Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[Rufus]

Between McLaughlin, Chronister and Theime, one will never run out of top notch doctrine [that freely floats in septic tanks or sewers.]

They are so good, the world tries its best to hide them.

But if one WANTS the truth, God will lead them to these spectacular teachers.

FTFY!

Also, proving once again that the world is much smarter than you "sanctified", "wise" FWers

 

[Rufus]

Are you void of the ability to understand these are Disciples of John, Peter, and Paul and only write about what John, Peter, and Paul SAID TO THEM FACE TO FACE?

So, they say. Are their writings on par with the canon of scripture?

 

[Jordon]

I see, the psychopath must've clued you in all about me. And I suppose this part is the manipulation that would attempt to dictate how I should think that I'm missing out on all the 'insight'? Perhaps you should know me before drawing conclusions by word of such an ego that would be clueless even about their self.

who's the psychopath ? I've never spoken to you ?

Clued you in ?

No idea what your talking about ?

 

[Magenta]

And when Jesus said they're unable to believe because they don't belong to God, He's saying they don't believe because they are not His sheep!

There are those too who have the devil as a father, and they want to carry out the desires of their father. He was a murderer from the beginning, refusing to uphold the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, because he is a liar and the father of lies... Just as we see so many here denying the Truth of Scripture over and over and over again; also, they will blaspheme God and then tell us they are defending His character. Do they really believe the lies they tell? It pains me to say so, but it actually seems they do, which shows how delusional and deceived they are.

 

[Rufus]

Proverbs 28 verse 26~ “He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool.” Ecclesiastes 7 verse 20~ “For there is not a just man upon the earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.” Matthew 7 verse 18~ “A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.” Philippians 2 verse 13~ “For it is God which worketh in you, both to will and to do of His good pleasure.”

Yeah...but Prov 28:26 doesn't say "he who trusts in his own freewill". So...I suppose that those who trust in their own freewill (even though man's volition is seated in his heart) must be the wisest men in the universe.

 

[NightTwister]

Are you void of the ability to understand these are Disciples of John, Peter, and Paul and only write about what John, Peter, and Paul SAID TO THEM FACE TO FACE?

Are you void of the ability to understand that only scripture is authoritative? You really should be Roman Catholic. They too believe in free will, along with the authority of the church fathers.

 

[Mem]

who's the psychopath ? I've never spoken to you ?

Clued you in ?

No idea what your talking about ?

And, yet, you were confident to write as if you knew all about me?

 

[Rufus]

That designation is closer to reformed/calvies/tulip folks.

Calvies~~Independent of anything man does, God elects some to salvation.

Universalists~~Independent of anything man does, God elects all to salvation.

Same "sovereign election" theory. Just a numbers difference.




Grace through faith is a choice we have to make [by the efficacy of God's grace] . Some reject it , some embrace it.

FTFY!

 

[Magenta]

Yeah...but Prov 28:26 doesn't say "he who trusts in his own freewill". So...I suppose that those who trust in their own freewill (even though man's volition is seated in his heart) must be the wisest men in the universe.

Yes, they believe they have outsmarted God, Who told us He will confounded the intelligence of the wise.

In their theology, that man they refuse to acknowledge to be the creature God's Word says He is,
chooses something he is inherently opposed to with his incurably wicked heart, while not comprehending
it in the least, because it is only understood only through the Spirit, which he is as yet devoid of...
The man of the world who cannot receive the Spirit of Truth while of the world does what Scripture
claims he cannot... in their theology: he sees, he hears, he understands, he submits, he obeys God.
And most amazingly of all he generates something good out of his flesh, which Jesus said was impossible.

1 Corinthians 3 v 19-21a, 1 Corinthians 1 v 19 ~ The wisdom of this world is foolishness in God’s sight. As it is written: “He catches the wise in their craftiness.” And again, “The Lord knows that the thoughts of the wise are futile.” Therefore, stop boasting in men. For it is written: “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate.”

 

[Genez]

From 1 Peter 1 verses 3-5 ~ The elect are chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father and sanctified by the Spirit for obedience to Jesus Christ and sprinkling by His blood. By His great mercy He has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, and into an inheritance that is imperishable, undefiled, and unfading, reserved in heaven for you, who through faith are shielded by God’s power for the salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time.

Yes... The elect have been chosen.
But, you do not know what the for.
Yet, you keep harping on us that we have been chosen to be saved.

In our time, the church age. The elect have been chosen to be the body of Christ.
For the Father has chosen a Bride for His Son!

God chose us to be saved now in the church age, because He knows we would believe after God leveled the playing field
by incapacitating the source of our depravity, the flesh…

You consist of body and soul.
When you die, your soul remains.
And, the body turns into burnt umber to be used in paints.

Total depravity is not having its source to automatically reject God in his soul.
The soul is merely helpless to resist the impulses of the depraved flesh, which will oppose God!

God's power of grace knocks out the flesh during God's drawing us into salvation.
Thus, allowing one's soul to think free of the sin nature, while deciding what the soul wishes to believe!

If that soul, while under grace, wishes to know Christ?
Then the drawing of God carries that positive soul over the finish line, and hands that soul to Jesus Christ!

Now, here's the catch!

There are souls, that when God's grace incapacitates the depravity of its flesh?
That soul will REJECT the Lord!
Just like Satan did.... They prefer how they thought and felt while controlled by the depravity of their flesh.
Conceited souls.

These are the children of the Devil.

 

[Rufus]

Are you void of the ability to understand that only scripture is authoritative? You really should be Roman Catholic. They too believe in free will, along with the authority of the church fathers.

It'll be just a matter of time before FWers coronate R.B. Thieme Jr. pope of their False Gospel.

 

[Mem]

Why do you keep labelling total depravity Calvinism ?

What is your reason ? Did John Calvin start a religion called Calvinist or Calvinism ?

You've even said you believe people are depraved


You know fine well it means no one is worthy not one.


Do you realise you have had the word of God rejected hundreds of times here with isms and made children of God no longer speak to you

Who are you talking to here?

 

[Rufus]

A vaccine can be made free to all.
Not all will accept the vaccine.

The fact that it is made free to all who wants it does not mean one believes all are cured.
Though, all can be cured if they so desire.

Some just hate vaccines, and nothing will convince them otherwise.

Pretty decent analogy for Total Depravity coming from you. After all, the world hates God, hates his Son, hates Wisdom, hates knowledge and hates the Light. So, tell me: How exactly does the will of man work to get him to actually feel love for God and his Son?

 

[Rufus]

Saying that people are called to believe and are born unable to believe the Good News takes nothing away from the glory of God.

What really diminishes the glory of God is making His offer of salvation to all who trust in Him for the free gift, only available to those He has pre-selected.

His glory is also diminished by a doctrine which asserts the God has given man a fallen nature so completely unable to respond positively to the very Good News He has brought to the world.

Jesus states "love your enemies" calling the believer to a higher moral standard than the god of reformed doctrine who I am told hates those he did not pre-select.

What an utterly stupid statement! NOTHING in this universe can diminish the glory of God; for God is praised and glorified by both saints AND SINNERS alike (Ps 76:10; Phil 2:10) ! Even Jesus' wicked betrayer unwittingly glorified Him (Jn 13:26-32).

Why are you so ignorant of the scriptures?

 

[Jordon]

Who are you talking to here?

you need help calling people a psychopath.

So I've been coherent tolerant towards the worst type of abuse a Christian should have to take

I've been patient I've been kind in polite multiple times defending magenta Cameron and others who are repeatedly getting called twisted names like Calvinist, and other names all the time

Magenta told me when I first spoke to her,. that people where labelling her a Calvinist all the time.

Then I noticed another person being hurt by That to here, an another and. Another


And it's gone on for.weeks from the same people who will not listen, to being asked to stop

So yeah I was also labelled one too,

Ive sinced.found out that the way in which theese people are referring to calling people a Calvinist is basically there saying magenta is mean. And she's not mean

So yeah I'm think it's highly inappropriate to have the word rejected the way in which many people are rejecting magenta


Really nice I must say

And then to top it all of I'm the one who's the luny, but not just luny but a psychopath, wow

Really you should go and a look at the lunies on YouTube who call people Calvinist. I mean wow whilst your there take a look of how crazy they are too

Extremely dangerous people

 

[Mem]

you need help calling people a psychopath.

So I've been coherent tolerant towards the worst type of abuse a Christian should have to take

I've been patient I've been kind in polite multiple times defending magenta Cameron and others who are repeatedly getting called twisted names like Calvinist, and other names all the time

Magenta told me when I first spoke to her,. that people where labelling her a Calvinist all the time.

Then I noticed another person being hurt by That to here, an another and. Another


And it's gone on for.weeks from the same people who will not listen, to being asked to stop

So yeah I was also labelled one too,

Ive sinced.found out that the way in which theese people are referring to calling people a Calvinist is basically there saying magenta is mean. And she's not mean

So yeah I'm think it's highly inappropriate to have the word rejected the way in which many people are rejecting magenta


Really nice I must say

And then to top it all of I'm the one who's the luny, but not just luny but a psychopath, wow

Really you should go and a look at the lunies on YouTube who call people Calvinist. I mean wow whilst your there take a look of how crazy they are too

Extremely dangerous people

I'll let you draw your own conclusions about people rather than attempt to manipulate your own judgment either away from or toward anyone. It doesn't matter so much what any man or woman thinks of me either way, that's the stoic in me. I've gave up trying to belong in any particular cliche (I'm sure I don't even know how to spell the word) in high school. I do care that each individual reader of these forums to keep in mind that it isn't so easy to tell the difference between an empath and a psychopath.

 

[lrs68]

So, they say. Are their writings on par with the canon of scripture?

They are Disciples of John, Peter, and Paul.
If whatever John, Peter, and Paul tells their Disciples don't you believe it aligns with Scripture?

EVIDENTLY YOU DON'T BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE FREE WILL AND JESUS DIED FOR EACH SINGLE PERSON SAVED OR NOT!

 

[lrs68]

Are you void of the ability to understand that only scripture is authoritative? You really should be Roman Catholic. They too believe in free will, along with the authority of the church fathers.

Do you believe John, Peter, and Paul would tell their Disciples something different than what they wrote in the Bible?

You must because YOU HATE THE FACT THE DISCIPLES SAID THOSE SCRIPTURES WRITTEN BY JOHN, PETER, PAUL MEANT FREE WILL AND JESUS DIED FOR EACH SINGLE PERSON SAVED OR NOT!

 

[lrs68]

It'll be just a matter of time before FWers coronate R.B. Thieme Jr. pope of their False Gospel.

If they do it's NO DIFFERENT than you rejecting that the Disciples of John, Peter, Paul said what John, Peter, Paul wrote in the Bible means Free Will and that Jesus died for each single person saved or not making your beliefs FALSE!

 

[Jordon]

I'll let you draw your own conclusions about people rather than attempt to manipulate your own judgment either away from or toward anyone. It doesn't matter so much what any man or woman thinks of me either way, that's the stoic in me. I've gave up trying to belong in any particular cliche (I'm sure I don't even know how to spell the word) in high school. I do care that each individual reader of these forums to keep in mind that it isn't so easy to tell the difference between an empath and a psychopath.

in not interested in your YouTube video. I ain't even going take a look.

I had no intension in taking part in this thread until i felt people needed support here.

If you don't think anything I've said needs addressing and stopping that fine

That's your choice..

But don't bother taking about what you want until you can address what needs addressing here