, etc.
 
GWH said:
Yes, theology, the study of God, can be divided into pneumatology, Christology, soteriology, eschatology, ecclesiology, anthropology, etc.
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Division of practical labor aside, the Spirit is like a messenger service. Spirit Might Say.
 
The Dove encircled with burning fire is his Symbolic Gesture. The Law is not known to a Dove.20260103_055030-IMG_STYLE.jpg
 
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