Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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Genez said:
Spiritual loser. Evidence A.
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Well I was thinking when the person does not have the capacity to understand they typically act out.

The strange thing is, the Gospel is so very simple but the Calvinist complicate it so much in the end many do not understand nor are they adequately able to defend their own doctrine.
 
HeIsHere said:
Well I was thinking when the person does not have the capacity to understand they typically act out.

The strange thing is, the Gospel is so very simple but the Calvinist complicate it so much in the end many do not understand nor are they adequately able to defend their own doctrine.
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where does all authority flow from
 
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Here is your glory

Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God
 
HeIsHere said:
Well I was thinking when the person does not have the capacity to understand they typically act out.

The strange thing is, the Gospel is so very simple but the Calvinist complicate it so much in the end many do not understand nor are they adequately able to defend their own doctrine.
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was this intelligent 🙃
 
cv5 said:
I suppose derailing the thread with useless incoherent noise and clutter could be considered useful for the Calvinists.
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That’s why I ignore him. He’s a thread derailer and an attention seeker.
 
There's a few attention seekers on here. He's the first person I ever put on ignore in 7 years. I almost thought he might of been another poster using a second devise. Just to get at a few people incognito lol.
 
reneweddaybyday said:
First I want to make clear ... you said

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That was the statement which began our discussion. I want to make clear that God does not "give people grace to let them lie". God does not cause us to lie ... when we lie we are going against God, we do not lie because He wants us to lie or because He gives grace to lie.

God gives mercy when we lie and confess our sin to Him.

As far as mercy and grace working together? yes, definitely true. have you ever read Hebrews 4:16?

Hebrews 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

mercy and grace ... much needed help in our time of need.

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Just trying to help

Romans 9:18

Says God will have mercy on whom he will have mercy on

And God will harden a heart on whom he chooses

But this is also his sovereign will

The question is

Is he hardening your heart in unbelief for a reason

And if he's not then surely his mercy lives there
 
Jackson129 said:
There's a few attention seekers on here. He's the first person I ever put on ignore in 7 years. I almost thought he might of been another poster using a second devise. Just to get at a few people incognito lol.
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long live the Calvies 🤩
 
Cameron143 said:
I wonder why no one else answered the question.
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That's rich. No Calvinist or free will denying proponent here is explaining 2 Thessalonians 2:10 and Jonah chapter 3.
One such poster here actually said it is a dark verse, meaning it is a mystery. This is a standard tactic by Calvinists where actual memes are made of them declaring "mystery" upon certain verses that refute their actual belief. This is why you know that they are teaching false doctrine. When you cannot explain a verse that refutes the very belief you hold to, there is something seriously wrong.






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Jordon said:
And He said, “I will make all My goodness pass before thee; and I will proclaim the name of the Lord before thee, and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will show mercy on whom I will show mercy.”

all the first 3 acts say what he will do before them the last act says what he will show on them mercy
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God spoke directly to Moses (the "thee" to whom God was speaking).

Exodus 33:18-23

18 And he [Moses] said, I beseech thee, shew me thy glory.

19 And he [God] said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the LORD before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy.

20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.

21 And the LORD said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock:

22 And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by:

23 And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.

Moses asked to see the glory of God.

God told Moses no one can see Him and live.

God told Moses his face would be hid in a cleft in the rock ... God would cover Moses with His hand while He passed by ... when God took His hand away, then Moses could see God's back parts. This reveals God's grace to Moses. God would reveal to Moses as much as He could.

In our day and time ... the rock is symbolic of the Lord Jesus Christ ... as we hide ourselves in the Lord Jesus Christ, then God's glory is revealed to us. How much of God do we want revealed to us? ... are we willing to let go of whatever is keeping us from knowing more of God? ... are we willing to draw closer to God?

Another interesting (to me) fact ... in Ex 33:11 we read that God spoke to Moses face to face:

Exodus 33:11 And the LORD spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend. And he turned again into the camp: but his servant Joshua, the son of Nun, a young man, departed not out of the tabernacle.

So God spoke to Moses face to face, yet Moses still wanted more ... Moses wanted to know more and more of God.




Jordon said:
This passage you missed, this is his mercy now in them

Deuteronomy 7:2

New International Version

2 and when the Lord your God has delivered them over to you and you have defeated them, then you must destroy them totally.[a] Make no treaty with them, and show them no mercy.

God is telling his people to not show any mercy to them

Does this not mean they have mercy in them ?

I mean I can't see it saying they have free will in them can you ?
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Did the children of Israel "destroy them totally" ? ... see Joshua 9.

Did God know the Gibeonites would behave deceitfully ? ... did God know the children of Israel would not seek God's counsel ? ... did God know the children of Israel would make a league with the Gibeonites ?

God's decree ... smite them, utterly destroy them; make no covenant with them, show no mercy to them.

God allowed the Gibeonites to deceive the children of Israel ... God allowed the children of Israel to make a league with the Gibeonites.

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