Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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Has anyone ever noticed that we're getting absolutely nowhere with each other in this Thread?

Douglas
 
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There are people in the Bible who are referred to as righteous (Gen. 18:23, Ex. 23:7; Deut. 16:19, 2 Sam. 4:11, 1 Kings 2:32, Matt. 9:13, 25:46, Lk. 1:6, 2 Pe. 2:7, etc etc). One must harmonize those with Romans 3:10.

Concerning understands, Nehemiah 8:7-8, 13, Ps. 107:43, 119:100, Prov. 28:5, Rom. 15:21, Matt. 17:13, Matt. 12:33, Eph. 3:4. 5:17, etc etc. One must harmonize those with Romans 3:11.

The OT and NT Scriptures says to seek the Lord: Deut. 4:29, Prov. 8:17, 1 Chron. 16:10-11, 22:19, 2 Chron. 15:2, Amos 5:4, Deut. 4:29, Prov. 8:17, Job. 8:5, Jer. 29:10, 13, Acts 17:27, Heb. 11:6). Other passages that tells us to seek are Matthew 6:33 (seek the kingdom of God), Matthew 7:7 (seek and ye shall find). One must harmonize those with Romans 3:11.

So, Romans 3:10-11 does not apply universally to “all” people.

I believe Romans 3 is presenting a universal description of mankind in its natural, unregenerate state. When Paul says, “there is none righteous, no, not one” and “there is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God,” he is not describing only a certain kind of person. He is summarizing the spiritual condition of the entire human race before the grace of God intervenes. Paul supports this by quoting Psalm 53. Some point to Psalm 53:1 and argue that the psalm refers only to “the fool” who says in his heart, “There is no God,” but the psalm itself immediately broadens its scope. Verse 2 says that God looks down from heaven upon “the children of men” to see if any truly understand or seek Him, and verse 3 declares, “Every one of them is gone back; they are altogether become filthy; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.” That language is universal and cannot be restricted to atheists.

Paul’s conclusion in Romans 3 makes this even clearer. After quoting these passages, he states that his purpose is “that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God” (Romans 3:19). If the statements in Romans 3 applied only to atheists or only to certain individuals, his conclusion about the guilt of “all the world” would make no sense. This shows that Romans 3:10–11 applies to everyone, but specifically to their condition before salvation. For the believer, these verses describe the former life, when he was spiritually blind, enslaved to sin, and walking according to the course of this world. And naturally, the same description applies to all unbelievers who remain in that fallen condition and ultimately die rejecting their Messiah. Romans 3 is not identifying a narrow subgroup of humanity. It is identifying the natural spiritual condition of every person apart from Christ.

However, there are many Calvinists who will say that Romans 3:10-11 still applies to the life of the believer even after they are saved and born again (Which is not true). Meaning, there are Calvinists (not all of them) who will say that they sin 24/7. While believers can struggle with sin and stumble, that is not how they are characterized in Scripture. They are called "saints" for a reason. Scripture tells us to be ye holy as He is. Yet, many Christians who believe those verses on living righteously are mocked today by other Christians. They boast in how they are sinners saved by grace. Meaning, they think they can willfully continue to do evil and be in God's good graces all because they have a belief alone on Jesus. This is not what the Bible teaches even remotely.






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Has anyone ever noticed that we're getting absolutely nowhere with each other in this Thread?

Douglas
All we need is love 🙂

It really boils down to being mindful and conscious when using certain words.

Because I'm sure your aware by now that many people using the the word Calvinists are calling you evil.


In reality the true denomination of anyone accepting a Calvin teaching is from a Christian united reformed church.

And Calvin was a Protestant reformer.

So the reality is the term Calvinist is a myth and a knee jerk reaction, by people highly jerked 🤩

It's more important to be mindful and conscious of what your saying.
 
A nice morning message with the lords will

Back on the day duty now @OLDBUTNEW
Have a good day friend


Arise, shine, for your light has come,
and the glory of the Lord rises upon you.

For his anger lasts only a moment,
but his favor lasts a lifetime;
weeping may stay for the night,
but rejoicing comes in the morning.
 
A nice morning message with the lords will

Back on the day duty now @OLDBUTNEW
Have a good day friend


Arise, shine, for your light has come,
and the glory of the Lord rises upon you.

For his anger lasts only a moment,
but his favor lasts a lifetime;
weeping may stay for the night,
but rejoicing comes in the morning.
As of now, I’m going to be taking a break from here. Have a good life. Peace and love.
 
I believe Romans 3 is presenting a universal description of mankind in its natural, unregenerate state. When Paul says, “there is none righteous, no, not one” and “there is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God,” he is not describing only a certain kind of person. He is summarizing the spiritual condition of the entire human race before the grace of God intervenes. Paul supports this by quoting Psalm 53. Some point to Psalm 53:1 and argue that the psalm refers only to “the fool” who says in his heart, “There is no God,” but the psalm itself immediately broadens its scope. Verse 2 says that God looks down from heaven upon “the children of men” to see if any truly understand or seek Him, and verse 3 declares, “Every one of them is gone back; they are altogether become filthy; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.” That language is universal and cannot be restricted to atheists.

Paul’s conclusion in Romans 3 makes this even clearer. After quoting these passages, he states that his purpose is “that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God” (Romans 3:19). If the statements in Romans 3 applied only to atheists or only to certain individuals, his conclusion about the guilt of “all the world” would make no sense. This shows that Romans 3:10–11 applies to everyone, but specifically to their condition before salvation. For the believer, these verses describe the former life, when he was spiritually blind, enslaved to sin, and walking according to the course of this world. And naturally, the same description applies to all unbelievers who remain in that fallen condition and ultimately die rejecting their Messiah. Romans 3 is not identifying a narrow subgroup of humanity. It is identifying the natural spiritual condition of every person apart from Christ.

However, there are many Calvinists who will say that Romans 3:10-11 still applies to the life of the believer even after they are saved and born again (Which is not true). Meaning, there are Calvinists (not all of them) who will say that they sin 24/7. While believers can struggle with sin and stumble, that is not how they are characterized in Scripture. They are called "saints" for a reason. Scripture tells us to be ye holy as He is. Yet, many Christians who believe those verses on living righteously are mocked today by other Christians. They boast in how they are sinners saved by grace. Meaning, they think they can willfully continue to do evil and be in God's good graces all because they have a belief alone on Jesus. This is not what the Bible teaches even remotely.






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Peace and love to you ☮️💙❤️
 
A nice morning message with the lords will

Back on the day duty now @OLDBUTNEW
Have a good day friend


Arise, shine, for your light has come,
and the glory of the Lord rises upon you.

For his anger lasts only a moment,
but his favor lasts a lifetime;
weeping may stay for the night,
but rejoicing comes in the morning.

Thanks for this, my dear brother Jordon; I hope you have a good day, too, Bro.
 
Thanks for this, my dear brother Jordon; I hope you have a good day, too, Bro.
your welcome friend it basically means that the lords light will come upon you and his light is everywhere.

The lords light is also his will
His will can make you shine, and it will be when his light comes upon the unsaved there may be weeping and moment of wrath from God, but come the morning his favour will remain with you forever.

Arise, shine, for your light has come,
and the glory of the Lord rises upon you.

For his anger lasts only a moment,
but his favor lasts a lifetime;
weeping may stay for the night,
but rejoicing comes in the morning.
 
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More accusations, I ask how come you dot call the pp it inherent gift and value as it's described.
Instead you choose the linear meaning. ?
And you don't know what I like.
And I ain't bothered about tulipism.

I understood you not to value/like the PP and to value/like tulipism rather than MFW.
If I misunderstood you, please explain why you like the PP and disagree with TULIP.
 
your welcome friend it basically means that the lords light will come upon you and his light is everywhere.

The lords light is also his will
His will can make you shine, and it will be when his light comes upon the unsaved there may be weeping and moment of wrath from God, but come the morning his favour will remain with you forever.

Arise, shine, for your light has come,
and the glory of the Lord rises upon you.

For his anger lasts only a moment,
but his favor lasts a lifetime;
weeping may stay for the night,
but rejoicing comes in the morning.

May The LORD BLESS you always, my dear mate.

Douglas
 
May The LORD BLESS you always, my dear mate.

Douglas
I believe he blessed me the moment I was born

Then he gifted me with a calling

That one day my words will wake you up,

I believe also he gave me a shot so hard it could break any net, especially when paying soccer 🤩

I prayed and prayed for a shot from heaven and one fine day I hit the ball that hard it lifted the goal posts out of the ground, and sent them summer salting thought the air, as an almighty gust of wind came from absolutely no where after i struck the ball lol.
 
I understood you not to value/like the PP and to value/like tulipism rather than MFW.
If I misunderstood you, please explain why you like the PP and disagree with TULIP.
you understood incorrectly again.

I ask how come you never described pp as an inherent value when that's what it is describes as, for the number one choice.

Instead you chose the alternative understanding of linear ?

I wonder was you describing it as a signal ? I thought
 
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I understood you not to value/like the PP and to value/like tulipism rather than MFW.
If I misunderstood you, please explain why you like the PP and disagree with TULIP.

The inherent value propensity principle


As a basis for intrinsic value: Some ethical perspectives could link a being's inherent value to its internal "propensities." For example, a being's inherent value might be tied to its capacity to feel pleasure or pain, a "propensity" to value its own existence, or a "propensity" toward self-awareness.

The linear value

The linear propensity principle has the following implications:
Dimensionality reduction: When dealing with many potential confounding variables, adjusting for each one individually in a regression model is complicated. A linear propensity model estimates a single propensity score for each subject, effectively reducing a complex, multi-dimensional problem into a much simpler one.
Controlling for confounding: After estimating the propensity scores, researchers can use them to create comparable treatment and control groups.
 
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Another day another faulty bogus Calvinist presupposition.
Garbage in garbage out....o_O
I wonder sir if you can Empty your trash on the way out

But dont forget to seal the bag just in case it escapes.

As there many rats on loose looking to munch, you'll only be feeding them again 🤐😋🤕🤐🤩