Israel.

[ZNP]

These filthy dreamers

Jude 5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.

Warning, warning! The OSAS crowd will never ever put you in remembrance of this. According to them the Lord will not destroy those that had once been saved. But it turns out that you can be saved out of Egypt and yet "believe not". Think of America we were saved out of the rest of the world as a nation and at one point we were far and away the most prosperous nation on earth. I remember in the 70s people talking about "big American cars" and I was wondering "what are they talking about?" Then I went to England to go to school and I was like "Oh, now I get it". Other countries had little three wheeled cars that were more like go carts and golf carts. But despite how much the US was blessed we still had those who "believed not". I saw this youtube video which was very funny. Some black lady had decided to go back to Africa because she bought into the whole "America is racist" propaganda. The video was one long rant about how terrible things are in Africa, not poverty, but lying, stealing, cheating, bribery, and people taking advantage of her. She was completely unprepared for it having grown up in America.

6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

Think of that, the angels used to be in heaven, and they knew God. This is contrary to the "OSAS" concept that if you fall it means you were never saved to begin with. Jude is telling you in the clearest terms possible, the angels were definitely angels in heaven before they fell.

7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

Why would you give yourself to strange flesh? If you consider this in the light, when you are sober and thinking clearly, this is disgusting, shameful, and embarrassing. This is something you would never want people to know about. The problem with pornography is that it is an addiction and like all addictions you have to keep upping the dose to get the high. Initially what got you hooked on pornography could look relatively tame, perhaps could even be called "art". But after a while that will not do it for you anymore. There are different pornographic magazines, some are simply naked women, others are more obscene, then others are even more obscene than that, and eventually you get into some really horrible stuff that is illegal. Pedophilia and other even more outrageously illegal stuff. Satan uses things that are addictive to hook you and to open the door for demons and sinfulness in your life. You have to cut all that stuff off. You have to separate yourself from it. Passover is a feast depicting our salvation in receiving the blood of Jesus, it also starts a seven day feast called the feast of unleavened bread. In that feast you must remove all leaven from your house. Get all the pornography out of your house. Seven days is a complete time period indicating the full church age. You sweep all the leaven out of your house, that is the first half of the process of sanctification. It is likened to "leaven" because you are what you eat. So we replace that leaven with unleavened bread. You can't simply "fast". If every Friday night you went with your friends to the bar, well you stop doing that and now you need something else to do every Friday night. On one hand we remove the leavened bread, on the other hand we eat the unleavened bread. On one hand we leave the bar on Friday night and on the other we enter the congregation of the redeemed on Friday night.

8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

Hollywood movies, Music videos, these are "filthy dreams". The actors that work in these films are "sacred prostitutes". There is a lot of defiled flesh in the world, even if you look at Disney movies you can see the subliminal messaging of filthy dreams there as well. Without any doubt they despise the dominion of Jesus Christ. Of course if they are the ones in authority, well then you must obey them. Many in Christianity actually teach this, we have to go along with the government, that is what the Bible says. No, the Bible says we must go along with the authority because all authority comes from God. If the government is operating contrary to God's authority they are the ones who are out of step, not you. Peter asked "should we listen to you or God?" Whenever the question is to listen to one or the other the correct answer is always to listen to God. But what does the apostasy do? It says the Bible is out of date, and they despise the dominion of the word of God. The easiest way to spot these ones is they will speak evil of people. We are told very clearly in the book of James that it is hypocrisy to say you love God but then speak evil of men who are made in the image of God. We can condemn sin, we can condemn what Balaam did to damage Israel, we can teach about the stratagems of the evil one who is walking about seeking whom he may devour, but we don't speak evil of men. Our prayer is that they will repent and be saved.

This word translated "dignities" implies people, but the word is almost always translated as glory. They speak evil of glory, they mock and ridicule anyone who has an experience of the Lord Jesus, that is glorious.

 

[HeIsHere]

Really? With all the "Peace Accords", the UN, and world-wide media coverage today?

"It will never line up again..." Yes it will. And the 1st Century iteration provides the pattern we are to recognize when it does. That culmination is set against a "Day of the Lord".

Ironically, the pieces are already in play for the next (and final?) iteration: Pax Romana was a peace secured by government intervention. Already we have the Trump Administration promising peace in the Middle East region as US troops are set to take up positions in Gaza and elsewhere.

I regard it all as counterfeit, since the Book of Revelation/Matthew 24 is available for the "cabal globalists" to attempt to fulfill, but they will fail because it is not ordained by God.

But you, Daniel, roll up and seal the words of the scroll until the time of the end. Many will go here and there to increase knowledge.” (Daniel 12:4 NIV)

Then he told me, “Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this scroll, because the time is near. (Revelation 22:10 NIV)

I have not read anywhere in scripture that "end of the age" repeats and repeats?

 

[God-fearing]

I regard it all as counterfeit, since the Book of Revelation/Matthew 24 is available for the "cabal globalists" to attempt to fulfill, but they will fail because it is not ordained by God.

But you, Daniel, roll up and seal the words of the scroll until the time of the end. Many will go here and there to increase knowledge.” (Daniel 12:4 NIV)

Then he told me, “Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this scroll, because the time is near. (Revelation 22:10 NIV)

I have not read anywhere in scripture that "end of the age" repeats and repeats?

So your view point deals with the cabal and its capabilities of creating a false end time event by ways of cause and effect along with monetary benefits?

 

[Aaron56]

I regard it all as counterfeit, since the Book of Revelation/Matthew 24 is available for the "cabal globalists" to attempt to fulfill, but they will fail because it is not ordained by God.

But you, Daniel, roll up and seal the words of the scroll until the time of the end. Many will go here and there to increase knowledge.” (Daniel 12:4 NIV)

Then he told me, “Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this scroll, because the time is near. (Revelation 22:10 NIV)

I have not read anywhere in scripture that "end of the age" repeats and repeats?

Ends of Ages don't repeat. But many examples are given until the final occurrence.

This is true of the Messiah: first Adam, then Noah, then Seth, then Isaac, Moses, Joshua... none were the Messiah but each was a set man in their day.

Besides, we have not seen the Lord return in the way that he went:

“Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven.”

He was taken up in a cloud:

"Now when He had spoken these things, while they watched, He was taken up, and a cloud received Him out of their sight."

He will return from the air:

“Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.

Even if you continue and say that occurred in their time, like it reads just after:

"Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. 35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away."

Revelation tells us that the current generation, who is Christ, still walks the earth:

His generational account is not of the flesh, otherwise it would not begin with:

"The book of the genealogy of Jesus Christ, the Son of David, the Son of Abraham:..."

It's an account of the promise of God passing from one generation to the next with Christ as the fulfillment.

Remember, there are currently only two lineages in the earth: earthly Adam (man) and Spiritual Adam (The Man who is Christ):

"And so it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit."

Just as Abraham had two sons: one born of the flesh and one born of promise:

"Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law? For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise, which things are symbolic."

That was one iteration of the Messiah in history.

I believe God will dispense things in like manner until the end of this Age. Not like the dispensationalists believe: a one-and-done model. No, more like the unfolding of a scroll, where the message is unraveled line by line until the whole is revealed. God may do things He did before if it fits His needs: not as a repeat of past things but as the same thing but with different emphasis. These are "seasons of God". He called them that. So, He also gave us earthly seasons to understand His seasons: they are similar and timely but none is exactly like the past season a year ago.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

But you, Daniel, roll up and seal the words of the scroll until the time of the end. Many will go here and there to increase knowledge.” (Daniel 12:4 NIV)
Then he told me, “Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this scroll, because the time is near. (Revelation 22:10 NIV)

I have not read anywhere in scripture that "end of the age" repeats and repeats?

Daniel was told to seal the scroll because it didn't pertain to the end of the age of the kingdom of Judah. That scroll is the opened scroll that John was told to take and reveal to the world. It is little beause it pertains to the last 3.5 years or so of the end of the age of the gentiles.

And the voice which I heard from heaven spake unto me again, and said, Go and take the little scroll which is open in the hand of the angel which standeth upon the sea and upon the earth. And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little scroll. And he said unto me, Take it, and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey. And I took the little scroll out of the angel's hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter. And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings. Revelation 10:8-11​

 

[brightfame52]

Another scripture that speaks of the Church that applies to 1 Pet 2:9

9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

Its Eph 1:14 when speaking of the Church comprised of both jew and gentile believers in Ephesus

Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

Now what is the purchased possession ? Why its the Church, bought with a price, as here Acts 20:28

28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

Now the words purchased possession in Eph 1:14 is the same word for " a peculiar people " in 1 Pet 2:9, now how so that ? Because they're the same exact people! 7

 

[HeIsHere]

So your view point deals with the cabal and its capabilities of creating a false end time event by ways of cause and effect along with monetary benefits?

Yes and with the end point to further exert their control.

 

[HeIsHere]

Daniel was told to seal the scroll because it didn't pertain to the end of the age of the kingdom of Judah. That scroll is the opened scroll that John was told to take and reveal to the world. It is little beause it pertains to the last 3.5 years or so of the end of the age of the gentiles.

And the voice which I heard from heaven spake unto me again, and said, Go and take the little scroll which is open in the hand of the angel which standeth upon the sea and upon the earth. And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little scroll. And he said unto me, Take it, and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey. And I took the little scroll out of the angel's hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter. And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings. Revelation 10:8-11​

Why does there need to be an end to this age?

 

[Yahshua]

Interestingly enough, ancient Israel was commanded to always rehearse the Almighty's feasts because The Almighty said these appointed times were when major events have been and would be fulfilled in their lives.

Spring Feast Fulfillments...

Passover - when they were freed from the bondage of Egypt through death of all firstborn; and later when the debt of sin was paid through Messiah's death.

Feast of Unleavened Bread - when they rushed out of Egypt and so didn't have time to let their bread rise; and later when the body of Messiah, the unleavened bread of life, was given for new covenant.

Day of First Fruits - when Israel ate of the first fruits of their new land; and later when Messiah (along with the first fruits of the dead) resurrected, acended and were offered to Almighty.

Feast of weeks (Pentecost) - when the Law was given to them at Mt Sinai; and later when the Holy Spirit was given at Mt. Moriah.

Notice that ancient Israel was responsible for yearly rehearsal of these feasts but didn't initiate any fulfilling events, rather they we're subjected to them at the right time.


Fall Feast Rehearsals...

Day of Trumpets - The children of Israel were to rehearse by blowing trumpets and greatly shouting in preparation for future fulfillment(s).

Day of Atonement - The children of Israel were to rehearse by not doing any work whatsoever and afflicting their souls (often understood as not eating).

Feast of Tabernacles - The Children of Israel were to rehearse by living in temporary shelters (what we call tents).


Again, the children of Israel were responsible for the yearly rehearsal of these feasts for preparation but never initiated any fulfilling events, rather they we're subjected to their fulfillment at the appointed time; experiencing first a national/physical fulfillment and then a spiritual one in Messiah later on.

...and The Almighty doesn't change, and Messiah is the same yesterday, today, and forever.

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I find this interesting because while we wait for Messiah's spiritual fulfillment of the fall feasts (with the last trumpet, great throne judgment and dwelling with man), we are witnessing the Palestinians nationally/physically living through fulfillment of all three of the fall feasts events:

Constant shouting/wailing as bombs and sniper bullets kill their innocent children; being unable to work for money; being starved for food; forced to live in tents, all of which started at the right time of the year.

I believe this is further proof of who the true descendants of Israel are, and who are not. This is why He had them rehearse year after year. The world may be deceived but The Almighty is not.

....ok, bye!

 

[HeIsHere]

Ends of Ages don't repeat. But many examples are given until the final occurrence.

This is true of the Messiah: first Adam, then Noah, then Seth, then Isaac, Moses, Joshua... none were the Messiah but each was a set man in their day.

Besides, we have not seen the Lord return in the way that he went:

“Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven.”

He was taken up in a cloud:

"Now when He had spoken these things, while they watched, He was taken up, and a cloud received Him out of their sight."

He will return from the air:

“Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.

Even if you continue and say that occurred in their time, like it reads just after:

"Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. 35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away."

Revelation tells us that the current generation, who is Christ, still walks the earth:

His generational account is not of the flesh, otherwise it would not begin with:

"The book of the genealogy of Jesus Christ, the Son of David, the Son of Abraham:..."

It's an account of the promise of God passing from one generation to the next with Christ as the fulfillment.

Remember, there are currently only two lineages in the earth: earthly Adam (man) and Spiritual Adam (The Man who is Christ):

"And so it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit."

Just as Abraham had two sons: one born of the flesh and one born of promise:

"Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law? For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise, which things are symbolic."

That was one iteration of the Messiah in history.

I believe God will dispense things in like manner until the end of this Age. Not like the dispensationalists believe: a one-and-done model. No, more like the unfolding of a scroll, where the message is unraveled line by line until the whole is revealed. God may do things He did before if it fits His needs: not as a repeat of past things but as the same thing but with different emphasis. These are "seasons of God". He called them that. So, He also gave us earthly seasons to understand His seasons: they are similar and timely but none is exactly like the past season a year ago.

As I read Matthew 24 and Revelation, I read the end of one very important age, the Mosaic Age and the start of the Messianic Age.

I do not read an end to the Messianic Age but I clearly understand why God wrapped up the Mosaic Age since Christ Jesus fulfilled it all.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Why does there need to be an end to this age?

Because it's the age of the nations, not the age of God. And it is written

And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the nations until the time of the nations be fulfilled. Luke 21:24​

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[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

As I read Matthew 24 and Revelation, I read the end of one very important age, the Mosaic Age and the start of the Messianic Age.

I do not read an end to the Messianic Age but I clearly understand why God wrapped up the Mosaic Age since Christ Jesus fulfilled it all.

Where is the past 2000 years called the messianic age?

 

[HeIsHere]

Because it's the age of the nations, not the age of God. And it is written

And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the nations until the time of the nations be fulfilled. Luke 21:24​

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Yes and that already happened.

 

[HeIsHere]

Where is the past 2000 years called the messianic age?

We can call the New Covenant Age, that is a better label.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Yes and that already happened.

The time of the nations hasn't been fulfilled; they still rule the world. Jerusalem is still being trodden under by ungodly men and will be until Christ returns. That is made perfectly clear in Revelation

And when they shall have finished their witness, the beast that arises out of the bottomless pit will make war against them, and will overcome them, and kill them. And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. Revelation 11:7-8​

 

[Aaron56]

As I read Matthew 24 and Revelation, I read the end of one very important age, the Mosaic Age and the start of the Messianic Age.

I do not read an end to the Messianic Age but I clearly understand why God wrapped up the Mosaic Age since Christ Jesus fulfilled it all.

Ah. I see your meaning.

I see the potential for multiple ages.

"But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7 that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus."

However, even if this is the last age it is not complete. More understanding is expected so knowledge will increase. We have yet to realize, for example, the called out refined to the standard of Christ. It's not enough that some can see the division, there must be a witness even the world can see clearly.

 

[Aaron56]

As I read Matthew 24 and Revelation, I read the end of one very important age, the Mosaic Age and the start of the Messianic Age.

I do not read an end to the Messianic Age but I clearly understand why God wrapped up the Mosaic Age since Christ Jesus fulfilled it all.

Also consider that the is no need for a Messiah after the salvation and liberation of man is complete. Indeed, even the Son will be subject to God.

"For He must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet. 26 The last enemy that will be destroyed is death. 27 For “He has put all things under His feet.” But when He says “all things are put under Him,” it is evident that He (God) who put all things under Him (the Son) is excepted. 28 Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all."

The culmination is that God is all in all. Not "all in some" as the eternal conscious torment" people believe.: as if there is any suffering when all things are God. In that time there will be no lack or deficit of anything.

 

[brightfame52]

Mystery Israel !

Rom 11:24-26

24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?

25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

This Mystery Israel is something men don't know by nature, it must be made known by God. When God declared Israel shall be saved in the Lord with an everlasting salvation Isa 45:17

But Israel shall be saved in the Lord with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.

What was the mystery, it was in the manner of how all Israel shall be saved, for it was the purpose of God to save His Israel by the out calling of His Elect from among both the Jews and Gentiles. . His people Israel are not all Jews and not all Gentiles, but called out from among both Rom 9:24-26

24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.

26 And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.

Paul was explaining how that God was still saving all Israel by the calling of the Gentiles. National Israels Covenant Identity with God is no longer, so jews will be saved during the calling of the gentiles, the nations, since there are no more special nations set apart for God, national israel isnt no more above russia, japan, nigeria, she is now part of the ordinary nations of the world, just as gentile nations. Mystery Israel that God promised to save is none other than the Church, the Body of Christ, which is the Spiritual seed of Abraham Gal 3:29

29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. The promise that Israel shall be saved in the Lord with an everlasting Salvation! 8

 

[HigherGospel]

Jerusalem is still being trodden under by ungodly men and will be until Christ returns.

And when Jesus returns to the earth and saved Israel in the nick of time right before they are about to be wiped off the face of the earth.... the Jews accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior!

 

[Aaron56]

And when Jesus returns to the earth and saved Israel in the nick of time right before they are about to be wiped off the face of the earth.... the Jews accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior!

Interesting that the Jews will need to see to believe. It would seem that the Gentiles receive a certain blessing not given to the Jews.

"Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."