Going to Hell

[Gideon300]

Point out scripture stating we are immortals, that we have right now eternal life.

I rely only on God's Word.

Ecclesiastes 3

19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all [is] vanity.

20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.

9: 5For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

9:10 Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do [it] with thy might; for [there is] no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.

If unbeliever are in hell right, now that means God is very very weak, as that would mean at least 90 % of all that have been born are in Hell. From creation until Christ came the first time maybe less then 1000 were of GOD, prove otherwise from the Old Testament.

that could possibly be in the 100's billions in this fictitious hell over the span of 6000 years, not a great success rate! Plus God has said HE wants all to have eternal life.

if God is mercy how could he punish men whom Christ said there is not one good, ever!

Quit listening to the Catholic's, this is where 90% of what the 40,000 believe came from.

I've never listened to Catholics on any matter of doctrine. I've examined universal salvation and annihilation of the soul. I have come to my conclusions according to God's word. Jesus Himself said that few find the narrow road to life. According to surveys, around 4% of church attenders are born again. Billy Graham said he would be delighted if 4% of those who made decisions in his crusades were truly saved.

I won't talk about percentages. That anyone at all is saved is because of God's amazing love and the willing sacrifice of Jesus at Calvary.

Your comment about the OT is ignorant. God rebuked Elijah when he claimed that he was the only faithful one. God told him that He had 7,000 who had not bowed the knee to Baal.

The fundamental problem of humanity is not that they sin. Sin can be forgiven. It is that humanity is dead to God. Hell is not so much a destination as a spiritual condition. When Adam sinned, he died spiritually. He and Eve were evicted from Eden. There is no way back - God sent a guard to keep man from the tree of life. Now spiritual life is only available through Christ. "He who has the Son has the Life." Otherwise, we are dead in trespass and sin. God is no more going to have dead people in heaven than we would allow a dead body to remain in our own home.

 

[memberofthebride]

I've never listened to Catholics on any matter of doctrine. I've examined universal salvation and annihilation of the soul. I have come to my conclusions according to God's word. Jesus Himself said that few find the narrow road to life. According to surveys, around 4% of church attenders are born again. Billy Graham said he would be delighted if 4% of those who made decisions in his crusades were truly saved.

I won't talk about percentages. That anyone at all is saved is because of God's amazing love and the willing sacrifice of Jesus at Calvary.

Your comment about the OT is ignorant. God rebuked Elijah when he claimed that he was the only faithful one. God told him that He had 7,000 who had not bowed the knee to Baal.

The fundamental problem of humanity is not that they sin. Sin can be forgiven. It is that humanity is dead to God. Hell is not so much a destination as a spiritual condition. When Adam sinned, he died spiritually. He and Eve were evicted from Eden. There is no way back - God sent a guard to keep man from the tree of life. Now spiritual life is only available through Christ. "He who has the Son has the Life." Otherwise, we are dead in trespass and sin. God is no more going to have dead people in heaven than we would allow a dead body to remain in our own home.

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the 7000 that had not worship Baal, does not mean they had God's spirit, I will stick with under 1000, David had the spirit, Saul had it until he began to disobey and it was taken from him. only a few had Gods Holy spirit.

After John the Baptist died, Jesus Christ was the only one on earth that had the Holy Spirit in Him. and no others until Pentecost when the 120 received the Father's spirit.

 

[Gideon300]

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the 7000 that had not worship Baal, does not mean they had God's spirit, I will stick with under 1000, David had the spirit, Saul had it until he began to disobey and it was taken from him. only a few had Gods Holy spirit.

After John the Baptist died, Jesus Christ was the only one on earth that had the Holy Spirit in Him. and no others until Pentecost when the 120 received the Father's spirit.

Baloney. How about Simeon? Luke 2:29. How about Elizabeth. Mary? She sure had an encounter with the Holy Spirit. You don't know who had the Spirit and who did not. The Bible talks of various judges, leaders, priests, servants and prophets. Just because they are not mentioned does not mean none of them had the Spirit.

 

[Blade]

its threads like this that.. well you wanna say "no I am not one of those "Christians" just a follower of Jesus Christ". Do we understand who created everything.. you know without Him nothing was made that is made? So God created them.. For God so loved the world first before we loved Him. Yet some talk about (forgive me Father) hell who is going and who is not. Yeah its not your family were talking about mom dad spouse brother sisters so forth its always someone else's kids yet they belong to a GOD.. were created by GOD.

Being racist Jew hater.... what gets you in is believing in trusting Jesus Christ John 3:16-17 Rom 10:9-10. Freely knowing who Jesus Christ is.. knowing He is the way the truth and the life.. knowing Satan is real knowing you will be forever away from the Father forever... and then you freely reject what Jesus Christ did.. rejecting Jesus keeps you out. But few know this road.

Does it matter that Christ had not even died rose yet.. still living by under the Law when He talked about wide road vs narrow? Ooh your on the wide road.. guess you rejected Jesus Christ as lord .. that's that wide road means right?

Again .. this is milk.. what gets you in is John 3:16-17 Rom 10:9-10. Theres is no only if .. or but you have to LOVE Israel or can't be blah blah blah. Were told to love the lord our God with all our heart, mind soul and love your neighbor as your self. If you can't "love" (look up the bible definition) someone you see ..yet you think and believe you just love JESUS right? This is where we fall face down and cry out and praise, worship Him because no matter what we do think say .. He will keep His word to us.

Then we don't really believe this. Really? Out side, School, Work, Play you name it and we pass by get passed by people we don't know at all and we believe if that person right next to us.. does not know Jesus they are lost forever? So you believe "we" could be the last JESUS they will ever see or hear and we said nothing. If the fields were white ready to harvest....what are they now? Pffft.. forgive me.. hell gets toss around so much and its not our creation .. nor our kids.. as if God feels what nothing? I just last week I think a Christian video the guy was talking about something I did not agree with yet.. so many posts .. PLEASE pray for J&L or my kids or my family.. so many posts about all those that didn't know JESUS. Hurts us when we know our kids living a life not for Christ and it hurts.. and we stay up hours and hours weeks days years..... and yet GOD feels what when we talk about His creation He came and died for.. drama much? Na I don't think I am lol... He said if you were blind you would have no sin. You say you see your sin remains. I use that hoping praying most are blind to who He really is..

And the song.. that prays believes for at the time it was 7 billion .. would come to know Christ. I agree in Jesus name.. not here to offend.. but if people going to Hell really bothers you.. then do something.. and no you don't need to make a video.. about it.. just give HIm all the glory

 

[HigherGospel]

You have only a shallow understanding of the gospel. "Higher"? Not so.

You overlook the fact that Jesus is the Word of God. You replace the Living Word with the written word. You overlook the fact that Jesus is the Truth. The written Word should lead us to the Living Word. The written word is our safety net to keep us from error.

You make the Pharisee's mistake: John 5:39 & 40 "You search the Scriptures because you presume that by them you possess eternal life. These are the very words that testify about Me, yet you refuse to come to Me to have life.…"

Sure, you declare the Lord Jesus, but you put conditions on salvation that are contrary to God's word. Yes, you can "search the scriptures" to find verses that prop up your point of view. But you also fail to express the truths that don't fit in with your understanding.

It's always sad to hear people such as yourself who claim to be Christian and claim Jesus is a liar.

Jesus said the words I speak to you are spirit and life (John 6:63) and it's the Lord that commissioned His Word to be put in to written form which does not lessen the power of His Word.

Those that reject the written Word reject the leading of the Holy Spirit that Jesus sent to lead and guide us in to ALL Truth (John 16:13), and Jesus said God's Word IS Truth (John 17:17)

To be carnally minded is death (separated from the Lord), so the path of deception you are on ends very badly. Enjoy!

 

[Gideon300]

It's always sad to hear people such as yourself who claim to be Christian and claim Jesus is a liar.

Jesus said the words I speak to you are spirit and life (John 6:63) and it's the Lord that commissioned His Word to be put in to written form which does not lessen the power of His Word.

Those that reject the written Word reject the leading of the Holy Spirit that Jesus sent to lead and guide us in to ALL Truth (John 16:13), and Jesus said God's Word IS Truth (John 17:17)

To be carnally minded is death (separated from the Lord), so the path of deception you are on ends very badly. Enjoy!

You have no idea about me or my journey with Christ. You are full of pride and you are insensitive to the Holy Spirit. Some people on the forum recognise Jesus in me. Others, like you, do not. It's your loss.

 

[Jordon]

To be carnally minded is death (separated from the Lord), so the path of deception you are on ends very badly. Enjoy!

I suppose some people have to get there kicks

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

Blahaha!
Those who believe that the Earth is shaped like pizza are condemned to Hell?

I wonder if Jesus ever ran into one of the misguided pizza earthers while here?
I don't remember reading about Him correcting anyone about how He made it a global shape, BUT I did read a chapter or two His rebuke of those Pharisees that taught others they'd be judged by their obedience to keeping the law aka "turn from your sins."

18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
John 3

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

I could only take about 5 mins of the guy. I checked out his website. Appears to be a street minister in Portland OR. Most of his stuff is on video; it's always hard to get to know what somebody's about from that format.

He explained what he thinks gets someone condemned. I guess he thinks you got to turn from the sins of thinking that the government and media lies.

Example of those clearly condemned.
(Just the first 45 seconds.)

When a Tennessee soul winner knocks on this guy's door to tell him about Jesus Christ, he's going to FIRST need to unravel all those silly beliefs about the JFK Assassination, Artificial Sweetener. After he repents of those, then maybe God will save him.

 

[Ouch]

This guy makes a great argument from scripture that Conspiracy Theorists Are Going to Hell

Too bad for Candace Owens and all the racist Jew hater that follow her View attachment 283220

It's 1 Hr long, can you share the high points.

All I know is if we are not reborn, believe, repent, baptized in JESUS name and JESUS has filled us with HIS spirit then we are not reborn.

His rules not mine, John 3:5 Acts 2:38 any problem with HIS rules is between you and HIM.

I do believe we can be reborn and still deal with sin whatever it is and still be saved but parts of us have to die daily, we can't just stay who we were.

I have no idea what happen with Candace Owens, BUT GOD loves her as much as HE love us she can repent!!!

 

[memberofthebride]

He explained what he thinks gets someone condemned. I guess he thinks you got to turn from the sins of thinking that the government and media lies.

Example of those clearly condemned.
(Just the first 45 seconds.)

When a Tennessee soul winner knocks on this guy's door to tell him about Jesus Christ, he's going to FIRST need to unravel all those silly beliefs about the JFK Assassination, Artificial Sweetener. After he repents of those, then maybe God will save him.

Well, you are a liberal, no doubt.. Have you not read, governments of men are evil, they lie, steal and murder which is why when Christ returns HE will destroy all governments of men.

and you must know nothing about weapons-- "silly beliefs about the JFK Assassination"

 

[mailmandan]

I suppose some people have to get there kicks

Some people (particularly trolls and agitators) need to find a better hobby.

 

[Jordon]

Some people (particularly trolls and agitators) need to find a better hobby.

It's sad it really is.

The way people get spoke to here by people behaving like they know it all.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Based on the posts in this thread I would have to conclude that this guy is a nut job.

No, not really. You need to listen all the way through. He may be leaning a little to hard on the hell idea but he has a good point in what he is saying.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

I listened to video, I had to switch it of after ten minutes, his whole agenda was against sinners in particular flat earthers, which I hardly think warranted him deciding whether someone led to believe the earth is flat warrants his complete annihilation of that person in Terms of condemning them to hell, only God can decide that.

I get the impression he been arguing against flat earthers in such away for far to long hes now at the stage or forcing his will over a another persons will, and I can think of far worse things to get upset about than a flat earth, hes obviously impatient and immature in dealing with circumstances

You didn't listen to the video if you only listened to ten minutes of it. He makes several good points.

 

[Jordon]

You didn't listen to the video if you only listened to ten minutes of it. He makes several good points.

Err well in my view perhaps people going to hell shouldn't be aimed or people believing the earth is flat and perhaps aimed at people condemning Christians to hell like @HigherGospel who has condemned @Gideon300 to hell, and I've read enough of Gideons posts to know he has a good faith

Jesus declares anyone who destroys the temple where the spirit resides will be destroyed,

No sorry, but highergospel is a first class hypocrite

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Err well in my view perhaps people going to hell shouldn't be aimed or people believing the earth is flat and perhaps aimed at people condemning Christians to hell like @HigherGospel who has condemned @Gideon300 to hell, and I've read enough of Gideons posts to know he has a good faith

Jesus declares anyone who destroys the temple where the spirit resides will be destroyed,

No sorry, but highergospel is a first class hypocrite

Well I don't have a dog in that fight. I've known brother Gideon over the years we have been on CC and believe is sincere and well spoken and I see nothing to indicate he isn't a born again believer in Christ. All I am saying is the video makes some good points while possibly leaning too hard on the "going to hell" idea. Though I do have my doubts about certain popular podcasters lately.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

It's 1 Hr long, can you share the high points.

All I know is if we are not reborn, believe, repent, baptized in JESUS name and JESUS has filled us with HIS spirit then we are not reborn.

His rules not mine, John 3:5 Acts 2:38 any problem with HIS rules is between you and HIM.

I do believe we can be reborn and still deal with sin whatever it is and still be saved but parts of us have to die daily, we can't just stay who we were.

I have no idea what happen with Candace Owens, BUT GOD loves her as much as HE love us she can repent!!!

Yes, she can repent, but will she? She seems pretty wrapped up in her new self. And then there are all the people she led astray.

 

[Jordon]

Well I don't have a dog in that fight. I've known brother Gideon over the years we have been on CC and believe is sincere and well spoken and I see nothing to indicate he isn't a born again believer in Christ. All I am saying is the video makes some good points while possibly leaning too hard on the "going to hell" idea. Though I do have my doubts about certain popular podcasters lately.

Im not sure people will listen to lesser sins being spoken of more harshly for far to long, I did my best for ten mins tho

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Im not sure people will listen to lesser sins being spoken of more harshly for far to long, I did my best for ten mins tho

I get it, there are videos where I didn't hang in even that long.