Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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Jesus wept, is in the Scripture and it had nothing to do with you nor myself. Some Scripture literally is only relative to the moment and story we read.

All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,
 
The truth hurts those who kick against the goad.
And I spoke this truth in love, demeaning no one.
Also, I apologize for unintentionally offending anyone,
inviting reproof and admitting that my practice is not perfect.
The word you are looking for is forgiveness.
No, it is liar. Jesus used it when appropriate also. You do the very thing you claim you don't. You want us to believe your lies.

You intentionally try to offend people, and you don't fool me.

You say whatever nasty thing you feel like and say, oh, I said it in love.
 
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No, it is liar. Jesus used it when appropriate also. You do the very thing you claim you don't. You want us to believe your lies.
You intentionally try to offend people, and you don't fool me.
You say whatever nasty thing you feel like and say, oh, I said it in love.

Apparently your gift is projection, because I do none of those accusations except accidentally/occasionally
because of not being perfect, and then I apologize and try to do better. You don't think GW teaches you to do the same?
 
I was thinking on this because @Cameron143 used the argument "they fit themselves for destruction" but then I also realized that if they use this line of argumentation they are not being consistent with "god is sovereign/puppet master" argument.

It seems Calvinism lite looses coherence, it has to be all or nothing if one wants to be have a coherent system, I guess @Rufus keeps to the full system which is more coherent but yes it is completely un-biblical.

Others try to straddle a bit between biblical and unbiblical in order to win converts I guess.
Well, I'm too busy to waste time parsing thru @Rufus posts. As soon as I hit the bogus assumptions I quit.

Wrong assumptions wrong conclusions.
(garbage in garbage out).
 
The truth hurts those who kick against the goad.
And I spoke this truth in love, demeaning no one.
Also, I apologize for unintentionally offending anyone,
inviting reproof and admitting that my practice is not perfect.
The word you are looking for is forgiveness.
yep I told you that in the last thread and now your turning it around on us.

Only I said it to showed it to you to show you how the lord operates

You use it to pity yourself
 
There is that correct hermeneutic again.
Jesus did not care about you and the state of your lost soul?

Oh, that's right. He had no need to since you already had everything you need... according to you.

However, Scripture does not agree with your point of view and unBiblical opinions.

Or your philosophically based vain self-exalting theology.

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Doxology
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Well, I'm too busy to waste time parsing thru @Rufus posts. As soon as I hit the bogus assumptions I quit.

Wrong assumptions wrong conclusions.
(garbage in garbage out).

Well, I hit the Rufus wall many months ago, and I quit by placing a bet that I am right and I'll see you in heaven
rather than play ping (garbage in) pong (garbage out), but nice try!
 
Well, I hit the Rufus wall many months ago, and I quit by placing a bet that I am right and I'll see you in heaven
rather than play ping (garbage in) pong (garbage out), but nice try!
Yep another self justification
 
Yep another self justification
Very demeaning comments by he who says he does no such thing (GWH).

They just keep coming, he has quite a collection of them for one who says he doesn't do that.

But FWers love patting themselves on the back and giving themselves credit when/where none is due.
 
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Even though Eve was tempted and gave in yes she was in free will. Adam has a choice and gave in. Free will. Even in choosing faith to live by or not. Free will. I see free will as choice. We make a choice. We are influenced by demons yes. We are led by the holy Spirit yes. But we have choices. The only thing I have a hard time believing with but Indo believe it..is when we get saved and have faith.a.lot of scripture says by Jesus ' No one can come to me unless the father draws him. We don't come unless it's a divine intervention from God. Faith and grace are gifts. That's the only thing I don't believe free will exists. If I'm wrong someone let me have it. I like to know more and grow in truth.

Hello there...and welcome to the thread. I have to make this quick so I'll just very briefly touch on a few of your points.

But the first thing I would like to impress upon you is that the whole "free will" argument is a huge satanic smokescreen because the really important issue which the bible focuses on is man's heart which is the seat of all four of our faculties (mind, will, emotions, conscience), and it's the desires of the human heart that drive our choices.

Secondly, yes, Adam & Eve (A&E) were created innocent and were not encumbered with with a sin nature or depraved heart; therefore, they truly had free will. But since the Fall none of their progeny have come into this world with a will that is not imprisoned or enslaved to sin.

Lastly, as you have correctly observed "Faith and grace are gifts". Very precious gifts that are given to God's chosen covenant people under the unilateral, unconditional New Covenant promises. Under this covenant God does for his elect what no man can do for himself: raise himself from his spiritual tomb and change his own nature. No one can change his own nature -- not even God Almighty himself. Yet, subscribers to Freewill Theology (FWT) would have us believe that man can do for himself precisely what God cannot do for himself; for both God's nature and human nature are immutable. Only God has the power to change our nature and heart. However, FWT has a very dismissive view of sin and, therefore, an equally low view of God

Gotta run. But again...welcome aboard. Hope your visit here is profitable for you.
 
So you were forced. Glad to see you finally admit what we all knew. :)

No, I was not forced anymore than Lazarus was forced from his tomb! Lazarus and I were both RESCUED from DEATH! I suppose you must think that God forced the ancient Hebrews to escape from Pharaoh's clutches, as well, right? :rolleyes:
 
Not on this occasion because they were called at a specific time for a specific purpose. You twisting Biblical meaning is not what Jesus was talking about when He was addressing only the 12.

So is every one of God's chosen! You're arguing that none us were called at a specific for a specific purpose, which is absurd on the face of it. God just arbitrarily called the Body of Christ for no particular reason. :rolleyes:
 
Proverbs 23:7a

'For as he thinketh in his heart, so is he.'

Heart speaks of the thinking in a man that reveals who he really is.
The deepest inner part of a man's thinking.

Satan said in "his heart" that he would make himself to be as the Most High.

The new heart comes from regeneration making it possible to think with spiritual realities that had been impossible to think with prior to regeneration.

Now, you're catching on. And this is precisely why regeneration must occur prior to the birth from above!
 
Genesis 3:15 does not speak of "Eve's DOWNLINE spiritual descendants" (plural).

Genesis 3:15 speaks of only One seed of the woman ... the seed of the woman is the Lord Jesus Christ Himself ... the Messiah ... the Lamb slain before the foundation of the world ... the Lord Jesus Christ does not share His victory over satan with any other. He crushed the head of the serpent ... no other descendant of either Adam or Eve is to be included in the complete victory over satan.
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And by extension all the elect who were chosen in Christ in eternity -- long before the Fall! This is why the focus is on the Messiah! You would have us believe that the woman's seed is only the Head and not his Body, as well!? :rolleyes: Also, this interpretation fits perfectly with Adam's observation of his wife who he named Eve (cf. Gen 3:20) because that name had a specific meaning!

Tell me, please: To whose seed did God consign Adam?
 
Hermeneutics works better when you triangulate from two clear statements such as “God is sovereign” and “God loves everyone”.

My bible explicitly tells me God loves (with filial, covenant love) the righteous, God-fearers, believers and those who love Him and His
Son. Now, give me one explicit verse that says God's filial, covenant love extends as well to the wicked!