Acts 2:38 Comparison: Evangelical vs. Oneness / Baptismal-Regeneration View

[Blue155]

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The very fact that you’re forcing a sequence like that, Blue155, shows a misunderstanding of how Scripture harmonizes repentance and faith. They’re never divided that way in the New Testament.

Grace and Peace

Did the people on Pentecost have remission of sins before or after they repented and was baptized for the remission of sins?

 

[Blue155]

They weren’t told to repent in order to be saved, but because they believed the message and were convicted in their hearts (Acts 2:37 KJV).
Repentance was the immediate fruit of that belief — the proof that faith was real — not a separate step before salvation.
Peter’s call to baptism was the outward sign of their inward faith, the same pattern seen throughout the New Testament (Acts 10:43–48 KJV; Ephesians 1:13 KJV).

Again... I’d encourage you to take a step back and reread my responses carefully — and even more, to go over the Scriptures prayerfully and ask God for clarity on what they’re really saying. As in take a few days off...

Grace and peace.

So they had remission of sins before they had remission of sins?

 

[Blue155]

So, they were saved before they repented? Then why didn’t Peter tell them that?

 

[LightBearer316]

“Did the people on Pentecost have remission of sins before or after they repented and was baptized for the remission of sins?”
They received remission the moment they believed Peter’s message about the risen Christ. Their repentance flowed from that conviction; “they were pricked in their heart” (Acts 2:37 KJV) — and baptism was the outward confession of the faith they already had.
Faith precedes forgiveness (Acts 10:43 KJV, Ephesians 1:13 KJV).


“So they had remission of sins before they had remission of sins?”
Nope, they had faith before the sign of remission. Salvation isn’t repeated; it’s revealed. Their belief brought forgiveness through Christ’s blood, and baptism simply displayed that forgiveness publicly (Romans 10:10 KJV).


“So, they were saved before they repented? Then why didn’t Peter tell them that?”
Because repentance and faith are inseparable. You can’t truly believe without turning to God, and you can’t repent without believing. Peter’s call was for already-believing Jews to demonstrate their faith through repentance and baptism; not to earn salvation, but to testify of it (Acts 2:37–38 KJV, Acts 10:47–48 KJV).


Scripture never pits faith, repentance, and baptism against each other — it harmonizes them.
Faith brings salvation; repentance expresses that faith; and baptism declares it publicly.

That’s what it means to “rightly divide the word of truth” (2 Timothy 2:15 KJV).

Again... I’d encourage you to take a step back and reread my responses carefully — and even more, to go over the Scriptures prayerfully and ask God for clarity on what they’re really saying. As in take a few days off...

Grace and Peace
Acts 17:11 (KJV)
“These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.”

 

[Blue155]

They received remission the moment they believed Peter’s message about the risen Christ. Their repentance flowed from that conviction — “they were pricked in their heart” (Acts 2:37 KJV) — and baptism was the outward confession of the faith they already had.

Baptism is for the remission of sins.

 

[Blue155]

“Did the people on Pentecost have remission of sins before or after they repented and was baptized for the remission of sins?”
They received remission the moment they believed Peter’s message about the risen Christ. Their repentance flowed from that conviction; “they were pricked in their heart” (Acts 2:37 KJV) — and baptism was the outward confession of the faith they already had.
Faith precedes forgiveness (Acts 10:43 KJV, Ephesians 1:13 KJV).


“So they had remission of sins before they had remission of sins?”
Nope, they had faith before the sign of remission. Salvation isn’t repeated; it’s revealed. Their belief brought forgiveness through Christ’s blood, and baptism simply displayed that forgiveness publicly (Romans 10:10 KJV).


“So, they were saved before they repented? Then why didn’t Peter tell them that?”
Because repentance and faith are inseparable. You can’t truly believe without turning to God, and you can’t repent without believing. Peter’s call was for already-believing Jews to demonstrate their faith through repentance and baptism; not to earn salvation, but to testify of it (Acts 2:37–38 KJV, Acts 10:47–48 KJV).


Scripture never pits faith, repentance, and baptism against each other — it harmonizes them.
Faith brings salvation; repentance expresses that faith; and baptism declares it publicly.

That’s what it means to “rightly divide the word of truth” (2 Timothy 2:15 KJV).

Again... I’d encourage you to take a step back and reread my responses carefully — and even more, to go over the Scriptures prayerfully and ask God for clarity on what they’re really saying. As in take a few days off...

Grace and Peace
Acts 17:11 (KJV)
“These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.”

They received the remission of sins when they repented and were baptized for the remission of sins. That is how we know they believed Peter’s message.

 

[LightBearer316]

Baptism is for the remission of sins.

You’re right that baptism is “for the remission of sins” (Acts 2:38 KJV), but context matters.
The same phrase “for the remission of sins” appears in Matthew 26:28 KJV, where Jesus said,

“For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.”​

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Christ’s blood — not the water — is what provides remission. Baptism identifies the believer with that finished work.
It’s an outward confession of an inward faith; a visible testimony of the forgiveness already received through the blood of Christ (Ephesians 1:7 KJV, Acts 10:43 KJV).

Again... I’d encourage you to take a step back and reread my responses carefully — and even more, to go over the Scriptures prayerfully and ask God for clarity on what they’re really saying. As in take a few days off...

Grace and peace.

 

[LightBearer316]

They received the remission of sins when they repented and were baptized for the remission of sins. That is how we know they believed Peter’s message.

Again... I’d encourage you to take a step back and reread my responses carefully — and even more, to go over the Scriptures prayerfully and ask God for clarity on what they’re really saying. As in take a few days off...

 

[Blue155]

You’re right that baptism is “for the remission of sins” (Acts 2:38 KJV), but context matters.
The same phrase “for the remission of sins” appears in Matthew 26:28 KJV, where Jesus said,

“For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.”​

​

Christ’s blood — not the water — is what provides remission. Baptism identifies the believer with that finished work.
It’s an outward confession of an inward faith; a visible testimony of the forgiveness already received through the blood of Christ (Ephesians 1:7 KJV, Acts 10:43 KJV).

Again... I’d encourage you to take a step back and reread my responses carefully — and even more, to go over the Scriptures prayerfully and ask God for clarity on what they’re really saying. As in take a few days off...

Grace and peace.

Never said the water remits.

 

[LightBearer316]

Never said the water remits.

Again... I’d encourage you to take a step back and reread my responses carefully — and even more, to go over the Scriptures prayerfully and ask God for clarity on what they’re really saying. As in take a few days off...

 

[studier]

It does express intent; because it expresses purpose; which is a goal or aim existing in the intent. It is "toward-looking" rather than "Forward-looking"

It's definitely a discussion for English thinkers. Here's how I see it: eis marks the target or outcome an action moves toward - the what - and dia marks the internal reason, intent, or cause - the why. Even going back to the basics of viewing eis spatially, it points to the object itself, not the intention behind the motion, and English often blurs the two beyond what the grammar allows and expresses things more conceptually, e.g., the "intended result/goal/outcome" which blends the 2 Greek prepositions.

 

[LightBearer316]

It's definitely a discussion for English thinkers. Here's how I see it: eis marks the target or outcome an action moves toward - the what - and dia marks the internal reason, intent, or cause - the why. Even going back to the basics of viewing eis spatially, it points to the object itself, not the intention behind the motion, and English often blurs the two beyond what the grammar allows and expresses things more conceptually, e.g., the "intended result/goal/outcome" which blends the 2 Greek prepositions.

I’d honestly enjoy engaging further on this, but unfortunately, this isn’t the first time I’ve had to report a “wolf in sheep’s clothing” image posted to mock me personally. I’ve already answered every question from Blue155 thoroughly and thoughtfully, but it’s clear he had no genuine interest in reading or even considering the explanations.

Grace and peace.

 

[Blue155]

I’d honestly enjoy engaging further on this, but unfortunately, this isn’t the first time I’ve had to report a “wolf in sheep’s clothing” image posted to mock me personally. I’ve already answered every question from Blue155 thoroughly and thoughtfully, but it’s clear he had no genuine interest in reading or even considering the explanations.

Grace and peace.

No, you have not!!

 

[studier]

You’re right that baptism is “for the remission of sins” (Acts 2:38 KJV), but context matters.
The same phrase “for the remission of sins” appears in Matthew 26:28 KJV, where Jesus said,

“For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.”​

​

Christ’s blood — not the water — is what provides remission. Baptism identifies the believer with that finished work.
It’s an outward confession of an inward faith; a visible testimony of the forgiveness already received through the blood of Christ (Ephesians 1:7 KJV, Acts 10:43 KJV).

Again... I’d encourage you to take a step back and reread my responses carefully — and even more, to go over the Scriptures prayerfully and ask God for clarity on what they’re really saying. As in take a few days off...

Grace and peace.

But I thought you said Acts2:38 means "because of the remission of sins".

Very confusing this inconsistency.

 

[studier]

I’d honestly enjoy engaging further on this, but unfortunately, this isn’t the first time I’ve had to report a “wolf in sheep’s clothing” image posted to mock me personally. I’ve already answered every question from Blue155 thoroughly and thoughtfully, but it’s clear he had no genuine interest in reading or even considering the explanations.

Grace and peace.

Why are you informing me of this? You seem to provide me free rent inside your head at times.

How about responding to #624 and my requests and the request of @ChristRoseFromTheDead to substantiate your claimed supporting references for the discussion of "eis"?

 

[Blue155]

Why are you informing me of this? You seem to provide me free rent inside your head at times.

How about responding to #624 and my requests and the request of @ChristRoseFromTheDead to substantiate your claimed supporting references for the discussion of "eis"?

I think we are talking to a bot

 

[LightBearer316]

A Christian forum should be a place of edification, not a place to tear each other down.

Comments and actions like that don’t encourage genuine discussion — they shut it down. Sadly, that’s often exactly what those who instigate such behavior are trying to achieve.

Unfortunately, there are some who seem more interested in pushing an agenda than in honest discussion, which makes meaningful debate impossible.

Grace and Peace

 

[studier]

I think we are talking to a bot

You're at least the third one to note this or the look of AI. I also like how quickly @mailmandan gives him emojis at times.

 

[studier]

A Christian forum should be a place of edification, not a place to tear each other down.

Comments and actions like that don’t encourage genuine discussion — they shut it down. Sadly, that’s often exactly what those who instigate such behavior are trying to achieve.

Unfortunately, there are some who seem more interested in pushing an agenda than in honest discussion, which makes meaningful debate impossible.

Grace and Peace

Projection.

 

[Blue155]

You're at least the third one to note this or the look of AI. I also like how quickly @mailmandan gives him emojis at times.

Birds of a feather flock together…