Applying God's Word to Politics

[TruthDefender]

Well, CJK was a fellow truthseeker whose wisdom I had also learned from Scripture, whether viewed as one teaching or many words.

I have not disagreed with you but only shared what GW teaches about the foundational Gospel (Eph. 2:8-9, Matt. 16:16 & 28:19, 2Tim. 3:15, 1Cor. 3:10a, Col. 2:6) and building on it with teachings about how Christians should live (Eph. 2:10, Matt. 28:20, John 16:13, 2Tim. 3:16-17, 1Cor. 3:10b, Col. 2:7).

What is GW and CC?

 

[GWH]

What is GW and CC?

God's Word and Christian Chat.
Too obvious?

 

[TruthDefender]

God's Word and Christian Chat.
Too obvious?

Yep, already got that.

 

[GWH]

I hope y'all have an opportunity to view the Charlie Kirk Show today, in which Tucker Carlson shared that CJK talked about
his faith in Christ more than any other "secular" news host.

Of course CJK was a sinner, but those who celebrate his murder would crucify Christ.

I doubt I would be as brave a witness as Charlie was, but in my heart I would like to be.

The lie that pushed Americans too far was that it is possible for people to transgender.

Hopefully, Kirk's martyrdom will cause a spiritual revival/turning point that will prevent
his Marxist murderers from killing the rest of us.

 

[GWH]

I hope everyone is aware that Charlie's funeral is today and will view some of it as well as the football games.
RIP CJK,
GWH

 

[GWH]

Erika Kirk needs to rethink what it means to forgive her husband's assassin.
Forgiveness means not enforcing any penalty, which I do not think Charlie advocated.
Forgiveness without repentance abets crime, which is the Democrat policy.
Prove me wrong.

 

[TruthDefender]

Erika Kirk needs to rethink what it means to forgive her husband's assassin.
Forgiveness means not enforcing any penalty, which I do not think Charlie advocated.
Forgiveness without repentance abets crime, which is the Democrat policy.
Prove me wrong.

So you think that CJK’s murderer doesn’t have to pay for his crime; that he can go free?

 

[Eli1]

Erika Kirk needs to rethink what it means to forgive her husband's assassin.

Erika will do what God tells her to do not what you tell her to do.
God bless her for having a higher spiritual connection to God while in the flesh.

 

[studier]

Erika Kirk needs to rethink what it means to forgive her husband's assassin.
Forgiveness means not enforcing any penalty, which I do not think Charlie advocated.
Forgiveness without repentance abets crime, which is the Democrat policy.
Prove me wrong.

I haven't watched so don't know how she framed her forgiveness. Forgiveness releases the heart from vengeance. It doesn’t require the state to release the sword of justice. We can have both which is one of the reasons we have human government.

 

[GWH]

I haven't watched so don't know how she framed her forgiveness. Forgiveness releases the heart from vengeance. It doesn’t require the state to release the sword of justice. We can have both which is one of the reasons we have human government.

Vengeance, no, but justice, yes, both in the heart and in the government (Romans 13:1-5).

Again, forgiveness means not enforcing penalties, which is closer to Democrat Marxist policies
than to what Charlie advocated in all aspects of government, including immigration and crime,
because he knew that forgiveness without repentance abets crime/sin.

 

[Edward429451]

Vengeance, no, but justice, yes, both in the heart and in the government (Romans 13:1-5).

Again, forgiveness means not enforcing penalties, which is closer to Democrat Marxist policies
than to what Charlie advocated in all aspects of government, including immigration and crime,
because he knew that forgiveness without repentance abets crime/sin.

Forgiveness of the heart has little to nothing to do with justice. It does not mean not enforcing penalties it simply means letting it go from ones heart and not planting a seed of bitterness within your own heart through unforgiveness, which would over time damage your heart.

We are told Diligently guard your heart and this is what that means. Be aware that planting seeds of bitterness in your heart grows into a root of bitterness. I like the way the NLT puts it.

Proverbs 4:23
Guard your heart above all else,
for it determines the course of your life..../NLT

Above all else. So this is important. So when Jesus was saying forgive your enemies and bless them, He wasn't trying to give you an impossible task, but rather a warning to you!
When we carry bitterness for another in our heart it hurts us us as much or more than it does them. Let it go.

 

[GWH]

Forgiveness of the heart has little to nothing to do with justice. It does not mean not enforcing penalties it simply means letting it go from ones heart and not planting a seed of bitterness within your own heart through unforgiveness, which would over time damage your heart.

We are told Diligently guard your heart and this is what that means. Be aware that planting seeds of bitterness in your heart grows into a root of bitterness. I like the way the NLT puts it.

Proverbs 4:23
Guard your heart above all else,
for it determines the course of your life..../NLT

Above all else. So this is important. So when Jesus was saying forgive your enemies and bless them, He wasn't trying to give you an impossible task, but rather a warning to you!
When we carry bitterness for another in our heart it hurts us us as much or more than it does them. Let it go.

Whoa! That is about as far from applying GW to politics as you can get, and is not at all what Charlie Kirk was about.

"letting it go from ones heart and not planting a seed of bitterness within your own heart"
has little to do with just forgiveness, which prevents damage to society.
God is not bitter even though He does not forgive the unrepentant.

Bitterness, no; love of justice, yes.

 

[TruthDefender]

Forgiveness of the heart has little to nothing to do with justice. It does not mean not enforcing penalties it simply means letting it go from ones heart and not planting a seed of bitterness within your own heart through unforgiveness, which would over time damage your heart.

We are told Diligently guard your heart and this is what that means. Be aware that planting seeds of bitterness in your heart grows into a root of bitterness. I like the way the NLT puts it.

Proverbs 4:23
Guard your heart above all else,
for it determines the course of your life..../NLT

Above all else. So this is important. So when Jesus was saying forgive your enemies and bless them, He wasn't trying to give you an impossible task, but rather a warning to you!
When we carry bitterness for another in our heart it hurts us us as much or more than it does them. Let it go.

Yes, but then criminals will have to pay for their sins. What the Democrats are doing/ advocating is not right; you don’t let criminals loose so they can repeat their crimes over and over again, justice must be served, irrespective of “sanity”……. This is basic common sense.

 

[studier]

Vengeance, no, but justice, yes, both in the heart and in the government (Romans 13:1-5).

Again, forgiveness means not enforcing penalties, which is closer to Democrat Marxist policies
than to what Charlie advocated in all aspects of government, including immigration and crime,
because he knew that forgiveness without repentance abets crime/sin.

If justice must be retained in the heart, what exactly did forgiveness release to God and government?

Saying “forgiveness means not enforcing penalties” pushes beyond biblical forgiveness. True personal forgiveness releases vengeance and entrusts justice to its proper domains.

 

[TruthDefender]

Vengeance, no, but justice, yes, both in the heart and in the government (Romans 13:1-5).

Again, forgiveness means not enforcing penalties, which is closer to Democrat Marxist policies
than to what Charlie advocated in all aspects of government, including immigration and crime,
because he knew that forgiveness without repentance abets crime/sin.

-"Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on
themselves. For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same. For he is God’s minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God’s minister, an avenger to execute
wrath on him who practices evil. Therefore you must be subject, not only because of wrath but also for conscience’ sake. For because of this you also pay taxes, for they are God’s ministers attending continually to this very thing.
Romans 13:1-6 NKJV

 

[GWH]

If justice must be retained in the heart, what exactly did forgiveness release to God and government?

Saying “forgiveness means not enforcing penalties” pushes beyond biblical forgiveness. True personal forgiveness releases vengeance and entrusts justice to its proper domains.

Yes, love for both victims and perps should be retained in the heart,
and love of justice should desire effective consequences for perpetrating crimes against victims,
which Paul teaches in Romans 13:1-5 (that is quoted in the previous post).

Saying "forgiveness means enforcing penalties" pushes beyond logical semantics.
Again, yes, we should not harbor hatred or desire vengeance, but forgiveness does NOT mean
we should desire there be no appropriate punishment for crime, because that would abet more crime
and be hateful toward future victims.

We DO realize that Christ will come again NOT to atone for sin,
but to administer justice upon evil souls (Heb. 9:28, Rev. 19:11-21)?

 

[Burn1986]

Applying Christian beliefs to politics has been problematic ever since Peter told the Sanhedrin "We must obey God rather than men!" (Acts 5:29)

How should we do this in the current political situation to issues such as national borders, abortion, globalism and lawfare?

Spending time in the Word and fellowship with God through prayer (duh). Not to sound cliche, but Christians get easily distracted by trivial things and get caught up in wrestling with thing that the World cares deeply about.

 

[GWH]

Spending time in the Word and fellowship with God through prayer (duh). Not to sound cliche, but Christians get easily distracted by trivial things and get caught up in wrestling with thing that the World cares deeply about.

Yes, prayer or talking to God is good, but listening to God is very good, and He has told me that murdering babies,
destroying Christian America, and persecuting Christians are NOT trivial things. Has God not told you the same things?

 

[Burn1986]

Yes, prayer or talking to God is good, but listening to God is very good, and He has told me that murdering babies,
destroying Christian America, and persecuting Christians are NOT trivial things. Has God not told you the same things?

There’s some things that are obvious. Cmon, you have to stay up late at night wondering if you should or shouldn’t kill a baby?! “Gee, I wonder if it’s okay for me to steal a car if I really need it?!” Is that really where you’re at in your walk?

 

[GWH]

There’s some things that are obvious. Cmon, you have to stay up late at night wondering if you should or shouldn’t kill a baby?! “Gee, I wonder if it’s okay for me to steal a car if I really need it?!” Is that really where you’re at in your walk?

It is not obvious to those who do such things,
but apparently you walk on a different path from where God leads me,
because on mine it is obvious that God cares about such things.