Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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Magenta said:
It is God Who works in you to will and to act on behalf of His good purpose. Apart from Me you can do nothing. No word from God will ever fail. “It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.” Those who heard this asked, “Who then can be saved?” But Jesus said, “What is impossible with man is possible with God.”
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We are needing to be told that so we will make ourselves willing to go along with how God wills for us to be!

Its love.
God is love!
We are not in a master-slave relationship!

Jesus showed His love for the Father by knowing and doing the Father's will!

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And He went a little beyond them, and fell on His face and prayed, saying,
“My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from Me;
yet not as I will, but as You will.”

Matthew 26:39​
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Keep in mind!
Jesus had no fallen nature when he said that!
Jesus was never a "natural man" as you love to banter around.
Yet he without sin still had to choose to submit his will to the Father’s will!

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cv5 said:
More like living in a state of perpetual stygian spiritual darkness, the manifestation of which is this seething cauldron of diatribes and condemnations against the unsaved that we are forced to behold while mortified.....:cry:
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Your puffed up act of indignation never ceases to amaze me!
 
Genez said:
God the Holy Spirit is the Christian's life support.

So? What are you going to be waiting for?
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I guess the evidence that the Spirit is actually at work in you. Your own personal testimony is that you don't walk in the Spirit when posting with me.
 
@Whomsoever :

I wanted to add that the Day of the Lord or God's Wrath beginning with the 1st Trumpet Judgment is God's answer to the cry of the saints in Heaven who had been martyred by the Antichrist. The cry of these saints takes place in the 5th seal.

So the timeline of the important seals is like this:

1. 4th seal = Death - Antichrist killing everyone when he enforces the Mark and demands worship.
2. 5th seal = Saints cry out for having just been killed by the Antichrist.
3. 6th seal = God's response to their cry, which leads to justice (God's Wrath) with the 7 trumpet judgments and 7 bowl judgments.

The prophetic sequence of end-time events demonstrates that God’s sovereignty works in harmony with human free will under His drawing and enlightenment. From the Rapture onward, Jesus’ command to “watch and pray always” (Luke 21:36) shows that believers must willingly respond to God’s gracious call, being drawn by His Spirit and enlightened by His Word to choose faith and obedience. During Christ’s Millennial reign, mankind still retains freedom of choice, for the nations may freely come to worship the Lord at Jerusalem or refuse and bear the consequences (Zechariah 14:16–19). Even after a thousand years of perfect righteousness, when Satan is released, many will still choose rebellion (Revelation 20:7–9), proving that God never forces love or loyalty. At the Great White Throne, all are judged “according to their works” (Revelation 20:12), showing personal accountability for the choices made under God’s light. Finally, in the Eternal State, the invitation remains open to “whosoever will” to take of the water of life freely (Revelation 22:17). Thus, throughout all ages, God graciously draws and enlightens mankind, yet man must freely respond in faith, proving that divine sovereignty and human choice coexist in perfect balance.




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If we are painstaking about this phase of our development, we will be amazed before we are half way through. We are going to know a new freedom and a new happiness. We will not regret the past nor wish to shut the door on it. We will comprehend the word serenity and we will know peace. No matter how far down the scale we have gone, we will see how our experience can benefit others. That feeling of uselessness and self-pity will disappear. We will lose interest in selfish things and gain interest in our fellows. Self-seeking will slip away. Our whole attitude and outlook upon life will change. Fear of people and of economic insecurity will leave us. We will intuitively know how to handle situations which used to baffle us. We will suddenly realize that God is doing for us what we could not do for ourselves. Are these extravagant promises? We think not. They are being fulfilled among us — sometimes quickly, sometimes slowly. They will always materialize if we work for them. The Promises from the Big Book of AA Chapter 6.
 
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Bible_Highlighter said:
As for the end of the world:
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15. Earth Purified by Fire – The Day of the Lord Ends:
The earth is purified by fire similar to how the earth was once purified by water during the global flood. The Day of the Lord officially ends.
Scripture: 2 Peter 3:10-12.
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We are pretty close actually, but with some differences.
I am sure that point 15 precedes the new heaven and new earth.

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https://christianchat.com/threads/will-there-be-a-rapture.216189/post-5364861

TheDivineWatermark said:
BTW, Jesus' own words shows that the "GREAT tribulation" only commences at the MID-point of the 7 yr period
Clearly. This mid-point coinciding with......this phenomenon.
For reasons that are obvious.

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Actually, Israel's chastisement in earnest (aka "great tribulation" - specific to the sons of Jacob alone) occurs AFTER the AC is possessed/indwelt and vastly supercharged with power by Satan.

The 10 kings who remain after the tribulation wars give their power to the AC only AFTER he is resurrected from the dead (deadly head wound healed). Only then do they submit AND WORSHIP HIM. Because the AC is now (by their perception anyways) "unkillable". So unkillable that this end-time confederacy BELIEVES that they can actually go to war with YHVH and win. A Satanic deception of course......they all die.

The persecution of the Saints/Israel rapidly accelerates after Satan indwells the AC (mid-trib), who then becomes vastly powerful. You either take the mark of the beast or are executed. Resistance means death. All world governments assist in this pogrom.

Rev 13:3
And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

Rev 13:4
And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

Rev 13:5
And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

Rev 13:12
And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

Rev 13:14
And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
 
Rufus said:
I'm saying that all those with whom God had no personal, intimate, affectionate, covenantal knowledge, he simply chose to let them remain in their sin in Adam. While it's not God's preceptive will for any to sin, it's also not God's decretive will to save all people on the planet in the distributive sense.
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How does God chose to simply allow all to remain in sin when everyone is born with a corrupted seed.

What God chose was for man to obey God in the garden,

God did choose for man to die or to remain in sin, he said if you sin you will die.

I take it you understand that much
 
Genez said:
Jordon.... you sound like a radically brainwashed college student.
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I'm not surprised what you say anymore, but I have more authority than you to, and I'm probably only half your age.

I'll be spending the rest of my life in peace. Unlike your endless nightmare
 
 
cv5 said:
We are pretty close actually, but with some differences.
I am sure that point 15 precedes the new heaven and new earth.

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https://christianchat.com/threads/will-there-be-a-rapture.216189/post-5364861

TheDivineWatermark said:
BTW, Jesus' own words shows that the "GREAT tribulation" only commences at the MID-point of the 7 yr period
Clearly. This mid-point coinciding with......this phenomenon.
For reasons that are obvious.

================================================================================

Actually, Israel's chastisement in earnest (aka "great tribulation" - specific to the sons of Jacob alone) occurs AFTER the AC is possessed/indwelt and vastly supercharged with power by Satan.

The 10 kings who remain after the tribulation wars give their power to the AC only AFTER he is resurrected from the dead (deadly head wound healed). Only then do they submit AND WORSHIP HIM. Because the AC is now (by their perception anyways) "unkillable". So unkillable that this end-time confederacy BELIEVES that they can actually go to war with YHVH and win. A Satanic deception of course......they all die.

The persecution of the Saints/Israel rapidly accelerates after Satan indwells the AC (mid-trib), who then becomes vastly powerful. You either take the mark of the beast or are executed. Resistance means death. All world governments assist in this pogrom.

Rev 13:3
And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

Rev 13:4
And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

Rev 13:5
And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

Rev 13:12
And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

Rev 13:14
And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
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Need to add these verses.....

[Rev 13:3 KJV]
And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

[Rev 13:4 KJV]
And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who [is] like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

[Rev 13:5 KJV]
And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty [and] two months.

[Rev 13:6 KJV]
And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

[Rev 13:7 KJV]
And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

[Rev 13:8 KJV]
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
 
Genez said:
Why is that a legitimate question?
Tell us why.
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look you've lost all credibility with me, I don't want you to be my teacher, and I'm not your pet Guinea pig, for being on the recieving end of your lack of authority.

Because if you had any authority in you, you would have accepted the truth by now, long ago in fact.

The truth is your a mean old Muppet with no respect but for yourself
 
reneweddaybyday said:
Jordon ... "huh" with a question mark after it is a question ... it is not an expression of scorn.

Me_Clay said: "I am not a fan of reformer, Jesus tells us they never reformed."​
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Dino said: "Huh?"​

Dino was asking Clay to clarify what was meant ...

from Mirriam Webster dictionary:

The meaning of HUH is —used to express surprise, disbelief, or confusion, or as an inquiry inviting affirmative reply.​

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err your friend @Me_Clay clay has called me a biblically retarded bastard.
 
cv5 said:
Since when are your walking in the Spirit and loving God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength while believing and promoting false doctrine?
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So...you asked me for an example and I gave it. I asked you for an example, and you attack me. Which of us doesn't walk in the Spirit?

Still waiting for your answer.
 
cv5 said:
Can you give an example from scripture where a believer loved God with all his heart, soul, mind, and strength?
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Jesus Christ the Federal Head of his Father's elect always "loved God with all his heart, soul, mind and strength". And, yes, Jesus always relied upon the Holy Spirit and trusted his Father.
 
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