Acts 2:38 Comparison: Evangelical vs. Oneness / Baptismal-Regeneration View

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no one is saying not to get water baptized. it those who say you are not saved if you have not been water baptized in Jesus name only.
CS1, they’ve now accused me of posting under your account too — yet another false claim that I supposedly own two accounts, with yours being the other.

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@LightBearer316 isn’t serious in a convo. He’s only serious of using AI to win an argument. He’s a robot.

Once again, false claims are being spread. I don’t use AI to “win arguments,” and I certainly don’t have multiple accounts. Everything I post is written by me — the references and formatting just come from years of study and the tools I use (like Logos Bible Software and Typinator for scripture expansion).

I’ve already explained this multiple times, yet the accusations continue. I’d encourage anyone genuinely interested in truth to focus on the content of the discussion rather than resorting to personal attacks.

Grace and Peace
 
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no one is saying not to get water baptized. it those who say you are not saved if you have not been water baptized in Jesus name only.
Agreed, CS1. It’s clear you understand the difference between obedience and salvation — something a few others here seem to keep confusing. Faith in Christ saves; baptism follows as the sign, not the cause.

Grace and Peace
Acts 17:11 (KJV)
“These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.”
 
That's exactly what it means. eis doesn't have to have a spatial aspect. It simply means moving out of something into something else; in this case, moving out of a state of unrighteousness into a state of righteousness.
That’s a fair observation, though I’d note that eis consistently carries a directional sense — it points toward a result, not the process of transition itself.

In Romans 10:10 KJV, Paul isn’t describing movement from one state to another, but the outcome of genuine belief — “unto righteousness,” meaning belief results in a righteous standing before God, not that faith gradually transfers us into it.

The distinction matters, since Paul contrasts faith and works throughout Romans. “Unto righteousness” (eis dikaiosynēn) speaks of what faith accomplishes, not the path it travels.

Grace and Peace
Acts 17:11 (KJV)
“These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.”
 
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Clarification:
Logos Bible Software is a digital research library, not an AI text generator. It provides access to commentaries, lexicons, and original-language tools — all sourced from published works, not machine-produced text.

Typinator is simply a text expansion utility — it automates repetitive typing by inserting preset text when I type shortcuts. It doesn’t analyze, “think,” or generate responses. As I’ve mentioned before, I use it only for Scripture references. For example, I type “Gen 1:1” and the verse automatically expands — saving me from having to copy and paste repeatedly.
https://ergonis.com/typinator

So if anyone assumes my posts use AI simply because they’re detailed or well-structured, that’s a misunderstanding of what these tools actually do. The writing and reasoning are entirely my own.

For the record, Logos is a research library and Typinator is a text shortcut tool. Neither generates content — they just help organize and reference material more efficiently. The arguments and writing are my own.

I share it with the forum because I have nothing to hide, and your false allegations have been exposed.
Grace and Peace

So instead of following JESUS and HIS WORD.

AI Overview
The CEO of Logos Bible Software is Chris Migura. He stepped into the role in September 2025, succeeding Bill McCarthy, who moved to the board chair position.

You follow and put your enteritey on Chris Migura and Bill McCarthy.

We all have to follow someone, some follow their pastors.

Of course when we die, we will not be able to POINT OUR FINGER or put the blame on someone else.

Looks to me like there has been plenty of JESU followers sharing HIS word with you but you refuse to accept it.

Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
 
Actually, I think you're delusional and steeped in error and go so far as to mislead others through pointing to scholarly references by name and ignore requests for actually proving what they say - whether knowing or not knowing they do not support you, is between you and our Lord who knows.

Some of this is typical for systematic camp-based soldiers who've been trained in a system but not in Scripture. But you're showing a willingness to go to an extreme to protect the system. And you have a friend who is supporting you.

Not good.

studier claims to want to debate with me, but then studier responded with a personal attack — calling me “delusional,” accusing me of “misleading others,” and even suggesting I'm part of a “systematic camp-based” mindset. That’s a clear violation of forum civility rules since it targets me rather than my ideas.

I’ll let your words stand on their own, friend. Personal accusations don’t advance biblical understanding — Scripture does. I’ve stayed focused on the text and context throughout this discussion, not on personalities or systems.

“The servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient.” — 2 Timothy 2:24 KJV

Grace and peace.
 
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So instead of following JESUS and HIS WORD.

AI Overview
The CEO of Logos Bible Software is Chris Migura. He stepped into the role in September 2025, succeeding Bill McCarthy, who moved to the board chair position.

You follow and put your enteritey on Chris Migura and Bill McCarthy.

We all have to follow someone, some follow their pastors.

Of course when we die, we will not be able to POINT OUR FINGER or put the blame on someone else.

Looks to me like there has been plenty of JESU followers sharing HIS word with you but you refuse to accept it.

Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Poisoning the well fallacy.
 
So instead of following JESUS and HIS WORD.

AI Overview
The CEO of Logos Bible Software is Chris Migura. He stepped into the role in September 2025, succeeding Bill McCarthy, who moved to the board chair position.

You follow and put your enteritey on Chris Migura and Bill McCarthy.

We all have to follow someone, some follow their pastors.

Of course when we die, we will not be able to POINT OUR FINGER or put the blame on someone else.

Looks to me like there has been plenty of JESU followers sharing HIS word with you but you refuse to accept it.

Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Just to clarify — I never mentioned the CEO of Logos; that was something you brought up.
My post only explained what Logos Bible Software and Typinator actually are — simple research and typing tools, not sources of doctrine or AI. My faith and study are centered on Christ and His Word alone.
Using a research library doesn’t mean following a person; it means being diligent to handle Scripture accurately.
“Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.” — 2 Timothy 2:15 KJV

Logos and Olive Tree are both Bible study apps — they let you keep your Bibles, commentaries, and other books in digital format. You can highlight, search, and read right from your phone, tablet, or computer.

They’re just modern ways to study Scripture — like having your bookshelf and Bible in one app. Nothing more.

Have you ever used one?

Grace and Peace
 
So instead of following JESUS and HIS WORD.

AI Overview
The CEO of Logos Bible Software is Chris Migura. He stepped into the role in September 2025, succeeding Bill McCarthy, who moved to the board chair position.

You follow and put your enteritey on Chris Migura and Bill McCarthy.

We all have to follow someone, some follow their pastors.

Of course when we die, we will not be able to POINT OUR FINGER or put the blame on someone else.

Looks to me like there has been plenty of JESU followers sharing HIS word with you but you refuse to accept it.

Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
So by that logic, if someone uses SwordSearcher Bible Software, does that make them a follower of Brandon Staggs, the programmer and owner of it — or a follower of Jesus Christ?


Obviously, using a Bible study program doesn’t mean you follow the person who coded it. It’s just a tool to help study God’s Word more efficiently.


My faith isn’t in software developers — it’s in the Savior the software points to.



https://www.swordsearcher.com/features.html. Watch the videos
 
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Clarification:
Logos Bible Software is a digital research library, not an AI text generator. It provides access to commentaries, lexicons, and original-language tools — all sourced from published works, not machine-produced text.

Typinator is simply a text expansion utility — it automates repetitive typing by inserting preset text when I type shortcuts. It doesn’t analyze, “think,” or generate responses. As I’ve mentioned before, I use it only for Scripture references. For example, I type “Gen 1:1” and the verse automatically expands — saving me from having to copy and paste repeatedly.
https://ergonis.com/typinator

So if anyone assumes my posts use AI simply because they’re detailed or well-structured, that’s a misunderstanding of what these tools actually do. The writing and reasoning are entirely my own.

For the record, Logos is a research library and Typinator is a text shortcut tool. Neither generates content — they just help organize and reference material more efficiently. The arguments and writing are my own.

I share it with the forum because I have nothing to hide, and your false allegations have been exposed.
Grace and Peace

I've been clear about what I've said re: AI and having AI review one of your early posts.

I've no issue with Logos and have owned it since the company was in its early days. I don't use it that much as I favor another system that's specifically a languages tool.

As I inferred in another post, I have no clue why it took you 700+ posts to clarify the use of Typinator and any other system you use. It does explain your canned posts. Also, just because you use this system does not mean you're not using AI also.

It's interesting how you'll put energy into responding to this matter but not to the matter of your misuse of lexical and scholarly resources that do not substantiate your translational errors. Hopefully you've gone back and corrected your erroneous scripts and don't continue to paste them into your posts.
 
Isn’t it amazing that the 3k on Pentecost didn’t squabble or look for loopholes (like the massive majority do) about being baptized for the remission of sins?
 
I actually love Bible software — I own just about all of them.
  • Logos (love–hate relationship with it!)
  • Olive Tree Bible App - currently my favorite
  • SwordSearcher (still have it on my wife’s old IBM PC for sentimental reasons — it was the first Bible study software I ever used before switching to Mac)
  • PocketBible and Accordance (don’t use those much)
  • I even tinker with Parallels Plus from time to time.
Do I get down on my knees and worship the CEOs, programmers, or developers of these apps? Of course not. They’re just tools — ways to read, search, and study the Scriptures more effectively.

My faith isn’t in the people who made the tools, but in the God who inspired the Word those tools help me study.

NONE of these programs listed have ai!
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I actually love Bible software — I own just about all of them.
  • Logos (love–hate relationship with it!)
  • Olive Tree Bible App - currently my favorite
  • SwordSearcher (still have it on my wife’s old IBM PC for sentimental reasons — it was the first Bible study software I ever used before switching to Mac)
  • PocketBible and Accordance (don’t use those much)
  • I even tinker with Parallels Plus from time to time.
Do I get down on my knees and worship the CEOs, programmers, or developers of these apps? Of course not. They’re just tools — ways to read, search, and study the Scriptures more effectively.

My faith isn’t in the people who made the tools, but in the God who inspired the Word those tools help me study.

NONE of these programs listed have ai!
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I know you like the formatting, but overuse of headings, subheadings, bullets, bolding and colors makes posts unreadable. And by that I mean I don't read them.
 
It's interesting how you'll put energy into responding to this matter but not to the matter of your misuse of lexical and scholarly resources that do not substantiate your translational errors.
If you think so little of me — and of the tools or sources I use — then why invest so much energy trying to refute them?
It seems inconsistent to claim my arguments aren’t worth engaging, yet still keep engaging them.
The truth is, I don’t rely on AI or “systems” or post under CS1's account — I rely on study, Scripture, and the Spirit of God to discern truth.

Grace and Peace
 
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In Romans 10:10 KJV, Paul isn’t describing movement from one state to another, but the outcome of genuine belief — “unto righteousness,” meaning belief results in a righteous standing before God, not that faith gradually transfers us into it.

No, it's describing the means to an outcome, not the outcome itself, ie, believe into righteousness, acknowledge into salvation.
 
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Agreed, CS1. It’s clear you understand the difference between obedience and salvation — something a few others here seem to keep confusing. Faith in Christ saves; baptism follows as the sign, not the cause.
Amen! Understing that critical difference is the difference between salvation and condemnation! Prior to my conversion while still attending the RCC, I basically defined faith "as" obedience/works, which caused me to trust in works for salvation and not in Jesus Christ alone. Coming to understand the difference was my turning point to salvation. (Romans 4:5-6; 5:1-2; 11:6; Ephesians 2:8,9)

These folks who teach salvation by faith AND works will take both faith AND works and wrap them up in a package together (basically making no distinction between the two) then simply stamp "faith" on the package. It is faith in Christ that saves and baptism follows as the sign, not the cause. Folks who turn baptism into the cause end up turning a sign into a savior.
 
Isn’t it amazing that the 3k on Pentecost didn’t squabble or look for loopholes (like the massive majority do) about being baptized for the remission of sins? They didn’t ask Peter what he meant. They simply obeyed. It’s no different than when people squabble and look for loopholes over every other verse about baptism. No one in the New Testament who got saved never made any fuss or griped about baptism. When one wants to be saved, they will take Jesus at His word. And when someone loves Jesus, they will be willing to repent of any sinful act or lifestyle that they find themselves in.
 
studier claims to want to debate with me, but then studier responded with a personal attack — calling me “delusional,” accusing me of “misleading others,” and even suggesting I'm part of a “systematic camp-based” mindset. That’s a clear violation of forum civility rules since it targets me rather than my ideas.

I’ll let your words stand on their own, friend. Personal accusations don’t advance biblical understanding — Scripture does. I’ve stayed focused on the text and context throughout this discussion, not on personalities or systems.

“The servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient.” — 2 Timothy 2:24 KJV

Grace and peace.

Speaking about me and others while not copying me or others is another poor practice of yours. Practice some courtesy and consider that it's likely from what I see that you don't have the fawning audience you seem to be pandering to with these types of posts.

Comments like this are a part of why I said you're delusional and I've also referred to another post of yours as "pathetic" as I recall. You make things up and you project and/or practice hypocrisy and apparently do not own a mirror.

Each one of these posts can be like a little world unto its own. If you have the ability to separate posts and responses, you'll see that I've asked you on multiple occasions to support your work and resources, which you've ignored and deflected from. So please don't try to infer that want to debate. Other posts of yours I've responded to as I did in the one your whining about.

So, do you want to respond to the post where I did your homework for you proving to a fair degree your errors? Or would you prefer to keep playing this victim card while ignoring substantive discussion and pretending you have no faults and everyone is out to get you?

BTW, your presentations are mostly text-book faith-alone theology that has been advanced to an extreme. It's at least one of the reasons @mailmandan gives you so much encouragement - because it's not unique and is most certainly a theological tradition held by others - camp-based as I put it. You keep asking others where they go to church. Why don't you tell us your background and where you go to church and what its theology is? Just how unique do you think your theology is?
 
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Speaking about me and others while not copying me or others is another poor practice of yours. Practice some courtesy and consider that it's likely from what I see that you don't have the fawning audience you seem to be pandering to with these types of posts.

Comments like this are a part of why I said you're delusional and I've also referred to another post of yours as "pathetic" as I recall. You make things up and you project and/or practice hypocrisy and apparently do not own a mirror.

Each one of these posts can be like a little world unto its own. If you have the ability to separate posts and responses, you'll see that I've asked you on multiple occasions to support your work and resources, which you've ignored and deflected from. So please don't try to infer that want to debate. Other posts of yours I've responded to as I did in the one your whining about.

So, do you want to respond to the post where I did your homework for you proving to a fair degree your errors? Or would you prefer to keep playing this victim card while ignoring substantive discussion and pretending you have no faults and everyone is out to get you?

BTW, your presentations are mostly text-book faith-alone theology that has been advanced to an extreme. It's at least one of the reasons @mailmandan gives you so much encouragement - because it's not unique and is most certainly a theological tradition held by others - camp-based as I put it. You keep asking others where they go to church. Why don't you tell us your background and where you go to church and what its theology is? Just how unique do you think your theology is?
Amen..amen..amen…
 
If you think so little of me — and of the tools or sources I use — then why invest so much energy trying to refute them?
It seems inconsistent to claim my arguments aren’t worth engaging, yet still keep engaging them.
The truth is, I don’t rely on AI or “systems” or post under CS1's account — I rely on study, Scripture, and the Spirit of God to discern truth.

Grace and Peace

I mainly think little of some of your erroneous and falsely credentialed work that you have yet to admit was erroneous. This simply put speaks of low integrity in dealing with Scripture which I value greatly.

From there, I've made it clear where I think you go off the rails in another direction.

Where have I said your errors in Scripture are not worth engaging?

OK, you've put the AI thing to rest to some degree for now. Maybe you've used it to put together input for Typinator. Maybe you can learn to disclose things earlier because your posts are obviously canned and repetitively pasted and your openings and their verbiage is just like AI. I know nothing about this CS1's account issue, so please talk to others about it and not me.

We all think and say we rely on the Spirit to discern truth, yet we have multitudes of denominations, including the one you're in.