Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[Magenta]

John 8 verses 43, 47, Acts 13 verse 48, Romans 8 verse 8, John 8 verse 43 “Why do you not understand what I am saying? It is because you are unable to accept My message.” “Whoever belongs to God hears the words of God. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.” When the Gentiles heard this, they rejoiced and glorified the word of the Lord, and all who were appointed for eternal life believed. Those controlled by the flesh cannot please God.

 

[Genez]

you really don't think the same things are going on now?

years back I made friends with a Marine recruiter.
While in his office I handed him a 2-part series , titled the Doctrine of War.
A few weeks later I went to visit his office. I saw only his secretary.
When I asked her about the messages to see if he listened to them?

She told me this.

He had the Army, Navy, Coast Guard and Airforce recruiters in the federal building,
come to his office and listen to the recordings.

He later calmly told me.... "I never heard anything like this before."


Just order the lessons.
It won't cost you anything if you do not like what you hear.
What have you got to lose?
Don't let the powers of the air dissuade you!
Just do it.
Then you can really criticize me with something solid if you wish.

In Christ.... GeneZ

 

[cv5]

I am constantly amazed at your lack of understanding. Do you not even try to understand? How could any one person get things wrong every single time? I guess the odds are just against you.
Makes me wonder if you have ever actually read scripture. Titus 3:5-7 talks about the grace of God and the Holy Spirit being poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7 that having been justified by His grace we should become heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

Maybe you were working on your umbrella that day!

The Baptism ritual and command itself is a scathing rebuke against Calvinism. Deal with it.

 

[Genez]

why does it matter what it was like in Jeremiah's day, if Jeremiah 4 is actually about a soulless race of proto-humans who were not accountable for any sin, thousands of years before Jeremiah's day, an unknowable amount of time before Genesis 1:2?

I thought I cleared the playing field with that one.

No man was found could also mean that no man existed at that time in history.

 

[posthuman]

I thought I cleared the playing field with that one.

No man was found could also mean that no man existed at that time in history.

quite certain men existed in Jeremiah's day

 

[Genez]

quite certain men existed in Jeremiah's day

I see you are failing (or refusing) to see what Jeremiah was prophetically telling the Jews.
He took them back in time to the destruction of the prehistoric world.
He quoted Genesis 1:2 in the Hebrew....

He described the earth being one massive earthquake.
All animals died.

But, that's all neither here, nor there.
For you are determined to screw up what I am saying so if someone came here to learn something?
It would not be able to register.

You guys have a knack for that sort of thing.
And, this forum will never be a part of any word of God revival.
For there is a team here to make sure it won't happen.

It becomes simple to see ...

 

[sawdust]

For those who are given Him (His elect), there is no sin greater than the power of the forgiveness in Christ Jesus by God's mercy and grace

What has that got to do with understanding moral issues? You don't have to be spiritually alive to understand right from wrong and the need of a Saviour.

Why do you think Jesus spoke of earthly things? You think He was only talking to those who already believed in Him? He expected to be understood so people could believe in Him.

John 3:12
I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things?

You have people saved from death in order to save them from death. Not only is it illogical it becomes impossible for "whosoever" to believe, even if they wanted to, they cannot turn and obey the calling of God the Father. The corruption is in the flesh, not the heart so a person who lives in darkness can still yearn for the light when it is made known to them and the Lord is faithful and true to His Name as Saviour so that all are made aware of the truth but only those who respond positively are drawn and given to Christ..

God firmly placed the responsibility to believe on our shoulders, that is the one work God requires. Jn.6:29

It is we who reject God, not the other way round. As far as the Lord is concerned the barrier is removed thanks to Christ's work on the Cross and He has reconciled the world to Himself so that no-one is beyond redemption.

If you weren't so hard of heart you would see it.

 

[posthuman]

Jeremiah was prophetically telling the Jews.
He took them back in time to the destruction of the prehistoric world.
He quoted Genesis 1:2 in the Hebrew....

He described the earth being one massive earthquake.
All animals died.

Revelation 14:15-16​

And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to Him who sat on the cloud, "Thrust in Your sickle and reap, for the time has come for You to reap, for the harvest of the earth is ripe." So He who sat on the cloud thrust in His sickle on the earth, and the earth was reaped.​

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Revelation 16:18​

And there were noises and thunderings and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such a mighty and great earthquake as had not occurred since men were on the earth.​

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2 Peter 3:10​

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up.​

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there is coming a day when all flesh and the earth itself will be destroyed in fire.

there is no need to make up a fairy tale of soulless zombie-men prior to what God calls rhe first man, Adam, in order to understand what things Jeremiah speaks of.

 

[posthuman]

a fairy tale of soulless zombie-men

Ooooh

@Genez it just occurred to me that ((topically)), maybe you're saying calvinists were created first, then destroyed for no reason having anything to do with their own choices - - and Adam is the first human to be created semi-pelagian, is that correct?

 

[rogerg]

You're truly ignorant of a lot of scripture that clearly states we have to keep ourselves holy and in the faith in order to inherit eternal life.

Nope. The following verses clearly show that you're completely wrong.

[1Pe 1:4-5 KJV]
4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

 

[Genez]

Revelation 14:15-16​

And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to Him who sat on the cloud, "Thrust in Your sickle and reap, for the time has come for You to reap, for the harvest of the earth is ripe." So He who sat on the cloud thrust in His sickle on the earth, and the earth was reaped.​

​

Revelation 16:18​

And there were noises and thunderings and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such a mighty and great earthquake as had not occurred since men were on the earth.​

​

2 Peter 3:10​

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up.​

​

there is coming a day when all flesh and the earth itself will be destroyed in fire.

there is no need to make up a fairy tale of soulless zombie-men prior to what God calls rhe first man, Adam, in order to understand what things Jeremiah speaks of.

There is no need to keep using the same strawman, of the zombie men, after I gave reason to not have to believe what I said.

But?
You persist....
And, now are looking like to have a short term memory issue.

 

[Genez]

Ooooh

@Genez it just occurred to me that ((topically)), maybe you're saying calvinists were created first, then destroyed for no reason having anything to do with their own choices - - and Adam is the first human to be created semi-pelagian, is that correct?

God has sovereignly made you to make yourself look like an idiot.

It's God fault.

He decreed it.

 

[posthuman]

strawman, of the zombie men

no strawmen here - - we have brains

There was a prehistoric man created for the previous world created by God.
A generic type man, not created in the image of God.

 

[posthuman]

God has sovereignly made you to make yourself look like an idiot.

It's God fault.

He decreed it.

"i will be even more undignified than this"​

 

[posthuman]

It's God fault.

"fault" is an odd choice of word for the works of God

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[posthuman]

I gave reason to not have to believe what I said.

yes, that is why i do not believe what you said.

1 Corinthians 15:45, as i put in all of 5 seconds, is enough to reject msr. ashby's pre-adamic musings.

• God calls Adam the first ἄνθρωπος ((Greek generic term for human)).
• stan disagrees.
• God wins the argument.

 

[posthuman]

yes, that is why i do not believe what you said.

1 Corinthians 15:45, as i put in all of 5 seconds, is enough to reject msr. ashby's pre-adamic musings.

• God calls Adam the first ἄνθρωπος ((Greek generic term for human)).
• stan disagrees.
• God wins the argument.

isn't it refreshing to have easy theological questions to answer, as a bit of a break from human vs divine will?

thanks, enjoyed it

 

[rogerg]

What has that got to do with understanding moral issues? You don't have to be spiritually alive to understand right from wrong and the need of a Saviour.

Why do you think Jesus spoke of earthly things? You think He was only talking to those who already believed in Him? He expected to be understood so people could believe in Him.

John 3:12
I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things?

You have people saved from death in order to save them from death. Not only is it illogical it becomes impossible for "whosoever" to believe, even if they wanted to, they cannot turn and obey the calling of God the Father. The corruption is in the flesh, not the heart so a person who lives in darkness can still yearn for the light when it is made known to them and the Lord is faithful and true to His Name as Saviour so that all are made aware of the truth but only those who respond positively are drawn and given to Christ..

God firmly placed the responsibility to believe on our shoulders, that is the one work God requires. Jn.6:29

It is we who reject God, not the other way round. As far as the Lord is concerned the barrier is removed thanks to Christ's work on the Cross and He has reconciled the world to Himself so that no-one is beyond redemption.

If you weren't so hard of heart you would see it.

You have received the knowledge of the truth, yet though claiming to be a Christian, you reject Christ as THE Savior who is the Truth. Be very fearful indeed. You have been warned.

[Heb 10:26-31 KJV]
26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance [belongeth] unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
31 [It is] a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

 

[Magenta]

"i will be even more undignified than this"​

I will speak of Your testimonies before kings, and I will not be ashamed.

 

[Magenta]

isn't it refreshing to have easy theological questions to answer, as a bit of a break from human vs divine will?

thanks, enjoyed it

Always enjoy your sense of humour, patience, and the grace you bring to discussions, dear brother...

Yes, thank you!