The BIG Question not asked, concerning Genesis 6:1-6?

[PaulThomson]

So, let's reinterpret the text of Gen 6 with these facts in mind -

Gen 6:1
And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
Gen 6:2
That the sons of God (οἱ υἱοὶ τοῦ θεοῦ) saw (ἰδόντες) the daughters of men (τὰς θυγατέρας τῶν ἀνθρώπων) that they were good (ToBoTh, καλαί) ; and they received (ἔλαβον) to them (ἑαυτοῖς) women ('iShShaH, γυναῖκας = woman/female/wife) which they chose (ὧν ἐξελέξαντο) separated off away from all the other women (ἀπὸ πασῶν).
Gen 6:3
And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
Gen 6:4
There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God (οἱ υἱοὶ τοῦ θεοῦ) entered (εἰσεπορεύοντο) the daughters of men, (πρὸς τὰς θυγατέρας τῶν ἀνθρώπων) and they bare children for them(ἐγεννῶσαν ἑαυτοῖς), the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

So, the fallen angels saw that the women were good, as God had intended them to be. But the fallen angels wanted to corrupt the good women, so they made the women an offer. If you worship me, I will make your children grow bigger, stronger and more cunning than other children and they will be able to rule over the sons and daughters of men. (This reminds us of Satan's temptation to Jesus, "Bow down and worship me and I will give you all the kingdoms of the world.")
So, women began to offer their worship to demons who received them as their devotees and entered their bodies. And when they fell pregnant from their husbands' seed , the demons made genetic enhancements to the foetuses and more demons entered the babies after birth when their mothers dedicated them to these baalim, and the baalim grew them into cunning, super-strong giants, who could lord it over their weaker normal cousins. This created something of a spiritual arms race, where many women felt it necessary to do likewise so their children would be able to compete against these giants. That's how the population so quickly became so demonised and degenerate and wicked.

 

[Adstar]

That does not make them able to sexually reproduce....
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Well the Bible in The Book of Genesis says they where able to take human wives and have children with them.. So one either believes the Bible or they don't.. Again the Bible declared that Angels came down and had sexual relations with human woman and had offspring with them.. Offspring the Bible called Giants..

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

Then, Seth was not a human?
Seth was human.



Something is not lining up correctly with that deduction.
Besides.. When do believers produce offspring with unbelievers?
And, they turn out to be giants?

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This is not salvific. Believe what you want. But I also have a right not to believe in or agree with how you read this passage.

Also you don't think that some believers marry unbelievers and produce offspring from that union? Even now there are believers who don't take God seriously and do whatever they want and don't obey Him. They go ahead and marry unbelievers figuring that God will just forgive them.

Gigantism exists among humans. Have you not taken a biology course in college/university? Or even in high school? Or even look it up in an internet search???

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

The fact that they were created male, and proven to be able to reproduce, I believe reveals this to be true.

These "facts" haven't been proven, especially having the ability to reproduce. In certain instances they are called men because they looked like men, but in some of those times the angel was Jesus, who at that time was not a man.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Well the Bible in The Book of Genesis says they where able to take human wives and have children with them.. So one either believes the Bible or they don't.. Again the Bible declared that Angels came down and had sexual relations with human woman and had offspring with them.. Offspring the Bible called Giants..

No, the bible doesn't explicitly say that. It says sons of God did that. Throughout scripture sons of God are those who have faith in and follow God; sons of men are the opposite. So the godly lineage of Adam (sons of God) married the daughters of sons of men (daughters of men) and had offspring together.

Apart from Genesis, sons of God are mentioned as early as Deuteronomy, and the difference between angels and sons is clearly identified: sons don't live in heaven and angels don't have blood

Be glad, O heavens, together with him! and do obeisance to him, all angels of God. Be glad nations, with his people. And grow in strength in him, all sons of God. For the blood of his sons he shall avenge, and he shall avenge and recompense punishment to the enemies. And to the ones detesting him he will recompense, and the LORD shall clear out the land for his people. Deuteronomy 32:43​

 

[homwardbound]

The BIG Question not asked out loud concerning Genesis 6:1-6?

Why were those angels able to reproduce sexually?

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However that came to be, I am thankful for God to stop that, protecting us the people
Seeing even though we all have free choice, so does God
Thank you Father got stopping that from continuing on
You got me listening and trusting God to reveal whatever is needed to be or not be revealed yet, thank you

 

[Adstar]

No, the bible doesn't explicitly say that. It says sons of God did that. Throughout scripture sons of God are those who have faith in and follow God; sons of men are the opposite. So the godly lineage of Adam (sons of God) married the daughters of sons of men (daughters of men) and had offspring together.

Apart from Genesis, sons of God are mentioned as early as Deuteronomy, and the difference between angels and sons is clearly identified: sons don't live in heaven and angels don't have blood

Be glad, O heavens, together with him! and do obeisance to him, all angels of God. Be glad nations, with his people. And grow in strength in him, all sons of God. For the blood of his sons he shall avenge, and he shall avenge and recompense punishment to the enemies. And to the ones detesting him he will recompense, and the LORD shall clear out the land for his people. Deuteronomy 32:43​

No.. In the book of Job the sons of God gathered in front of God and satan was among them.. So satan was called a son of God in the Bible and satan was in rebellion against God so your definition of sons of God being ones who have faith in God and follows His will is faulty..

(Job 1:6) "¶ Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them."

Where in the Bible does it say Angels don't have bodies? Don't have blood? Nowhere i have read.. Indeed i have read that Angels have physical bodies are able to eat worldly food and physically grab people and pull them into a house ( Lot in Sodom).. You seem to have adopted traditions derived from men rather then adopting a scriptural basis for your beliefs in this area..

And as it has already been stated in here with scriptural support that God refereed to The Nation of Israel as his son while He was rescuing them from Egypt and taking them to the promised land.. As we know the Hebrews of that time rebelled against God time and time again, even refusing the enter into the promised land when they reached it's borders.. So people and angels where called sons of God even when they where rebellious like satan and the stiff necked Hebrews..

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

No.. In the book of Job the sons of God gathered in front of God and satan was among them.. So satan was called a son of God in the Bible and satan was in rebellion against God so your definition of sons of God being ones who have faith in God and follows His will is faulty..

(Job 1:6) "¶ Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them."

That is the Masoretic Text version; the Septuagint (LXX) has angels of God for that same verse. Since the MT and the LXX are both scripture and these verses in each contradict each other, Job is inadmissible as conclusive evidence in this matter.

Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. Job 1:6 (MT)​

And it came to pass on a day, that behold, the angels of God came to stand before the Lord, and the devil came with them. Job 1:6 (LXX)​

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Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD. Job 2:1 (MT)​

And it came to pass on a certain day, that the angels of God came to stand before the Lord, and the devil came among them to stand before the Lord. Job 2:1 (LXX)​

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When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? Job 38:7 (MT)​

When the stars were made, all my angels praised me with a loud voice. Job 38:7 (LXX)​

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Where in the Bible does it say Angels don't have bodies? Don't have blood? Nowhere i have read.

And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. Hebrews 1:7​

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Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. Luke 24:39​

 

[Adstar]

That is the Masoretic Text version; the Septuagint (LXX) has angels of God for that same verse. Since the MT and the LXX are both scripture and these verses in each contradict each other, Job is inadmissible as conclusive evidence in this matter.

Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. Job 1:6 (MT)​

And it came to pass on a day, that behold, the angels of God came to stand before the Lord, and the devil came with them. Job 1:6 (LXX)​

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No.. A gigantic NO.. I recognise the KJV as the word of God.. Stating that the Word of God is canciled because two translations are different is denying the Word of God... We are not Brothers in Christ.. ​

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This discussion as fellowship has ended... ​

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[Adstar]

And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. Hebrews 1:7​

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Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. Luke 24:39​

Again this One denys scripture.. The LORD visited Abraham with two Angels and Abraham had a meal prepared for them and they ate the food prepared for them.. They had physical bodies.. Later these same two angels visited Sodom to warn Lot and during that visit the Angel grabbed LOT physically and pulled him into a hut..

(Genesis 19:1-2) "And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground; {2} And he said, Behold now, my lords, turn in, I pray you, into your servant’s house, and tarry all night, and wash your feet, and ye shall rise up early, and go on your ways. And they said, Nay; but we will abide in the street all night."

Later in the same chapter""
(Genesis 19:9-11) "And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and came near to break the door. {10} But the men put forth their hand, and pulled Lot into the house to them, and shut to the door. {11} And they smote the men that were at the door of the house with blindness, both small and great: so that they wearied themselves to find the door."

So the Angels could wash their feet and could physically reach out and grab Lot and pull Him into the house.. Denying that Angels can have physical bodies is just a clear denial of scriptures..

The LORD and two angels eating food prepared for them::

(Genesis 18:1-8) "And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day; {2} And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground, {3} And said, My Lord, if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant: {4} Let a little water, I pray you, be fetched, and wash your feet, and rest yourselves under the tree: {5} And I will fetch a morsel of bread, and comfort ye your hearts; after that ye shall pass on: for therefore are ye come to your servant. And they said, So do, as thou hast said. {6} And Abraham hastened into the tent unto Sarah, and said, Make ready quickly three measures of fine meal, knead it, and make cakes upon the hearth. {7} And Abraham ran unto the herd, and fetcht a calf tender and good, and gave it unto a young man; and he hasted to dress it. {8} And he took butter, and milk, and the calf which he had dressed, and set it before them; and he stood by them under the tree, and they did eat."

 

[tablet123]

The BIG Question not asked out loud concerning Genesis 6:1-6?

Why were those angels able to reproduce sexually?

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Gen 6:1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

Gen 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

Gen 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Gen 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

Gen 6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

Gen 6:11 The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.

Gen 6:12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.

Gen 6:13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

Mat 22:28 Therefore in the resurrection whose wife shall she be of the seven? for they all had her.

Mat 22:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.

Mat 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

It does not make sense that a spiritual being created by God could cause a woman to be pregnant.

They do not have that ability to do so.

The angels do not have a gender and they have masculine names because they are greater than people.

The saints will not have a gender when they are with Jesus for the only thing that separates them is the flesh but when they have a glorified body it is the same.

Which is why Jesus said they do not marry and they are like unto the angels.

Also Jesus is the only person that does not have a father.

Also only God can cause conception in a woman without a man and only He can create.

It could be the fallen angels influenced the men to be wicked and they took on to them many wives and the fallen angels worked through the men to corrupt mankind to be in rebellion against God.

Because the world would not be that corrupt unless the fallen angels influenced them.

If the sons of God was referring to the men they still would not be that corrupt unless the fallen angels influenced them.

At least that is the way it seems.

Were they not on a leash in the beginning.

But they are on a leash now.

Mat 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron.

2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

The new age movement that interprets the Bible and religions according to the occult and evolution, and people are going to evolve to be spiritual, and greater, and Jesus became an ascended master among others, and there is no personal God, but they honor the God of forces the power of the Cosmos, and the New Age Christ is the next world teacher.

The time will come that people will not want to hear the truth of the Bible but want to hear it according to the new age.

It is time for God to end sin on earth so He is giving the world 7 years to have their way to go against the truth.

Which they will go by a system on a world wide level that exalts people and does not believe in a personal God.

The new age is the beginning of the end.

Rev 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

During the 7 years period the devils will influence more.

During the first half salvation is still available to the world and the devil on a leash.

During the last half the devil shall be off his leash which he shall ascend out of the bottomless pit and the people that love not the truth given strong delusion.

Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron.

The devils will influence mankind and every imagination of the thoughts of their heart will be only evil continually.

Which their conscience will be seared with a hot iron.

No mercy, no compassion, as they go against all people that oppose them having the fury of a devil and the devil will take them to the battle of Armageddon where Jesus will defeat them.

For the devil cares for no person.

So we see from after the flood until now it was not as bad as at the flood for they were continually evil, they corrupted God ways on earth of love, compassion, and forgiveness, and were violent towards each.

For we see the world is not that bad with even the heathen showing love.

So at the flood it must have been the fallen angels that influenced them for them to be that bad.

 

[memberofthebride]

do any understand humans reproduce because we were made, created to respond to hormones?

And even the "pleasure" is hormonal.

Angels are spirit, no hormones, no sexual equipment, no flesh, Christ stated they do not marry.

Plus the fact; the LAW God put in place at the beginning: "Kind can only mate with their own kind.
Please forgive me I always keep coming back to Law. without law, chaos ensues

Kind can only reproduce their kind! horse with their kind, cow, pig, each with their Kind.

A cat can not reproduce with a fish.

Even with in Kinds, within some species, they can not reproduce.

This lie comes from the one who was the first liar.

 

[Genez]

Well the Bible in The Book of Genesis says they where able to take human wives and have children with them.. So one either believes the Bible or they don't.. Again the Bible declared that Angels came down and had sexual relations with human woman and had offspring with them.. Offspring the Bible called Giants..

The Hebrew says something different.
Prudish translators chose to use "wives."

Check the Youngs Literal translation, and read it there. Genesis 6:2
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis 6:2&version=YLT

Quite different.

My pastor exegeted the Hebrew and concluded with something more like the following.

Genesis 6:1-2

1~~Now it came to pass,​

when mankind {literally 'adam - came to be used for 'mankind'}​

had begun to 'become numerous'/multiply​

on the face of the ground {adamah},​

and daughters/'beautiful women' had been born unto them . . .​

2~~ that the {fallen} angels​

{beni ha Elohiym idiom: literally sons of 'elohiym/gods}​

kept watching the daughters of mankind . . .​

that they were very beautiful . . .​

and they took/'seized passionately' to them women {'ishshah}​

{here is a masculine plural suffix signifying 'it happened​

but was irregular'}​

of all whom they examined and selected.​

I hope that helps a bit in better understanding what the actual Scripture is telling us.


grace and peace!

 

[Dino246]

Angels are spirit, no hormones, no sexual equipment, no flesh, Christ stated they do not marry.

While I agree the different ‘kinds’ cannot reproduce, your claims about angels not having physical attributes has no biblical basis. Further, angels and “sons of God” are not necessarily the same thing.

 

[sawdust]

do any understand humans reproduce because we were made, created to respond to hormones?

And even the "pleasure" is hormonal.

Angels are spirit, no hormones, no sexual equipment, no flesh, Christ stated they do not marry.

Plus the fact; the LAW God put in place at the beginning: "Kind can only mate with their own kind.
Please forgive me I always keep coming back to Law. without law, chaos ensues

Kind can only reproduce their kind! horse with their kind, cow, pig, each with their Kind.

A cat can not reproduce with a fish.

Even with in Kinds, within some species, they can not reproduce.

This lie comes from the one who was the first liar.

Here is something I find quite interesting.

In the letter of Jude we read:

Jude 1:6
And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day;

The Greek word translated "abode" is found in one other place where it is translated habitation in the NKJV

2 Corinthians 5:2
For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed with our habitation which is from heaven,

It is speaking of the new body which we will receive in the Resurrection.

The inference then is that the angels of Jude permanently traded their original angelic bodies for physical ones and Gen.6 shows us the reason was for the purpose of having sexual intercourse with human women.

 

[sawdust]

While I agree the different ‘kinds’ cannot reproduce, your claims about angels not having physical attributes has no biblical basis. Further, angels and “sons of God” are not necessarily the same thing.

It's interesting as there are quite a number of terms used for spirit beings yet we tend to lump them all into the category of either angels or demons which really is a word descriptive of their purpose (ie.messenger), not their being.

Just off the top of my head I can think of sons of God, morning stars, cherubim and seraphim.

 

[Genez]

do any understand humans reproduce because we were made, created to respond to hormones?

And even the "pleasure" is hormonal.

Angels are spirit, no hormones, no sexual equipment, no flesh, Christ stated they do not marry.

Plus the fact; the LAW God put in place at the beginning: "Kind can only mate with their own kind.
Please forgive me I always keep coming back to Law. without law, chaos ensues

Kind can only reproduce their kind! horse with their kind, cow, pig, each with their Kind.

A cat can not reproduce with a fish.

Even with in Kinds, within some species, they can not reproduce.

This lie comes from the one who was the first liar.

Genetically speaking?....
Look at Psalm 78:25!

Men ate angels’ food;​

He sent them food to the full.​

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The Jews ate the bread of angels (manna) and thrived on it!

Some fail to realize that we were created only a little lower than the angels!

But there is a place where someone has testified:​

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“What is mankind that you are mindful of them,​

a son of man that you care for him?​

You made them a little lower than the angels;​

you crowned them with glory and honor. Hebrews 2:6-7​

We have crossed a donkey with a horse and produced mules.

Just because angels can dematerialize does not mean they were created totally different.
God could do the same thing for you.. - If He wanted to!

Jesus as a man walked through walls.
Jesus as a man walked on water!

Materialized angels could fool you into thinking they were having human bodies!

Do not forget to show hospitality to strangers, for by so doing ​

some people have shown hospitality to angels without knowing it. ​

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Hebrews 13:2​

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[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Just because angels can dematerialize does not mean they were created totally different.
God could do the same thing for you.. - If He wanted to!

Jesus as a man walked through walls.
Jesus as a man walked on water!

Materialized angels could fool you into thinking they were having human bodies!

Do not forget to show hospitality to strangers, for by so doing some people have shown hospitality to angels without knowing it. Hebrews 13:2

According to this angels do not have bodies. Think the Matrix when considering that they can appear as men

And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. Hebrews 1:7​

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Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. Luke 24:39​

 

[Genez]

According to this angels do not have bodies. Think the Matrix when considering that they can appear as men

And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. Hebrews 1:7​

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Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. Luke 24:39​

Jews ate the bread of angels in the wilderness?
They do not have bodies?

And, when they appeared to Abraham in Genesis 18?
Guess what Abraham served them to eat?

You need to reconsider your position on that one, and try to figure out that being dematerialized does not mean they do not have
a real body when materialized....

As far as Luke 34:39?

Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; a ghost
does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have.”

Please... surrender to the right side of truth.
Otherwise You are going to regret it someday, when being a rebel will be looked down upon, and no sympathizers will be found.