Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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rogerg said:
Yes, and not just me but a multitude that no man could number - not because of our righteousness, but because of Christ's.
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If you were righteous?
You would not need salvation to begin with.
Everyone He saves is unrighteous when He saves them.
 
Rufus said:
The "all people" in the context of the epistle are Gentiles! Therefore, "all" is used in a qualified (limited) sense, cf. 2:7, since God's commission to Paul was geared specifically to only the Gentiles (Gal 2:7-10).
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He went to the Gentiles.
Yet, Jews were often there to listen in.

Just the same.... Paul was to be all things to all men.
To the Jew he was a Jew. 1 Corinthians 9:20


All people, means... 'All people."'
It really does...

That is?
Unless you need to spin the truth because it roadblocks the false teaching you are trying to smuggle through.

Those who habitually push false doctrine are spiritual contraband smugglers.
They want to sneak it through, saying it is something else.

You are not getting away with anything.
God is simply patient, and giving you more time.

In Christ, GeneZ
 
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Rufus said:
You're talking out of both sides of your mouth. Earlier you clearly stated that God designed grace to have more than one mission. One of those missions has to be that gazillions of people categorically reject the message of life.

And, yes, there are only two kinds of grace in his world: Common Grace that generally BENEFITS all mankind (and this would include God's Restraining Grace) and Saving Grace that BENEFITS all of Abraham's spiritual descendants whom God predestined in Christ in eternity.

And no, believing does not come from us because the ungodly world naturally hates God. And no one is going to trust or believe in anyone they hate.
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There are not different types, only different measures. This whole common grace and saving grace is man's invention. The Bible only speaks of grace or more grace.

I am not speaking out of two sides of my mouth, you simply don't get what I'm saying because you don't want to believe what I say is true.

You may have always hated God but I don't remember a time when I did not love the One before me, I simply had no idea who He was and so He was very confusing as I had no reference until I found a bible in our house. Even then, in some ways, it only made things more confusing but at least I knew He was the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. All I knew is that I wanted to know Him like David knew Him.

You have your belief system and I am not going to change it so I see no point in continuing.

grace and peace.
 
rogerg said:
No, you can't. God first makes the spiritually dead spiritually alive and along with that gives them spiritual sight, spiritual hearing, and a renewed mind, and writes His spiritual laws into their hearts.
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You just do not know how He does it.
And, have settled for the quick fix solution that is false.
When you still need to find a good answer, settling for dogma.... is religion, not faith.
 
sawdust said:
There are not different types, only different measures. This whole common grace and saving grace is man's invention. The Bible only speaks of grace or more grace.

I am not speaking out of two sides of my mouth, you simply don't get what I'm saying because you don't want to believe what I say is true.

You may have always hated God but I don't remember a time when I did not love the One before me, I simply had no idea who He was and so He was very confusing as I had no reference until I found a bible in our house. Even then, in some ways, it only made things more confusing but at least I knew He was the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. All I knew is that I wanted to know Him like David knew Him.

You have your belief system and I am not going to change it so I see no point in continuing.

grace and peace.
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This is a personalised testimony as to why you believe, but the truth is the word, his word was left so you could read, and as you read his word, which is alive and active, not only can his word change your heart, which it needs to before you can believe, but for whomever his word changes there heart his word also makes them believe

As his word declares he makes me lie down in pastures new.

and also why are you contradicting people with there own belief system, that's not very nice,
 
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brightfame52 said:
It seems to me that you wont receive scripture testimony, which is the Gospel is hid to the lost 2 Cor 4:3-4
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Since you are unable to present Scripture that plainly claims what you are trying to make people believe it does I am not worried because it's obvious that the only one not understanding Scripture is YOU!
 
rogerg said:
No, you can't. God first makes the spiritually dead spiritually alive and along with that gives them
spiritual sight, spiritual hearing, and a renewed mind, and writes His spiritual laws into their hearts.
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This is true, and He gives us a new heart, also!

I wonder that any believe faith can grow from an incurably wicked heart.

Jesus said it was impossible.

But it is part of the reason why they deny what Scripture says of man.
 
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Genez said:
You just do not know how He does it.
And, have settled for the quick fix solution that is false.
When you still need to find a good answer, settling for dogma.... is religion, not faith.
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his word burns people hearts you where shown that only 2 days ago
 
brightfame52 said:
It makes a definite statement, because many are definitely lost. Aint no ifs about it. In fact all men are born lost, and remain so until and if God saves them.
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The word IF is the definite statement.

If I dump water on you you will get wet.
If I don't dump water on you you won't get wet.
If doesn't mean it is and too bad you don't have any ability to understand that.
 
reneweddaybyday said:
yep ...

2 Corinthians 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost

and once the gospel is revealed, it is no longer "hid" ... those who remain lost are the ones who suppress the truth in unrighteousness when the gospel is revealed.

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Amen!
 
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brightfame52 said:
lol. Its real 2 Cor 4:3-4 If a person is in a lost condition, they cant believe the Gospel 2 Cor 4:3-4
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It is real and the reason it begins with IF means it doesn't happen like you think because you clearly don't understand the English language.
 
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