Israel and the present conflict

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Those people that support the building of a third temple must be doing an evil thing though.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/m1SAx2RzLYU


Why would those people supporting the building of the third temple be doing an evil thing? (I know people say that, but let's talk about it!)

I don't support it, but I believe it's going to be built anyway regardless. The Jews really want it. But so does the antichrist.

For me, it will mean the very end times will occur very soon in our lifetime - that the antichrist will be revealed and a few years after that, have his loser butt kicked by our Lord Jesus. And then we get to live with God forever! Wanting Jesus to come back in my lifetime is not an evil thing.


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Do you not know that it was Hitler who decided who was a Jew and who was not? It was based on ancestry. Hitler was obsessed with what he called racial purity and superiority. He based this on Darwinian evolution. So Germany had extensive records of the ethnicity of the population.

You obviously are ignorant of Jewish culture during the diaspora. You should learn some history. If someone was not a Jew, they would not have needed to wear the yellow star that Germany required in WW2. Hitler made it clear that he considered Jews to be inferior. Many Jews left Germany as a result. They were the smart ones.

Hitler even had a percentage of Jewish ancestry that qualified or disqualified someone as Jewish. Jewish communities kept themselves separate from gentiles, which left them vulnerable to pogroms that happened from time to time. In spite of that kind of violence, many Jews retained their identity. They married within their own communities also.
What is wrong with you?

Hitler does not decide "who was a Jew and who was not" a Jew!

"Darwinian evolution" does not decide who is and is not a Jew!

Culture does not make you a Jew, a yellow star does not make you a Jew.

Jews have been intermarrying with Gentiles for centuries.

Only Jesus decides who is and is not a Jew.

Just read your Bible. Read John 4 and try to figure out why Jesus saw the woman at Jacob's Well as not Jewish.

Just read Romans 2:29 and see who is the real Jew.

Stop using Hitler, Darwin and culture as your guide to who is a Jew!
 
What is wrong with you?

Hitler does not decide "who was a Jew and who was not" a Jew!

"Darwinian evolution" does not decide who is and is not a Jew!

Culture does not make you a Jew, a yellow star does not make you a Jew.

Jews have been intermarrying with Gentiles for centuries.

Only Jesus decides who is and is not a Jew.

Just read your Bible. Read John 4 and try to figure out why Jesus saw the woman at Jacob's Well as not Jewish.

Just read Romans 2:29 and see who is the real Jew.

Stop using Hitler, Darwin and culture as your guide to who is a Jew!

I intend to go saying what I believe to be the truth. I reject your false assertions. Stop putting words in my mouth. I did not say that Darwin determined who was a Jew and who was not. There are Jews who have not intermarried. The Samaritan woman did not claim to be a Jewess. Or did that minor point escape you. The hint is there. She lived in Samaria.
 
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Paul actually pronounced this curse on his fellow believing pharisees who were troubling gentile believers in Galatia. Hopefully they repented.

I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. Galatians 1:6-9
He was talking about this

And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved. When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question. Acts 15:1-2
But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses. Acts 15:5
Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment: Acts 15:24

What Paul said in Galatians pertain to everyone who makes a false claim about the Gospel or salvation, not just the circumcision group.

Also just because Paul say "let them be acursed" doesn't mean God will not curse someone who curses Jews. One matter doesn't cancel the other.


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Why would those people supporting the building of the third temple be doing an evil thing? (I know people say that, but let's talk about it!)

I don't support it, but I believe it's going to be built anyway regardless. The Jews really want it. But so does the antichrist.

For me, it will mean the very end times will occur very soon in our lifetime - that the antichrist will be revealed and a few years after that, have his loser butt kicked by our Lord Jesus. And then we get to live with God forever! Wanting Jesus to come back in my lifetime is not an evil thing.


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You are not the first to ask me that, but actually there is a good reason why any participation in the building of the third temple is a serious sin.
Remember how Jesus predicted the destruction of the second temple (Mathew 24:2)?
The Temple is for making sacrifices to God, and the final sacrifice is Jesus.
By participating in building a temple we deny Jesus, mocking His finished work on the cross, and blaspheme God.
There are those who will say "well it is prophesied anyway", but they fail to understand the role of one who follows Christ.
" What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?" Romans 6:1-2.
It was prophesied that Christ would die, but that would be a very dangerous reason to participate in killing Him.
 
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Literal Israel is nothing more then a group of people that need to hear the gospel truth.

DNA means nothing today.

The blessing has gone to anyone that accepts Jesus Christ as their saviour.

The choosen Abraham was promised a seed and David was promised a seed and the Seed was Jesus... by faith in Jesus we are adopted into the family of God.

Gal 3:28-29
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Joh 1:9-13
9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

As many as receive Jesus gives He power to be sons of God. All...

Act 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:

Rom 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

We are sons and daughters of God through Christ. This is a spiritual transformation that places us into God's family.

Rom 8:15-16
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. 16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

Can the Jewish people that deny Christ be part of this family?

Gal 4:6-7
6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. 7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.
Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

Eph 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

Tit 3:5-7
5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; 6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; 7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

Notice that we are children of God, heirs, adopted and that God is not a respecter of persons but the same condition is for all...

The condition is to have faith in and accept Jesus as your Lord and saviour.

Through Christ we are able to be heirs of God.

The Jewish nation generally don't accept Jesus. As individuals they need Jesus.
 
What Paul said in Galatians pertain to everyone who makes a false claim about the Gospel or salvation, not just the circumcision group.

Also just because Paul say "let them be acursed" doesn't mean God will not curse someone who curses Jews. One matter doesn't cancel the other.

Are you going to define what cursing means to you?
 
I believe in the "rapture" as the gathering of God's elect in Matt. 24 on Mount Olive, I don't believe the "rapture" as a sudden teleportation of all remnant believers.

That's an old Jewish belief based on the corrupted version of Zechariah 14:5. Paul said they would be raised together into the air to meet Christ and the resurrected Israel

The Jews, have a notion, that, at the general resurrection of the dead, the Mount of Olives will cleave asunder, and those of their nation, who have been buried in other countries, will be rolled through the caverns of the earth, and come out from under that mountain. This is what they call “gilgul hammetim”, the rolling of the dead; and “gilgul hammechiloth”, the rolling through the caverns. So they say in the Targum of Son_8:5:

“When the dead shall live, the mount of Olives shall be cleaved asunder, and all the dead of Israel shall come out from under it; yea, even the righteous, which die in captivity, shall pass through subterraneous caverns, and come from under the mount of Olives.”

John Gill’s Exposition of the Entire Bible, John Gill, Zechariah 14:4

Goes into more detail here: https://zechariahfourteenfive.wordpress.com/2010/02/10/hello-world/
 
Literal Israel is nothing more then a group of people that need to hear the gospel truth.

DNA means nothing today.

The blessing has gone to anyone that accepts Jesus Christ as their saviour.

The choosen Abraham was promised a seed and David was promised a seed and the Seed was Jesus... by faith in Jesus we are adopted into the family of God.

Gal 3:28-29
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Joh 1:9-13
9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

As many as receive Jesus gives He power to be sons of God. All...

Act 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:

Rom 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

We are sons and daughters of God through Christ. This is a spiritual transformation that places us into God's family.

Rom 8:15-16
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. 16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

Can the Jewish people that deny Christ be part of this family?

Gal 4:6-7
6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. 7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.
Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

Eph 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

Tit 3:5-7
5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; 6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; 7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

Notice that we are children of God, heirs, adopted and that God is not a respecter of persons but the same condition is for all...

The condition is to have faith in and accept Jesus as your Lord and saviour.

Through Christ we are able to be heirs of God.

The Jewish nation generally don't accept Jesus. As individuals they need Jesus.
You do not know the distinction between God's dealings with Israel as a nation and God's dealings in salvation. As I've said before, there is one saviour for both Jew and Gentile. However, God has not finished with Israel the nation. His covenant with the nation still stands. How do i know? The sun rose this morning and the moon still zips around the earth. Jeremiah 31:35 & 36.

As it happens, while much of the Western, so-called Christian world turns away from Christ, Israel is experiencing a revival. One of the great influences is those Christians who understand God's covenant and so understand the Jewish mentality.

You think God does not care about Israel especially? History shows that the nations that are hostile to Israel don't so so well. Gaddafi tried to produce nukes to attack Israel. Libya is a basket case. Syria also wanted to destroy Israel. Look where they've ended up. Iraq? Miserable hell hole. Iran has been cursed by drought and is running out of water. Israel offered to help if Iran quit their war against Israel. Iran would rather its population die of thirst.

The saddest case is the place of my birth, Britain. In 1922, Winston Churchill divided up the land that had been promised for a restored state of Israel. It's been all downhill from there. WW2 was catastrophic. Britain lost its empire. It was bankrupt, kept afloat by American money. Now it has been infiltrated by Muslims who are intent on creating a Muslim republic. The most common boy's name is Muhammad. That's because Muslims have larger families than most. They will take control purely by demographics if not by other means. Look up Joel 3:2 and you will see what I mean.
 
That's an old Jewish belief based on the corrupted version of Zechariah 14:5. Paul said they would be raised together into the air to meet Christ and the resurrected Israel
I believe the bible is consistent, the NT is the fulfillment of the OT. Call that corrupt as you like, it's a biblical interpretation more reliable than Left Behind or the Leftover series.
 
John 14:6
New International Version

6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

Ezekiel 36:26
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26 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh.

Matthew 18:21-22
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21 Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, “Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother or sister who sins against me? Up to seven times?”
22 Jesus answered, “I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times.

Colossians 3:13
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13 Bear with each other and forgive one another if any of you has a grievance against someone. Forgive as the Lord forgave you.
 
The notion that the current nation that calls itself "Israel" is the same as the biblical nation of Judah of the New Testament is flawed to its core.

Jesus would no more consider those who claim to be Jews today as Jewish as He did the woman at Jacob's Well in John 4.
Less so, because the woman at Jacob's Well believed. The Zionists of today are the spiritual descendants of the Pharisees, and we can read how strictly Jesus spoke of their false theology.
 
I intend to go saying what I believe to be the truth. I reject your false assertions. Stop putting words in my mouth. I did not say that Darwin determined who was a Jew and who was not. There are Jews who have not intermarried. The Samaritan woman did not claim to be a Jewess. Or did that minor point escape you. The hint is there. She lived in Samaria.
Well it seems that TrustandObey beat me to the punch.

It was you who brought up Hitler and Darwinian evolution.

Culture most certainly does not define a biblical Jew.

Lineage defines who is a biblical Jew or not.

This is why the woman at Jacob's Well was not Jewish. Her not claiming to be a Jew is not germane to the issue.

Jesus pointed this difference out in John 4. There is no one who meets the requirements to be a biblical Jew today, much less a whole nation!!!

Your assertion that there is a nation of Jews who has not intermarried with the Gentiles is baseless.

God does not honor the old covenants He made with the Northern Kingdom of Israel and the Southern Kingdom of Judah.
Jeremiah 31:31

Jesus honors the new covenant.
 
Less so, because the woman at Jacob's Well believed. The Zionists of today are the spiritual descendants of the Pharisees, and we can read how strictly Jesus spoke of their false theology.
Yet she was still not a biblical Jew.

IOW, Anna was a Jew (Luke 2:36-38), the woman at Jacob's Well was not.

Why? What is the difference?

Gideon300 knows the difference but turns a blind eye to it.
 
Yet she was still not a biblical Jew.

IOW, Anna was a Jew (Luke 2:36-38), the woman at Jacob's Well was not.

Why? What is the difference?

Gideon300 knows the difference but turns a blind eye to it.
No genealogical record in the temple, right?
 
God has not finished with Israel the nation. His covenant with the nation still stands. How do i know? The sun rose this morning and the moon still zips around the earth. Jeremiah 31:35 & 36.
The covenant of Jeremiah 31 was not just to the Southern Kingdom of Judah but also to the Northern Kingdom of Israel and neither exist today. The covenant was made to two nations not one.
 
DNA means nothing today.

Tell that to all the guys on the Maury show who get set free from lying cheating women!

But in a way you're right seeing as Jesus talked about us Gentiles being grafted into the vine.