Which as I have proven (to the deafening sound of numerous FWer crickets) that the world is not used in the distributive sense in scripture since Israel was never part of the world, anymore than Gentile Christians are. See my posts 27,679, 27,725 and 27,934. The text above does not say, "but also for the rest of the world". Or "but also for the remainder of the world". The John excluded himself and his original audience from the world. There are "our sins" and the sins of "the whole world".
Can We Really Exercise Free Will?
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Which as I have proven (to the deafening sound of numerous FWer crickets) that the world is not used in the distributive sense in scripture since Israel was never part of the world, anymore than Gentile Christians are. See my posts 27,679, 27,725 and 27,934. The text above does not say, "but also for the rest of the world". Or "but also for the remainder of the world". The John excluded himself and his original audience from the world. There are "our sins" and the sins of "the whole world".
Quit whining already. Fine me a passage that says that God will have mercy on whoever wants it.
The "little children" are those whose sins have been forgiven them: the saved:
[1Jo 2:12 KJV] 12 I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name's sake.
Wrong world. The world to come is represented in that verse, not this world. This world will be destroyed along with everything left in it.
Maybe the door out of this thread smacked John so hard in the butt, it incapacitated him and now he can't leave. It might be God's way of forcing him to stay here.
That wouldn't be fair! If God forces one person to stay, He must force all people to stay!Maybe the door out of this thread smacked John so hard in the butt, it incapacitated him and now he can't leave. It might be God's way of forcing him to stay here.
What's insane is all you professing Christians, who subscribe to FWT, could not bring yourselves to freely confess what should have been the only and obvious Christian answer to my question. Your SILENCE spoke volumes about the state of your heart! LONG live EVIL in the world -- as long as it protects the sanctity of "freewill".Your silence also speaks much to the moral bankruptcy of FWT.
Have you considered after the 30th time no one has awnsered you that maybe they just dont want to talk to you any more???? But yet you think it's because you asked such a profound question...
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The fact that the identity of the narcissist in question flew completely over your head is telling. What it tells, I will leave for others to decide.
Bible:
Achieving victory over darkness and death, and vanquishing His enemies, God announces the restoration and renewal of all things.
"Doctrines of Grace" aka TULIP :
There is no "victory" because there never was any actual battle to be fought.
God perfectly lit His own house on fire by sending enemies into it, perfectly locked much of His own creation inside as necessary collateral damage for Him to be maximally glorious.
Then He blames them anyway, repairs some of the damage He brought upon the house, and demands that we all celebrate the torment of those unfortunate souls whom He sovereignly created to be victims of His own righteous wickedness.
Yup, this is what they defend.
Achieving victory over darkness and death, and vanquishing His enemies, God announces the restoration and renewal of all things.
"Doctrines of Grace" aka TULIP :
There is no "victory" because there never was any actual battle to be fought.
God perfectly lit His own house on fire by sending enemies into it, perfectly locked much of His own creation inside as necessary collateral damage for Him to be maximally glorious.
Then He blames them anyway, repairs some of the damage He brought upon the house, and demands that we all celebrate the torment of those unfortunate souls whom He sovereignly created to be victims of His own righteous wickedness.
Yup, this is what they defend.
You mean stay on this thread until the end of time - kinda like that movie "Time After Time"? Oh my, please say no
So are you saying the world in 1john2¹-² is the world of the millennium or the finial world? Now there's like 14 definitions of the word world in 3 dimensions of time past present and future? Is that like 42 different worlds to choose from? At this point I can't keep up lol.
I think it's the latter since you FWers pride yourselves on your PRIDE! Besides, others, and now you, have taken the time to respond to other posts of mine and now you chime in to answer this one.
Again, All FWers' silence speaks numerous volumes to the utter impoverishment of FWT! If one question throws all FWers for a loop, just how strong can your heresy be? Ever hear the old adage: A chain is only as strong as its weakest link?
Die in their sins because they will be resurrected in their fallen bodies with a sin nature.
But, not to be judged for their sins.
Instead of sins?
Unbelievers will be judged according to their works, just before being thrown into the Lake of Fire!
I also saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened.
Another book was opened, which is the book of life, and the dead were judged according to their
works by what was written in the books. Revelation 20:12
Their works of righteousness will be shown to be filthy rags! Isaiah 64:6
But, one work will be searched for in the books and not found.
One work that would have indicated that they became saved.
Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”
Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.” John 6:28-29
We are nor saved by works (plurality).
But, we are saved by ONE WORK!
“The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.” John 6:29
It is amazing what happens when what we once thought surely must be the truth.
When we find out, it is not what the Word actually teaches!
“The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.” John 6:29
If you find yourself believing in Jesus Christ?
That is God's seal to let us know we are saved!
grace and peace ..........
There is no millennium after the last day but that should be discussed in a different thread. My comment pertains to the world that is to replace this world
[Jhn 18:36 KJV] 36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
Believe it or not Rufus I dont mind responding to you when you are acting civilized. Which isint too often.
Guys like you gave used car salesmen a bad name.
Sorry…
But if it is fitting?
It is.
Nothing like a used car salesman wearing a big cross on a chain around his neck.
Jesus was fully God and fully man. I thank Him for rescuing me from the dominion of darkness. Do you
think the natural man possesses the attributes of Jesus? Was Jesus a child of wrath in your view?
Was He deserving of death? I believe He laid down His life willingly. How about you?
"Free will" in the Bible? ~ Freedom is something believers are called to (Galatians 5 verse 13). We need Jesus to “set us free” (Galatians 5 verse 1). If Jesus has not freed us from the bondage of sin, then we are still slaves to sin (Romans 6 verses 6-7). Freedom is found in the presence of the Spirit (2 Corinthians 3 verse 17). Only Jesus can give us true freedom (John 8 verse 36). Only through His lovingkindness can we truly make choices unfettered by a nature that is inherently hostile toward God.
You are free to believe whatever you wish.What's insane is all you professing Christians, who subscribe to FWT, could not bring yourselves to freely confess what should have been the only and obvious Christian answer to my question. Your SILENCE spoke volumes about the state of your heart! LONG live EVIL in the world -- as long as it protects the sanctity of "freewill".
Ok so why would the sins of the whole world be the ones from Jesus's kingdom? If that world is the one in view? Why would it not be our world? The world he was sent into?