No person can come to Christ by their own freewill !

[Cameron143]

The Jews are under the Covenant of Abraham still today -------you need to do your research ----

So now your going to post back that this is not true ----and say ------neither sources posted are Right ----Got Question is an unreliable Source and so is Google ---------Why -- because you don't want to believe the Truth ------

--So whatever you want to believe is all up to you but the Jews remain under the Abrahamic Covenant to this day ---this Covenant is UNCONDITIONAL --do your research -----

---But God Honors His Covenant to His Chosen Nation in the 7 year tribulation and saves His Chosen Nation -----the Jews come to Christ -----Folks in the end -----

People also ask

Is the Abrahamic covenant still relevant today?


God kept His word to Abraham—Isaac was born and generations later the ultimate son of Abraham, the Messiah, was also born just as promised.

The Abrahamic covenant passed to Isaac and Jacob (Israel), to each successive generation and remains today, for it is an eternal covenant based on God's fidelity, not man's.

https://www.gotquestions.org/Israel-still-chosen-people.html
Is Israel still God’s chosen people?

Israel Is Still God’s People: The Covenants

God’s covenant with Abraham promised Abraham three things: a land, a posterity, and a blessing (Genesis 12:1–3). Through Abraham’s seed, the whole world would be blessed. In Genesis 13:15, God highlights the enduring nature of this covenant: “All the land that you see I will give to you and your offspring forever” (emphasis added). Importantly, the covenant did not depend on Abraham’s power to keep it. In fact, Abraham was not even conscious when God ratified the covenant by Himself (Genesis 15). Since God alone took the responsibility of blessing Abraham’s seed, the covenant was unconditional.

God reaffirmed the covenant with Abraham’s son Isaac (Genesis 21:12; 26:3–4), and with Isaac’s son Jacob (Genesis 28:14–15). From then on, every time God referred to Himself as “the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob,” that covenant was remembered. God chose to have a perpetual relationship with Abraham’s descendants from generation to generation.

The covenant God made with David (and with Solomon) was likewise a unilateral, unconditional promise. That covenant assured David that God would “provide a place for my people Israel” where they will “no longer be disturbed” (2 Samuel 7:10). God would also establish a “house” and a “kingdom” for David (verses 11–12). And then God revealed the enduring nature of this covenant: “Your house and your kingdom will endure forever before me; your throne will be established forever” (verse 16, emphasis added).

From the beginning, Israel has had a unique relationship with God. Both the Abrahamic Covenant and the Davidic Covenant detail the special blessings God gave Israel, and both covenants are said to last forever.

The Abrahamic covenant is part of the covenant of grace. Not all of Israel was a part of that. That was Paul's point in saying not all of Israel is of Israel. All Israelites were, however, part of the Mosaic covenant.
There are significant differences between the covenants. The latter is a covenant that is entered into by physical birth, is largely temporal, and is covenant of works. The former is entered into through faith and spiritual birth, is largely eternal in nature, and is strictly a covenant of grace.
Perhaps the greatest difference in the covenants is that one is still in operation and the other is not. The Mosaic covenant has been done away with since the 1st century destruction of the temple. Hence, my question of under what covenant. Since the new covenant is the only existing covenant, it is only under the terms of this covenant that one may be in relationship with God. Under this covenant, there is no distinction made between Jew or Greek, but only the new man.

 

[studentoftheword]

The Abrahamic covenant is part of the covenant of grace. Not all of Israel was a part of that

So prove what part of Israel was not part of that ----give the scripture to back what your saying up

Your not God so what you personally think doesn't count ---Give the evidence through the Scripture ----and lets have a look at it and do some research on it ---by looking up the ancient language -----

I await your PROOF OF SCRIPTURE -----

 

[rogerg]

So prove what part of Israel was not part of that ----give the scripture to back what your saying up

Your not God so what you personally think doesn't count ---Give the evidence through the Scripture ----and lets have a look at it and do some research on it ---by looking up the ancient language -----

I await your PROOF OF SCRIPTURE -----

Here:

God's covenant for the land was given to Abram not to Abraham. God's eternal covenant to Abraham was given to his spiritual seed - spiritual Israel, not earthly Israel. The earthly covenant was conditions based - that for Israel to remain in the land God promised them, they had to satisfy its conditions which they did not do. That covenant was not the eternal covenant, or God could not have forced them from the land, which they were forced from. Notice in 15:18 following, that the word "eternal" or "everlasting" was not used therein by God.

[Gen 15:18-21 KJV]
18 In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:
19 The Kenites, and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites,
20 And the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Rephaims,
21 And the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Girgashites, and the Jebusites.

[Jos 23:15-16 KJV]
15 Therefore it shall come to pass, [that] as all good things are come upon you, which the LORD your God promised you; so shall the LORD bring upon you all evil things, until he have destroyed you from off this good land which the LORD your God hath given you.
16 When ye have transgressed the covenant of the LORD your God, which he commanded you, and have gone and served other gods, and bowed yourselves to them; then shall the anger of the LORD be kindled against you, and ye shall perish quickly from off the good land which he hath given unto you.

[Jos 24:19 KJV]
19 And Joshua said unto the people, Ye cannot serve the LORD: for he [is] an holy God; he [is] a jealous God; he will not forgive your transgressions nor your sins.
[Jos 24:20 KJV]
20 If ye forsake the LORD, and serve strange gods, then he will turn and do you hurt, and consume you, after that he hath done you good.
[Jos 24:21-25 KJV]
21 And the people said unto Joshua, Nay; but we will serve the LORD.
22 And Joshua said unto the people, Ye [are] witnesses against yourselves that ye have chosen you the LORD, to serve him. And they said, [We are] witnesses.
23 Now therefore put away, [said he], the strange gods which [are] among you, and incline your heart unto the LORD God of Israel.
24 And the people said unto Joshua, The LORD our God will we serve, and his voice will we obey.
25 So Joshua made a covenant with the people that day, and set them a statute and an ordinance in Shechem.
26 And Joshua wrote these words in the book of the law of God, and took a great stone, and set it up there under an oak, that [was] by the sanctuary of the LORD.

[Jos 21:43-45 KJV]
43 And the LORD gave unto Israel all the land which he sware to give unto their fathers; and they possessed it, and dwelt therein.
44 And the LORD gave them rest round about, according to all that he sware unto their fathers: and there stood not a man of all their enemies before them; the LORD delivered all their enemies into their hand.
45 There failed not ought of any good thing which the LORD had spoken unto the house of Israel; all came to pass.

[Jer 3:6-9 KJV]
6 The LORD said also unto me in the days of Josiah the king, Hast thou seen [that] which backsliding Israel hath done? she is gone up upon every high mountain and under every green tree, and there hath played the harlot.
7 And I said after she had done all these [things], Turn thou unto me. But she returned not. And her treacherous sister Judah saw [it].
8 And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.
9 And it came to pass through the lightness of her whoredom, that she defiled the land, and committed adultery with stones and with stocks.

By God's divorce of the nation of Israel (Jer 3:8) He also ended His special relationship with them. Now Jews stand before God
on the same basis as everyone else does

 

[Cameron143]

So prove what part of Israel was not part of that ----give the scripture to back what your saying up

Your not God so what you personally think doesn't count ---Give the evidence through the Scripture ----and lets have a look at it and do some research on it ---by looking up the ancient language -----

I await your PROOF OF SCRIPTURE -----

Romans 9:6.

 

[Ceph]

As a Jew myself I know outside of the Joel latter rain prophecies and the only remaining Biblical prophecies pertaining to the Tribulation we only have a handful left to fulfill.

That means being so close to the Tribulation period that the CURRENT Jews and next generation in Israel will be the Jews in Revelation that the 144,000, the 12 Tribes, those who will witness the antichrist.

So for someone to claim the current inhabitants of Jerusalem and Israel are not the CHOSEN is kind of stupid.

It's not for anyone but God to say who or where those chosen will be.

 

[lrs68]

It's not for anyone but God to say who or where those chosen will be.

Agreed but when Tribulation begins those Jews living in Israel will fulfill Revelation and we know they are chosen.

 

[rogerg]

As a Jew myself I know outside of the Joel latter rain prophecies and the only remaining Biblical prophecies pertaining to the Tribulation we only have a handful left to fulfill.

That means being so close to the Tribulation period that the CURRENT Jews and next generation in Israel will be the Jews in Revelation that the 144,000, the 12 Tribes, those who will witness the antichrist.

So for someone to claim the current inhabitants of Jerusalem and Israel are not the CHOSEN is kind of stupid.

The 144,00 are not earthly Jews but spiritual Jews. Notice in Rev 14:4, they represent the redeemed from among men, sealed with the Father's name, written into their foreheads, and taken "by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation" (Rev 5:9 below), not just earthly Jews. They sang a "new song" (the gospel) - but the only ones who could learn it are (all) those who become redeemed from among men. So, 144,000 is a symbolic number, not a literal number that represents the saved.

[Rev 7:3-8 KJV]
3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.
4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: [and there were] sealed an hundred [and] forty [and] four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
5 Of the tribe of Juda [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad [were] sealed twelve thousand.
6 Of the tribe of Aser [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nepthalim [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses [were] sealed twelve thousand.
7 Of the tribe of Simeon [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar [were] sealed twelve thousand.
8 Of the tribe of Zabulon [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin [were] sealed twelve thousand.

[Rev 14:1,3,4 KJV]
1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty [and] four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred [and] forty [and] four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, [being] the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

[Rev 5:9 KJV] 9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

 

[studentoftheword]

Romans 9:6.

So this is the Scripture in context --

6 However, it is not as though God’s Word had failed [coming to nothing].

For it is not everybody who is a descendant of Jacob (Israel) who belongs to [the true] Israel.

7 And they are not all the children of Abraham because they are by blood his descendants.

No, [the promise was] Your descendants will be called and counted through the line of Isaac [though Abraham had an older son].

8 That is to say, it is not the children of the body [of Abraham] who are made God’s children,

but it is the offspring to whom the promise applies that shall be counted [as Abraham’s true] descendants.

9 For this is what the promise said, About this time [next year] will I return and Sarah shall have a son.

I say ----

So here is the scoop ---Ishmael who was born from the Flesh -----was not part of the promise because he was born by Sarah allowing Hagar to sleep with Abraham ------so he is not part of the Promise for sure ----

Also Esau sold his Birthright to Jacob ---so he is not part of the promise ----

So you are right in this regard ---as the Children of the promise are the descendants of Isaac and Jacob ---as they the true Israel -----


Also there were many claiming to be Jews Falsely and they of course are not not included -----

so all Descendants of Jacob and Isaac are in the 12 tribes of Israel and are still part of the Promise and are still God's chosen today -----

and these Jews in the 12 tribes will be saved by Faith In Jesus Christ as these 12 Tribes --144000 Preach the Gospel to the whole World during the 7 year tribulation and are all named in Revelation 7 before God's wrath is poured out on this earth -----they are saved and marked with God's mark and come through the tribulation unharmed -----and reside in the New Heaven -------

 

[studentoftheword]

spiritual Israel, not earthly Israel.

There is no earthly people ---where you get that from is beyond me -----we are spiritual beings ---made in God's image ----

 

[lrs68]

The 144,00 are not earthly Jews but spiritual Jews. Notice in Rev 14:4, they represent the redeemed from among men, sealed with the Father's name, written into their foreheads, and taken "by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation" (Rev 5:9 below), not just earthly Jews. They sang a "new song" (the gospel) - but the only ones who could learn it are (all) those who become redeemed from among men. So, 144,000 is a symbolic number, not a literal number that represents the saved.

[Rev 7:3-8 KJV]
3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.
4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: [and there were] sealed an hundred [and] forty [and] four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
5 Of the tribe of Juda [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad [were] sealed twelve thousand.
6 Of the tribe of Aser [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nepthalim [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses [were] sealed twelve thousand.
7 Of the tribe of Simeon [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar [were] sealed twelve thousand.
8 Of the tribe of Zabulon [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin [were] sealed twelve thousand.

[Rev 14:1,3,4 KJV]
1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty [and] four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred [and] forty [and] four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, [being] the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

[Rev 5:9 KJV] 9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

The 12 Tribes only and strictly relates to the Jews and no one else.

 

[rogerg]

There is no earthly people ---where you get that from is beyond me -----we are spiritual beings ---made in God's image ----

No, not all are spiritual beings. Only the saved are alive spiritually - the unsaved are dead spiritually. Try not to let it get "beyond you".
Anyway, your point was of God's covenant with Abraham. Earthly Israel is no longer of God's covenant

Only those whom God saves does He make alive spiritually
[Eph 2:1, 5 KJV]
1 And you [hath he quickened], who were dead in trespasses and sins; ...
5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved

 

[rogerg]

The 12 Tribes only and strictly relates to the Jews and no one else.

No, it doesn't. You obviously didn't read or didn't understand the verses I posted. It is logically impossible based upon those verses
for the 144,000 to represent earthly Israel

 

[Cameron143]

So this is the Scripture in context --

6 However, it is not as though God’s Word had failed [coming to nothing].

For it is not everybody who is a descendant of Jacob (Israel) who belongs to [the true] Israel.

7 And they are not all the children of Abraham because they are by blood his descendants.

No, [the promise was] Your descendants will be called and counted through the line of Isaac [though Abraham had an older son].

8 That is to say, it is not the children of the body [of Abraham] who are made God’s children,

but it is the offspring to whom the promise applies that shall be counted [as Abraham’s true] descendants.

9 For this is what the promise said, About this time [next year] will I return and Sarah shall have a son.

I say ----

So here is the scoop ---Ishmael who was born from the Flesh -----was not part of the promise because he was born by Sarah allowing Hagar to sleep with Abraham ------so he is not part of the Promise for sure ----

Also Esau sold his Birthright to Jacob ---so he is not part of the promise ----

So you are right in this regard ---as the Children of the promise are the descendants of Isaac and Jacob ---as they the true Israel -----


Also there were many claiming to be Jews Falsely and they of course are not not included -----

so all Descendants of Jacob and Isaac are in the 12 tribes of Israel and are still part of the Promise and are still God's chosen today -----

and these Jews in the 12 tribes will be saved by Faith In Jesus Christ as these 12 Tribes --144000 Preach the Gospel to the whole World during the 7 year tribulation and are all named in Revelation 7 before God's wrath is poured out on this earth -----they are saved and marked with God's mark and come through the tribulation unharmed -----and reside in the New Heaven -------

The children of promise and heirs to the promise are only those who come to God by grace through faith...Galatians 3:7-9;28-29.

 

[lrs68]

No, it doesn't. You obviously didn't read or didn't understand the verses I posted. It is logically impossible based upon those verses
for the 144,000 to represent earthly Israel

No Tribes of Israel ever relates to the Gentile people saved or unsaved ever.

 

[Doll]

you are right there --God also gives you the ability through the Scripture to tell if people are His or not -and what is being posted is going is against scripture ------he said that the Jews are no longer God's chosen and that goes against scripture ----Period

There's a doctrinal community known as Christian Identity.
That could be what's being promoted by those who think the Jews are no longer God's chosen people.

 

[rogerg]

No Tribes of Israel ever relates to the Gentile people saved or unsaved ever.

Spiritual Israel - saved Gentiles and Jews - those redeemed.

 

[Magenta]

The children of promise and heirs to the promise are only those who come to God by grace through faith...Galatians 3:7-9;28-29.

From Galatians 4 v 22-24 plus 28-29 and 5 v 1 Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman and the other by the free woman. His son by the slave woman was born according to the flesh, but his son by the free woman was born through the promise. These things serve as illustrations, for the women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children into slavery. We, like Isaac, are children of promise. The son born by the flesh persecuted the son born by the Spirit. It is the same now. It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not be encumbered once more by a yoke of slavery.

 

[Doll]

No Tribes of Israel ever relates to the Gentile people saved or unsaved ever.

What if Abraham was a Gentile?

 

[lrs68]

No, it doesn't. You obviously didn't read or didn't understand the verses I posted. It is logically impossible based upon those verses
for the 144,000 to represent earthly Israel

There's literally NO NO NO NO NO BIBLE VERSES that say Gentiles become the 12 Tribes of Israel. The only place that exists is in the pits of Hell and fairytale land.

The BEST THAT THE GENTILES get is grafted into the Vine with the original Hebrew Jews.

 

[lrs68]

What if Abraham was a Gentile?

Jacob wasn't because he literally became Israel.