Loss of salvation???

[Genez]

I'll ask one last time. Then I'm done if I done get an answer.

The two posts you made which I assume you believe, posting all the scriptures about Gods will, and how his sheep can't be lost, and how God chooses people

How is it you don't dont recognise that's exactly how people who have learned tulip believe ? Well at least the good people of God anyhow.

Now if your going to tell me you don't understand the question or as.always you dont want to answer,.I'm done

I was not thinking of anything they might think when I posted Scripture and commented concerning what I cited.

I think you do not realize that the "I" in TULIP stands of Irresistible Grace.
Its one aspect I do not agree with.
For the Scriptures reveal people were resisting God's Spirit all the time.

“You stiff-necked people! Your hearts and ears are still uncircumcised. ​

You are just like your ancestors: You always resist the Holy Spirit! " Acts 7:51​

And, another big bugaboo I have with them is "Limited Atonement."

For it says that Jesus had died for the sins of the whole world.

And He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only, ​

but also for the sins of the whole world. 1 John 2:2​

Died for everyone's sins.
Not just for the ones God determined to save, as in their limited atonement.

There are a few for you....

 

[Genez]

Now if your going to tell me you don't understand the question or as.always you dont want to answer,.I'm done

It is not that I do not understand a question.
I have not understood when someone was presenting something as a question.
It seemed they only wished to say what they believed and left it like that.

You did fine in your last post when you presented your questions, telling me that they are questions.

 

[Jordon]

I was not thinking of anything they might think when I posted Scripture and commented concerning what I cited.

I think you do not realize that the "I" in TULIP stands of Irresistible Grace.
Its one aspect I do not agree with.
For the Scriptures reveal people were resisting God's Spirit all the time.

“You stiff-necked people! Your hearts and ears are still uncircumcised. ​

You are just like your ancestors: You always resist the Holy Spirit! " Acts 7:51​

And, another big bugaboo I have with them is "Limited Atonement."

For it says that Jesus had died for the sins of the whole world.

And He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only, ​

but also for the sins of the whole world. 1 John 2:2​

Died for everyone's sins.
Not just for the ones God determined to save, as in their limited atonement.

There are a few for you....

well at least we know where we stand your ideas of limited atonement and irresistible grace don't mean what you think they do.

Limited atonement does still mean he died for the sins of the world

Irresistible grace still means his grace is saving for everyone who sins he died for.

Honestly im done

 

[Genez]

well at least we know where we stand your ideas of limited atonement and irresistible grace don't mean what you think they do.

Limited atonement does still mean he died for the sins of the world

Irresistible grace still means his grace is saving for everyone who sins he died for.

Honestly im done

You're done.
Because, you hit and run.
No explanations given from you about what you mean by what you claimed.

Bye!

You really did not want anything clarified.

 

[Magenta]

Irresistible grace still means his grace is saving for everyone who sins he died for.

John 6 v 37 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out.

 

[Genez]

John 6 v 37 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast outt.

The Father only gives the Son only those whom He was able to fully draw.


Romans 1:21-24 is a fine example of some who resisted God's drawing.

For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, ​

but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they ​

claimed to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for ​

images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.​

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Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for ​

the degrading of their bodies with one another.​

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[Jordon]

You're done.
Because, you hit and run.
No explanations given from you about what you mean by what you claimed.

Bye!

You really did not want anything clarified.

Really ok well since you can't acknowledge you've had hundreds and hundreds of points clarified and explained , maybe you just can't accept,

I clarified my points.

Limited atonement means many things, and its ok for you to make it means he died for sins of the world,.but it's not ok for you to believe, people that you see as believing tulip don't believe that also. So in effect what your doing is using the most treasured scripture of all to dogmatise people with.

Irresistible grace, its ok for you to believe it only means enabling grace, but it's not ok for anyone else to believe its the finished work if his enabling grace

Again your using the most valued saving ways of the spirit to dogmatise people with.

One major point to this is whom the lord sets free will be free indeed.

Anyway see you in the free will thread for some more Calvinist bashing

 

[Magenta]

One major point to this is whom the lord sets free will be free indeed.

John 8 v 36 plus Romans 8 v 2 If the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed. For in Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set you free from the law of sin and death.

 

[Genez]

Really ok well since you can't acknowledge you've had hundreds and hundreds of points clarified and explained , maybe you just can't accept,

I clarified my points.

Limited atonement means many things, and its ok for you to make it means he died for sins of the world,.but it's not ok for you to believe, people that you see as believing tulip don't believe that also. So in effect what your doing is using the most treasured scripture of all to dogmatise people with.

Irresistible grace, its ok for you to believe it only means enabling grace, but it's not ok for anyone else to believe its the finished work if his enabling grace

Again your using the most valued saving ways of the spirit to dogmatise people with.

One major point to this is whom the lord sets free will be free indeed.

Anyway see you in the free will thread for some more Calvinist bashing

You are a camouflage expert...
You don't want to be seen.

bye!

 

[Jordon]

You are a camouflage expert...
You don't want to be seen.

bye!

bye bye, give yourself a pat on the back for being caring. And let this act of caring be enough for you to throw 50 more insults tomorrow.

 

[sawdust]

I never said it wasn’t!!!
However, Scripture teaches it can be lost.

You implied it wasn't when you questioned it not being a reward in post #3373

Scripture teaches rewards can be lost, not the gift of salvation. All those made alive, stay alive therefore guard your heart.

 

[Jordon]

John 8 v 36 plus Romans 8 v 2 If the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed. For in Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set you free from the law of sin and death.

The main point m which he will not Get into his head, which I've told him before,

The wages for sin equals death

So how can limited atonement possibly not mean he never died for the sins of the world, when the wages of disobeying God equals death. Which means when sin enters Mans seed, it dies.

And again how could irresistible grace not mean they have not been given enabling grace first when the wages for sin is death .

He said his main argument with tulip was irresistible grace, now it's limited atonement.

He doesn't have any argument

The wages for sin is death.

But the way to life is a nice shiny light enabling your life with a new seed. His seed

For it is not I who live but Jesus Christ in me.

 

[Musicmaster]

John 6 v 37 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out.

Replacement Theology has Gentiles thinking that the quote in the placard above is a reference to you Gentiles when ripped from its context. Israel was and still is His chosen priesthood to the nations of the earth through ancient times and will pick back up going into the tribulation after the fullness of the Gentiles be come in and into the Millennium and the New Earth.

MM

 

[Musicmaster]

I never said it wasn’t!!!
However, Scripture teaches it can be lost.

Oh yeah? Where, and in reference to whom? Those in the tribulation who fail to endure unto the end will certainly be totally lost if they take the mark. Those today who are saved are saved to the uttermost. Those before the Gospel of Grace could lose theirs if they failed to adhere to the Law given that the strength of sin is the Law.

So, when one preaches "another" gospel not meant for us today, they are accursed. Peter's Gospel is one such gospel that's not relevant for us today, for we don't have to be water baptized for remission of sins.

That's freedom indeed and a wondrous gift.

MM

 

[sevoldoG]

Hebrews 6:3–8 (ESV): 3 And this we will do if God permits. 4 For it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, since they are crucifying once again the Son of God to their own harm and holding him up to contempt. 7 For land that has drunk the rain that often falls on it, and produces a crop useful to those for whose sake it is cultivated, receives a blessing from God. 8 But if it bears thorns and thistles, it is worthless and near to being cursed, and its end is to be burned.

9)But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things THAT ACCOMPANY SALVATION, though we thus speak.
The pouring out of the Holy Spirit was no small thing. Zeal, excitement, appreciation, the goodness of God was abundant, and there were people (as there is today) that witnessed this, and desired it, so they would mimic what they witnessed others doing who were filled with the Holy Ghost.
Faking being divinely chosen, time would go on, and they would “fall away” because they didn’t have the faith given by God. Or what some would call “true saving faith”.
We have the same ideas in the modern churches today. Only now, it’s offered by the preacher: “The sinners prayer”
It’s okay to ask if people think they feel the Spirit tugging at them. It’s okay to have people confess the name of Christ. It’s okay to confess that you believe that God rose him from the dead after three days. It’s okay to ask Jesus Christ to ask for forgiveness and for Jesus Christ to come into your heart.
IT’S NOT OKAY TO DECLARE SOMEONE A CHILD OF GOD after doing so. This, over the eons of Christian faith has given so many people a false sense of being filled with the Spirit, and a false sense of salvation. This, over time, becomes oppressing instead of joyous, and being let down from the promises they never experienced, they “fall away” only to be strengthened in their unbelief. Many become angry, and this only hurts the spreading of the gospel over the centuries because you have the many that mock it, and not only stay out of the “church” , but they not only don’t bring their children up with it, they do not handle the subject with reverence or respect when their offspring is old enough to be curious and ask.
This is what I’ve seen happen. I don’t know how many are guilty, but I’m pretty sure it’s more than a few.
“True saving faith” or “God given faith” are not written PLAINLY in the Bible, but neither are many other beliefs.

 

[Jordon]

Replacement Theology has Gentiles thinking that the quote in the placard above is a reference to you Gentiles when ripped from its context. Israel was and still is His chosen priesthood to the nations of the earth through ancient times and will pick back up going into the tribulation after the fullness of the Gentiles be come in and into the Millennium and the New Earth.

MM

his chosen people are the house of Israel and his work was finished on the cross

 

[sevoldoG]

If I can lose my salvation, and the great almighty has left my eternal destiny in my sinful, blood covered, filthy little finite hands, then the will of God is weak and wavering, and I need a new God to worship.
“Only when one lies fallen in the dust, in COMPLETE HUMILITY, can they see clearly that the fallen state of mankind everywhere, is not primarily in need of an example, but A SAVIOR”

 

[Genez]

The wages for sin is death.

Yes! We are all born spiritually dead! Everyone.

You constantly fail to define correctly what you keep writing about.
You tend to redefine the meanings of what TULIP professes to make them palatable.
And, you tend to become vague as to avoid confrontation with truth.

Please...

Go learn how Calvinists perceive irresistible grace to be.

Go learn how Calvinists perceive limited atonement to be. (Jesus only paid for the sins of the elect - no one else)

It is not how you are describing them.
You are trying to please both sides.

 

[Jordon]

The main point m which he will not Get into his head, which I've told him before,

The wages for sin equals death

So how can limited atonement possibly not mean he never died for the sins of the world, when the wages of disobeying God equals death. Which means when sin enters Mans seed, it dies.

And again how could irresistible grace not mean they have not been given enabling grace first when the wages for sin is death .

He said his main argument with tulip was irresistible grace, now it's limited atonement.

He doesn't have any argument

The wages for sin is death.

But the way to life is a nice shiny light enabling your life with a new seed. His seed

For it is not I who live but Jesus Christ in me.

nope explained here mr one and only kind sir @Genez

 

[Genez]

nope explained here mr one and only kind sir @Genez

So how can limited atonement possibly not mean he never died for the sins of the world, when the wages of disobeying God equals death. Which means when sin enters Mans seed, it dies.

Double talk!

Man is BORN spiritually dead!
He does not become spiritually dead after he is born, by disobeying!
You have no idea of what you claim to know.

I think you might be an embarrassment even to the Calvinists.

You should go find yourself a good pastor-teacher... Not the British church, clone type.
And study for a few years what you are not being told.