Acts 2:38 Comparison: Evangelical vs. Oneness / Baptismal-Regeneration View

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LightBearer316 said:
@studier remember when you tried this. :ROFL:.
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You mean do I remember when you misrepresenting what I said? Yes I do.

Now I can see you're ridiculing that distortion as if I’d said it.

Several fallacies are present here and are now par for the course.

That's enough of your hypocritical games for now.

I and it seems some others here came to realize at whatever points along our varied ways that these systematic theologies are fraught with problems. They just don't match Scripture.

I've come to learn on these forums that they are represented poorly and aggressively, which is a bad combination. I used to see and read it in the scholarly realm, but it was milder and there was some decorum most of the time.

Scripture only, now.
 
studier said:
Already answered. More Typinator canned responses.
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More AI scripted response. Your AI model is glitchy time to upgrade!

That’s an easy claim to make when you’re out of answers. Every point I’ve made is built directly from the text itself — the same way Paul reasoned from the Scriptures (Acts 17:2 KJV). No help needed to defeat the unsound theology you bring up.

Grace and peace.
 
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Ouch said:
Nope, scared.

We can seperate them this way.

Look for the churchs that beleive the man-made sinners prayer is all you have to do to be saved.
Or saved by grace or faith alone.
Paul preached a different message. etc.

None of it is bible.

As we can tell by HIS word, we are suppose to baptized in JESUS name so look of all of the churchs who baptized in the name of the father, the son and the Holy Ghost.

JESUS said we have to be born of water and of spirit, look for churches that JESUS hasn't filled them with the Holy Ghost like HE did with HIS DISCIPLES in Acts 2:4.

You can see the ones following JESUS and HIS word or man's, you can pick them out yourself.
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If you know the Truth then heresy stands out in a forest of denominations, for sure!
 
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TruthDefender said:
If you know the Truth then heresy stands out in a forest of denominations, for sure!
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That’s exactly why we have to let the whole counsel of God speak, not just one verse pulled from a narrative passage.

Acts 2:38 KJV must be read alongside passages like Acts 10:43–48 KJV and Ephesians 1:7, 13 KJV — where forgiveness and the gift of the Spirit come through faith in Christ before baptism. Peter himself said, “To Him give all the prophets witness, that through His name whosoever believeth in Him shall receive remission of sins.”

The command to be baptized in Jesus’ name doesn’t replace the formula of Matthew 28:19; it identifies the authority of the one name shared by Father, Son, and Spirit — not a different baptism.

When we hold Scripture against Scripture, it becomes clear: salvation is by grace through faith (Eph. 2:8–9 KJV), baptism is the outward confession of that faith (Acts 22:16 KJV), and heresy arises when one verse is isolated to build a new gospel (Gal. 1:6–9 KJV).

Grace and truth must walk together, or neither stands.
 
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studier said:
You mean do I remember when you misrepresenting what I said? Yes I do.

Now I can see you're ridiculing that distortion as if I’d said it.

Several fallacies are present here and are now par for the course.

That's enough of your hypocritical games for now.

I and it seems some others here came to realize at whatever points along our varied ways that these systematic theologies are fraught with problems. They just don't match Scripture.

I've come to learn on these forums that they are represented poorly and aggressively, which is a bad combination. I used to see and read it in the scholarly realm, but it was milder and there was some decorum most of the time.

Scripture only, now.
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Ridicule isn’t an argument — it’s a substitute for one.

What I said was grounded in how Paul actually uses hupēkousan and episteusen — terms that stand in contrast (Romans 10:16–17 KJV), not equivalence. If you think that’s “misrepresentation,” quote the verse and show where the exegesis fails. That’s how we test truth — by the text, not by reactions.

“Scripture only” means letting Scripture interpret Scripture, not just repeating slogans. The moment we stop doing that, we’ve replaced exegesis with emotion.

Grace and peace.
 
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studier said:
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off the rails again.
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The problem - error with that framework is that it collapses Paul’s entire distinction between believing and obeying. In Romans 10:16–17 KJV, Paul contrasts the two—those who “obeyed not” are those who did not believe. The verbs hupēkousan and episteusen stand opposite, not equivalent. When obedience is linguistically merged into faith itself, it no longer remains a fruit of faith but becomes part of the cause of justification—which directly undermines Paul’s argument in Romans 4 where Abraham is said to be “justified by faith, not by works.” Faith produces obedience; it is not defined by it. That distinction safeguards grace and keeps Scripture’s categories intact.

Grace and Peace
 
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Ouch said:
Nope, scared.

We can seperate them this way.

Look for the churchs that beleive the man-made sinners prayer is all you have to do to be saved.
Or saved by grace or faith alone.
Paul preached a different message. etc.

None of it is bible.

As we can tell by HIS word, we are suppose to baptized in JESUS name so look of all of the churchs who baptized in the name of the father, the son and the Holy Ghost.

JESUS said we have to be born of water and of spirit, look for churches that JESUS hasn't filled them with the Holy Ghost like HE did with HIS DISCIPLES in Acts 2:4.

You can see the ones following JESUS and HIS word or man's, you can pick them out yourself.
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Not just Jesus’ name:

“Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭28‬:‭19‬ ‭NKJV‬‬
 
TruthDefender said:
Not just Jesus’ name:

“Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭28‬:‭19‬ ‭NKJV‬‬
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That’s right — Jesus Himself gave the baptismal command in Matthew 28:19 KJV, saying to baptize “in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.” The singular word “name” unites the three persons in one divine authority. When the apostles baptized “in Jesus’ name” (Acts 2:38; 10:48 KJV), they weren’t changing the formula — they were identifying whose authority they acted under: the same triune God Jesus revealed. The Father planned redemption, the Son accomplished it, and the Spirit applies it. To isolate one name against the others isn’t more biblical — it actually contradicts the fullness of Christ’s own command. Scripture harmonizes when we let every passage speak together, not when we pit one verse against another. Any other interpretation does great violence to Scripture and the unity of God’s revealed Word.


Grace and Peace
Acts 17:11 (KJV)
“These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.”
 
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TruthDefender said:
Not just Jesus’ name:

“Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭28‬:‭19‬ ‭NKJV‬‬
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Good post TruthDefender Unfortunately, they can never seem to defend their positions biblically without twisting Scripture so far out of context that they end up exposing their own contradictions. It’s the same pattern every time — when sound exegesis fails, they resort to name-calling, mockery, or distraction. Sadly, that’s been the consistent behavior across nearly every discussion with the Oneness/“Jesus Only”/United Pentecostal Church International UPCI camp.


Grace and Peace
 
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TruthDefender said:
Not just Jesus’ name:

“Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭28‬:‭19‬ ‭NKJV‬‬
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No, just JESUS name but I'm humble.

JESUS was speaking to those who knew HIM, notice baptized "IN THE NAME OF" the father, the son and the Holy Ghost?

What did Peter say in Acts 2:38? Baptized in JESUS name and all of the other times about being baptized?

Did Peter disobey JESUS or obey HIM?

You will also notice no one was baptized in JESUS titles.

JESUS revels who HE is in Matthew 28:19.
 
Ouch said:
No, just JESUS name but I'm humble.

JESUS was speaking to those who knew HIM, notice baptized "IN THE NAME OF" the father, the son and the Holy Ghost?

What did Peter say in Acts 2:38? Baptized in JESUS name and all of the other times about being baptized?

Did Peter disobey JESUS or obey HIM?

You will also notice no one was baptized in JESUS titles.

JESUS revels who HE is in Matthew 28:19.
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Humble or not, you’re Incorrect. Just because it doesn’t repeat itself fully in another verse doesn’t mean that you ignore the one verse that actually commands you to do so!
 
LightBearer316 said:
Good post TruthDefender Unfortunately, they can never seem to defend their positions biblically without twisting Scripture so far out of context that they end up exposing their own contradictions. It’s the same pattern every time — when sound exegesis fails, they resort to name-calling, mockery, or distraction. Sadly, that’s been the consistent behavior across nearly every discussion with the Oneness/“Jesus Only”/United Pentecostal Church International UPCI camp.


Grace and Peace
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Your problem is not with the UPC church, your problem is with GODS WORD.
 
TruthDefender said:
Humble or not, you’re Incorrect. Just because it doesn’t repeat itself fully in another verse doesn’t mean that you ignore the one verse that actually commands you to do so!
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I understand your concern, if the for runners of the catholic church didn't start the trinty thing in 325 people would not be so confused.

Again, JESUS was not speaking to those who didn't know HIM HE was speaking to those who did.

If you going to say that is the way we are suppose to be baptized then you need to prove it with HIS word.

As we can tell, the bible has to confirm the truth at least twice.

2 Corinthians 13:1 This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.

So JESUS said it, that does not mean anyone did it.

Show me in HIS word where anyone got baptized that way.

I am humble, but not to men I ONLY FOLLOW HIS WORD.
 
TruthDefender said:
That would be you! UPC?
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I never said I was UPC why would you guess that?

PLEASE DON'T TELL me UPC are the only ones who follow JESUS and HIS WORD.

I don't get into denominations or mens views ONLY HIS WORD so share HIS word and let it do the talking.
 
LightBearer316 said:
Genesis 1 doesn’t describe the Word acting as the Spirit, but rather the Spirit and the Word acting together in creation.


In Genesis 1:2, “the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters,” and in Psalm 33:6, we’re told, “By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath [Spirit] of his mouth.”
The Word and the Spirit are distinct yet unified in divine action — both fully God, both eternal, but not interchangeable.


John 1:1-3 reveals that “the Word was with God, and the Word was God… all things were made by Him.”
That doesn’t mean the Spirit in Genesis 1 was the Word; it means the Son and the Spirit worked in perfect unity. The Spirit energizes creation; the Word articulates it.


Conflating the two removes the personal distinctions within the Godhead that Scripture itself maintains. The Word became flesh (John 1:14); the Spirit did not. That’s why Jesus could later promise to send the Spirit (John 14:26; 15:26) — He was not sending Himself.

Grace and Peace
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Actually according to the Hebrew what I posted is accurate. But then again I am Jewish and and have studied the Torah and Tanakh for the majority of my youth.
 
Ouch said:
I understand your concern, if the for runners of the catholic church didn't start the trinty thing in 325 people would not be so confused.

Again, JESUS was not speaking to those who didn't know HIM HE was speaking to those who did.

If you going to say that is the way we are suppose to be baptized then you need to prove it with HIS word.

As we can tell, the bible has to confirm the truth at least twice.

2 Corinthians 13:1 This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.

So JESUS said it, that does not mean anyone did it.

Show me in HIS word where anyone got baptized that way.

I am humble, but not to men I ONLY FOLLOW HIS WORD.
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Twice? I never heard of this!?! For you to deny the Trinity is mind blowing! I gave you that verse, but what you’re saying is that you don’t believe it; you’re voiding it out.

There is only one verse that tells us to drink a little wine for thy stomach’s sake, but I’m guessing you void this out too!?!

That verse accusing me is coming right back at you!

Idk what UPC means (hence the question mark), plz stop accusing me of nonsense.
 
TruthDefender said:
Twice? I never heard of this!?! For you to deny the Trinity is mind blowing! I gave you that verse, but what you’re saying is that you don’t believe it; you’re voiding it out.

There is only one verse that tells us to drink a little wine for thy stomach’s sake, but I’m guessing you void this out too!?!

That verse accusing me is coming right back at you!

Idk what UPC means (hence the question mark), plz stop accusing me of nonsense.
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I am really only interested in HIS word not man made denominations.

I saw that verse and JESUS means what HE says.

How did HIS disciple baptize?

If you find the answer why did they baptize that way?

Keep it simple, show me in HIS word where anyone was baptized that way.
 
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