Can We Really Exercise Free Will?
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yep mind boggling is the word for today, I mean for not letting things overwhelm you, is to look at the statements of mind boggling lol
and dont let them boggle you
good morning Rufus.Only at the shoulder line.
You started it bro you called my post a rabbit trail and cut me of again.
You need to let it go now.
Neither is there any "indication in the text" that Adam showed up on the scene only after Eve was tempted. You're reading that into the text. But the natural reading is that Adam was with Eve when the serpent approached her.
Part of this most recent boondoggle is who is doing this. But it is not like it has not happened before. Even Paul was betrayedyep mind boggling is the word for today, I mean for not letting things overwhelm you, is to look at the statements of mind boggling lol
and dont let them boggle you
and of course of preeminent consideration is the fact that Jesus Christ was betrayed by those in His inner circle.
She took some of its fruit and ate it; she also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it.
Pretty plainly spoken... and we can see who disagrees with plainly spoken Scripture. Hardly surprising!
They prefer the machinations of their God-blaspheming imagination.
Eerrrrr do you not recall @posthuman listing a few dozen passages confirming that in relevant context "sleep" is synonymous with "physical death"?
You know, "reading" the Bible is an art as well as a science......
So...you believe in efficacious atonement after all, don't you? All it took was for God to clothe them with the skins of slain animals. No faith, no repentance, no confession of sins necessary. Then how come you don't believe in efficacious atonement in Christ's atoning work on the Cross? Instead, you and other FWers are quite content to play word games: Christ died for the sins of all humanity w/o exception, BUT (here's comes the BUT(T) Monkey)...But of course people have meet the gospel conditions and confess their sins, repent of them and trust in Christ. Jesus' atoning work simply makes it POSSIBLE to be saved. Jesus is the POTENTIAL savior of all mankind.
Can you not see your own duplicity here? According to FWers, God clearly saved A&E on an entirely different basis than He did at the Cross of Christ. In the first case, God's atoning provision of animal skins was 100% efficacious with no conditions placed on A&E, while in the second the Christ's atoning work is 0% efficacious since man must obey the conditions of the gospel BEFORE Christ's work actually can save them.
FWers will break their own backs in trying to put Adam in a positive light. They slink into 100% Spin Mode! They know scripture speaks only negatively about Adam, so they feel they have to educate God and set Him straight by giving Him the real, inside skinny on what went on in the Garden.
Well there's tons tons of scriptures I could cite of tons different people selling themselves to sin.
But i really don't have the time but if you place them in line from Adam you see the same pattern emerging over and over again.
It only then that mind boggling things being said about Adam can be looked in the light they actually are, which is people selling themselves to sin
Male and female created He them, in the image of God, that is, as judges, but it just so happens the first opportunity presented them to judge righteously, they dropped the righteous ball. This is, "her husband with her" and who "listened to the voice of your wife." Adam judged, even though he wasn't deceived, he judged "with her" what she had judged, "that the fruit was good for food and...". , i.e. he concurred with her ruling. I'm speculating now in thinking that, perhaps, "I know it will kill me but, if I gain the knowledge of God, I'll be able to figure out how to conquer death..." without realizing that only the death of the righteous could overcome the death of the wicked. 
just some thoughts.
just some thoughts.
Male and female created He them, in the image of God, that is, as judges, but it just so happens the first opportunity presented them to judge righteously, they dropped the righteous ball. This is, "her husband with her" and who "listened to the voice of your wife." Adam judged, even though he wasn't deceived, he judged "with her" what she had judged, "that the fruit was good for food and...". , i.e. he concurred with her ruling. I'm speculating now in thinking that, perhaps, "I know it will kill me but, if I gain the knowledge of God, I'll be able to figure out how to conquer death..." without realizing that only the death of the righteous could overcome the death of the wicked.
Good post! Pride is at the root of every sin! Pride is what caused Lucifer to fall, and it's what caused Adam to fall. What both Satan and Adam wanted was to be just like God...if indeed not better!
I suppose the FWers are now trying to make their hero Adam the Firstborn from the dead in their never ending quest to show us just how upright and fearless and brave he was. I wonder if the Great Physician operated on Adam with or without his consent?
C'mon, Magenta, everyone in the world knows that DEATH is truly the wages of surgery (whether AMA-approved or not). Adam the Innocent suffered unjustly suffered death at the hands of his Surgeon.
Male and female created He them, in the image of God, that is, as judges, but it just so happens the first opportunity presented them to judge righteously, they dropped the righteous ball. This is, "her husband with her" and who "listened to the voice of your wife." Adam judged, even though he wasn't deceived, he judged "with her" what she had judged, "that the fruit was good for food and...". , i.e. he concurred with her ruling. I'm speculating now in thinking that, perhaps, "I know it will kill me but, if I gain the knowledge of God, I'll be able to figure out how to conquer death..." without realizing that only the death of the righteous could overcome the death of the wicked.
Instead of listening to and heeding the voice of God's prophetic warning (Gen 2:16-17). And not a thing has changed down through the ages, has it? We have thoroughly self-deceived FWers here who constantly read their presuppositions into passages and swear this is what God has said!
Jonah literally said that he was in Sheol.
And somebody PLEASE inform @Magenta @Cameron143 @Jordon @Rufus that the "sign of Jonah" is.... drumroll.....
THE RESURRECTION......!
I mean that is exactly what Jesus is saying when He refers the the "sign of Jonah". Physical death then whoops resurrected.
Jonah. Dead. Resurrected. Christ. Dead. Resurrected.
And these people that don't understand this infallible biblical fact spoken by Jesus Himself are NOT biblical illiterate?
I have no idea why my saying "Do you agree with those and also with my commentary that cites quite a few Scriptures?" is not a clear invitation to discuss what I posted, which was:
{{{A crisis that threatened a Philippian jailer with death prompted him to ask Paul and Silas the most important question in life: “What must I do to be saved?” (Acts 16:30) This question is most important, because—as sinful and mortal souls—we need saving from corruption, both moral and physical. We need saving from physical death if we value or enjoy life, and we need saving from immorality or evil-doing if it results in unhappy existence, especially after this lifetime.
The reply of Paul and Silas was this: “Believe in the Lord Jesus.” (Acts 16:31) This is GRFS in a nutshell. Jesus Himself expressed GRFS even more succinctly using three, four and five letter words: “Ask… seek… knock…” (Matt. 7:7). This indicates that God graces every sinful soul with the ability or opportunity to seek salvation (cf. 1Tim. 2:3-4, Ezek. 33:11), which might be called “seeking grace” (Tit. 2:11). As Hebrews 11:6 states: “he [God] rewards those who earnestly seek him” (cf. Isa. 45:19). Seeking God is the beginning of saving faith, and not seeking God or rejecting His salvation in Christ is the essence of evil atheism or faith in I-dolatry (Rom. 3:11, 1:18-23). All humans sin, but every sinner has the opportunity to repent/have saving faith (per Rom. 1:20, 2:7, 3:21-22, 4:16 & 5:8-19).
The only law in that reply was “Believe in the Lord Jesus.” (Acts 16:31) and maybe “he [God] rewards those who earnestly seek him” (Heb. 11:6). Do you agree with those and also with my commentary that cites quite a few Scriptures?}}}
well I don't know, I mean Johna could have said anything covered in whale guts and all sorts of things for 3 days.
But how can he be literally there when he was disobeying God.
even if he was there was it a dream whilst he was sleeping
It could have been God transporting him there spiritually to show him is errors