Righteousness

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
Knowing God is keeping his commandments. So essentially you're agreeing with me that they are rejected because they don't obey Christ

And by this we know that we have known him– if the commandments of his we keep. The one saying, I know him, and his commandments is not keeping, is a liar, and the truth is not in this one. 1 John 2:3-4​
Click to expand...

If you knew God you would know you cannot earn righteousness. We are acceptable to God only because of the righteousness of Christ who died for us. If keeping the commandments were a requirement for righteousness, then we would all be dead in our sins.

You are rather confused.
 
Cameron143 said:
Righteousness is imputed. It is not acquired through activity.
You have the order backwards. We don't become loving by performing what we believe are loving acts. Rather, God sheds His love abroad in our hearts, and this produces loving acts on our part.
Click to expand...
I said:

“Character traits are not earned as the result of our works but rather they are embodied through our works. The one and only way to attain a character trait is through faith apart from being required to have first done enough works in order to earn it as the result, but what it means to attain a character trait is to become a doer of works that embody that trait, so it would contradictory for to attain a character trait apart from becoming a doer of that trait.”

So I agree that righteousness is not acquired through activity and I have not suggested otherwise. I also have not suggested that we become loving by performing what we believe are loving acts, so you are burning a straw man instead of interacting with what I’ve said.
 
[/QUOTE]
Obedience is not eternal life. It may be an evidence that we have eternal life. But it is no guarantee. Those in Matthew 7:21-23
ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
Knowing God is keeping his commandments. So essentially you're agreeing with me that they are rejected because they don't obey Christ

And by this we know that we have known him– if the commandments of his we keep. The one saying, I know him, and his commandments is not keeping, is a liar, and the truth is not in this one. 1 John 2:3-4​
Click to expand...
Eternal life is not obedience. Eternal life is knowing God and Christ. The passage you site merely states that obedience may be evidence that one possesses eternal life. It is one of five tests that the Apostle John reveals in the epistle. If one is meeting all the conditions stipulated, chances are good that they possess eternal life.

Knowing God and Christ is altogether different. This requires actual interaction and experience of God. Let's look at some examples:
...Romans 8:16 says the Spirit of God witnesses to our spirits that we are the children of God. Have you experienced this?
...Matthew 6:6 says we are to pray in secret and our Father who is in secret will meet us there. Have you experienced this?
...Hebrews 4:16 says we can come boldly to the throne of grace that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need. Have you experienced this?
...on the road to Emmaus Jesus opened the understanding of His fellow travelers. Have you ever experienced this?

Again, eternal life is not obedience, but may be evidenced by obedience. Eternal life is actually engaging with God through the life of Christ in us.
 
NightTwister said:
Still trying to work your way there.
Click to expand...
We can’t earn our righteousness even as the result of having perfect obedience to God’s law because it was never given as a way of doing that, so how am I trying to work my way there?
 
Cameron143 said:
Obedience is not eternal life. It may be an evidence that we have eternal life. But it is no guarantee. Those in Matthew 7:21-23

Eternal life is not obedience. Eternal life is knowing God and Christ. The passage you site merely states that obedience may be evidence that one possesses eternal life. It is one of five tests that the Apostle John reveals in the epistle. If one is meeting all the conditions stipulated, chances are good that they possess eternal life.

Knowing God and Christ is altogether different. This requires actual interaction and experience of God. Let's look at some examples:
...Romans 8:16 says the Spirit of God witnesses to our spirits that we are the children of God. Have you experienced this?
...Matthew 6:6 says we are to pray in secret and our Father who is in secret will meet us there. Have you experienced this?
...Hebrews 4:16 says we can come boldly to the throne of grace that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need. Have you experienced this?
...on the road to Emmaus Jesus opened the understanding of His fellow travelers. Have you ever experienced this?

Again, eternal life is not obedience, but may be evidenced by obedience. Eternal life is actually engaging with God through the life of Christ in us.
Click to expand...

You're twisting scripture to get the result you want.
 
Soyeong said:
I said:

“Character traits are not earned as the result of our works but rather they are embodied through our works. The one and only way to attain a character trait is through faith apart from being required to have first done enough works in order to earn it as the result, but what it means to attain a character trait is to become a doer of works that embody that trait, so it would contradictory for to attain a character trait apart from becoming a doer of that trait.”

So I agree that righteousness is not acquired through activity and I have not suggested otherwise. I also have not suggested that we become loving by performing what we believe are loving acts, so you are burning a straw man instead of interacting with what I’ve said.
Click to expand...
You said they are embodied through our works. This is false. They are embodied through the work of God in us, and the work of God in us is evidenced by our actions. You still have it wrong. It is Christ in us who produces the works. We were created in Christ Jesus unto good works...Ephesians 2:10.
 
pinebeach said:
If you knew God you would know you cannot earn righteousness. We are acceptable to God only because of the righteousness of Christ who died for us. If keeping the commandments were a requirement for righteousness, then we would all be dead in our sins.

You are rather confused.
Click to expand...

I'm not talking about earning righteousness, I'm talking about doing righteousness.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Soyeong
ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
You're twisting scripture to get the result you want.
Click to expand...
Nope. I have shown you the essence of eternal life. Read Philippians 2:12-13. We are to work out what God is working in. God is changing us from the inside out. As He makes changes in us, it is evidenced in our actions.
 
John17-2-3e2s.png

John 17 verses 2-3 ~ You granted Him authority over all people, so that He may give eternal life to all those You have given Him. Now this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, Whom You have sent.:)
 
  • Like
Reactions: Cameron143
Cameron143 said:
I haven't said any different. But our working out isn't eternal life; God working in us is.

You didn't answer my questions. Have you experienced those things?
Click to expand...

Working out our salvation keeps us in eternal life.

I've experience a lot of things, even prophesied that came to pass.
 
ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
Working out our salvation keeps us in eternal life.

I've experience a lot of things, even prophesied that came to pass.
Click to expand...
How?
How can someone go from knowing God to not knowing Him?
Either we know Him and He knows us, or we don't know Him and He doesn't know us.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top Bottom
Back