How do we distinguish false Christ & false Prophets according to Our Lord?

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[You said: Thank you, so "all 3 agree as one", so there are 3 GOD'S.
I understand that JESUS refers to those who trust and obey him as gods.——

No, this is NOT what I said. I only quoted what Jesus told the Jews standing around Him.

[You said: The trinity didn't exist until men started it in the year 325 and now so many people follow those who started it, so it must be true.]

This is false! The Trinity didn’t begin with men, the Trinity was there in the beginning of time. It’s Scriptural, NOT man-made.

You asked:
-Who forgives our sins?
Jesus Christ died for our sins

-Who spoke from Heaven?
God the Father or God the Son, depending on the verse and time frame.

-Where does GOD say what HIS name is OR SHOULD I SAME NAMES? (What do you mean by “Should I Same names?”)
He is referenced by many adjectives: (Note: The Jews were never to mention Jesus’ full name.)The great I Am comes to mind; Jesus is referred to many adjectorial names.

-Can a man speak from Heaven? I don’t think so, I’ve never heard a man speak from heaven. Have you? lol

"The Trinity, all 3 agree as one. Emphasizing the Trinity is good enough; it seems many Christian’s have a hard time with this. And yes, Jesus is God who came in the flesh, born miraculously through Mary (His Eema)."

Looks to me like you said all 3 agree as one?

How could the trinity be there at the beginning of time?

When did the trinity start?

AI Overview
Trinity - World History Encyclopedia
The Christian concept of the Trinity was developed over centuries, with its roots in the 2nd and 3rd centuries, a foundational step taken at the First Council of Nicaea in 325 CE (which defined Christ's divinity), and finally formalized at the Council of Constantinople in 381 CE. While not explicitly stated in the New Testament, early church leaders and bishops debated and refined the idea to reconcile scriptural understandings of God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit into one Godhead.

Maybe you should search it out.

Genesis 1 In the beginning """God""" created the heaven and the earth.

Not GOD'S.

GOD forgives our sins, who forgave our sins OT? Who forgives our sins NT?

When JESUS was on earth did HE forgive sins to those who was around HIM?

What do you think of John 3:13?

When JESUS was speaking on earth and HE says HE is in Heaven at that very second?

What do you think of JESUS speaking from Heaven?

He ascended the second time at that point so he was in Heaven.

What do you think of JESUS telling them to baptized in the name of the father, the son and the Holy Ghost then HIS disciples baptizing in JESUS name?

Did they obey HIM?

Acts 8, these folks were baptized but not filled with the Holy Ghost so Phillip sent for Peter and John.

LOOK AT THE WORDING.

Acts 8:16 (For as yet """he""" was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)

FOR "HE" hasn't fallen on them? WHO IS "HE"?

You really don't have to answer all of those questions.

As I said, I know it's deep and I don't think it's a life and death matter.
 
As do I! I don’t believe Scripture contradicts itself, which is so amazing in itself! We just have to learn to read better.

I don’t believe in man-made doctrines taught by men, I believe in the Word of God, Scripture. People learn hammy down doctrines of men, we get complacent, get stuck in a ditch, say things that aren’t scriptural.

We should all be like the noble Bereans, study to see if what is being taught aligns with Scripture. If everyone did this maybe there would be only one type of church; as it should be!!
I agree with the principles you reference. We just see things relative to the Godhead differently.

I am surprised that anyone can seriously dispute who Jesus is in view of such scriptures as Revelation 1:8; Acts 20:28, Rev. 1:5:

Jesus expressly stated He is the Almighty:
"I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty." Rev. 1:8

Whose blood redeemed us?
"Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood." Acts 20:28

"And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, Rev. 1:5
 
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"The Trinity, all 3 agree as one. Emphasizing the Trinity is good enough; it seems many Christian’s have a hard time with this. And yes, Jesus is God who came in the flesh, born miraculously through Mary (His Eema)."

Looks to me like you said all 3 agree as one?

How could the trinity be there at the beginning of time?

When did the trinity start?

AI Overview
Trinity - World History Encyclopedia
The Christian concept of the Trinity was developed over centuries, with its roots in the 2nd and 3rd centuries, a foundational step taken at the First Council of Nicaea in 325 CE (which defined Christ's divinity), and finally formalized at the Council of Constantinople in 381 CE. While not explicitly stated in the New Testament, early church leaders and bishops debated and refined the idea to reconcile scriptural understandings of God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit into one Godhead.

Maybe you should search it out.
-No thanks! The Bible gives me everything I need.

Genesis 1 In the beginning """God""" created the heaven and the earth.

Not GOD'S.

GOD forgives our sins, who forgave our sins OT? Following the Law, atonement sacrifices, faith in God
Who forgives our sins NT? Jesus

When JESUS was on earth did HE forgive sins to those who was around HIM? You can read this Scripture.

What do you think of John 3:13?

-“No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven.”
‭‭John‬ ‭3‬:‭13‬ ‭NKJV‬‬
Jesus

When JESUS was speaking on earth and HE says HE is in Heaven at that very second?

-You have to mention a verse, otherwise I’m not sure what you mean.

What do you think of JESUS speaking from Heaven?

-I already answered this.

He ascended the second time at that point so he was in Heaven.

-Again the verse you’re referring to?

What do you think of JESUS telling them to baptized in the name of the father, the son and the Holy Ghost then HIS disciples baptizing in JESUS name?

-What is your question exactly? This is the way it is done.

Did they obey HIM?

-Yes

Acts 8, these folks were baptized but not filled with the Holy Ghost so Phillip sent for Peter and John.

LOOK AT THE WORDING.

Acts 8:16 (For as yet """he""" was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)

FOR "HE" hasn't fallen on them? WHO IS "HE"?

-The Holy Spirit

You really don't have to answer all of those questions.

As I said, I know it's deep and I don't think it's a life and death matter.

Why do you look to the World Encyclopedia, or whatever for answers? Men don’t have the answers, God has the answers; the answers are in Scripture!

I did answer the above, you will have to scroll above in the quotes for my answers (they are with the dash lines) I also have answers below too.

[You said:
Looks to me like you said all 3 agree as one?]

-"For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one."
I John 5:7 NKJV
They’re also in agreement.

[You said:
-How could the trinity be there at the beginning of time?
-When did the trinity start?]

-"Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."" Genesis 1:26 NKJV

-"Then the Jews said to Him, "You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?" Jesus said to them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM."" John 8:57-58 NKJV

-It sounds like they were from the beginning of our creation!

-“Then the Lord God said, "Behold, the man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil. And now, lest he put out his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever". Genesis 3:22 NKJV

-"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.
-And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth."
John 1:1-3, 14 NKJV
 
I agree with the principles you reference. We just see things relative to the Godhead differently.

I am surprised that anyone can seriously dispute who Jesus is in view of such scriptures as Revelation 1:8; Acts 20:28, Rev. 1:5:

Jesus expressly stated He is the Almighty:
"I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty." Rev. 1:8

Whose blood redeemed us?
"Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood." Acts 20:28

"And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, Rev. 1:5

Yes, Jesus was from the beginning. He is equal to God the Father. All things were made through Him that was made.

He is the Word that became flesh….
John 1
 
To know the difference between christ and the false is done by using scripture.

The bible is the sure word of God.

Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

If a bright shining angel comes in the most beautiful way with beautiful words but words that contradict the bible, you can be sure it is Satan.

Know the bible
 
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When Jesus was tempted by the devil after 40 days of fasting, he wouldn't have made himself know at first.

He is a lier and deciever.

Jesus quoted bible verses...

Mat 4:4 But Jesus answered and said, It is written, .....
Mat 4:7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, .....
Mat 4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

It is written is our safety. Not swords or politics.
 
Why do you look to the World Encyclopedia, or whatever for answers? Men don’t have the answers, God has the answers; the answers are in Scripture!

I did answer the above, you will have to scroll above in the quotes for my answers (they are with the dash lines) I also have answers below too.

[You said:
Looks to me like you said all 3 agree as one?]

-"For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one."
I John 5:7 NKJV
They’re also in agreement.

[You said:
-How could the trinity be there at the beginning of time?
-When did the trinity start?]

-"Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."" Genesis 1:26 NKJV

-"Then the Jews said to Him, "You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?" Jesus said to them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM."" John 8:57-58 NKJV

-It sounds like they were from the beginning of our creation!

-“Then the Lord God said, "Behold, the man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil. And now, lest he put out his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever". Genesis 3:22 NKJV

-"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.
-And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth."
John 1:1-3, 14 NKJV

I thought you may like it? Sorry,

1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Father, word and Holy Ghost?

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

But yet we have the word, which was GOD and the word was GOD.

Verse ,
2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Do you notice ONE PERSON?

Genesis, I have no idea who HE was speaking to, the angels?

Are you saying HE was speaking to JESUS and the Holy Ghost?

John 8 confirms JESUS was THE I AM.

Because HE claimed to be GOD this happened.
59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

Yep, GOD is the word, and it became flesh, you don't see it yet?

Which line up with this, which ends all controversy.

1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
Read full chapter
 
I thought you may like it? Sorry,

1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Father, word and Holy Ghost?

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

But yet we have the word, which was GOD and the word was GOD.

Verse ,
2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Do you notice ONE PERSON?

Genesis, I have no idea who HE was speaking to, the angels?

Are you saying HE was speaking to JESUS and the Holy Ghost?

John 8 confirms JESUS was THE I AM.

Because HE claimed to be GOD this happened.
59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

Yep, GOD is the word, and it became flesh, you don't see it yet?

Which line up with this, which ends all controversy.

1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
Read full chapter

So I take it you don’t believe in the Trinity?
You can’t seem to comprehend that “They” were in the beginning?
 
I thought you may like it? Sorry,

1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Father, word and Holy Ghost?

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

But yet we have the word, which was GOD and the word was GOD.

Verse ,
2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Do you notice ONE PERSON?

Genesis, I have no idea who HE was speaking to, the angels?

Are you saying HE was speaking to JESUS and the Holy Ghost?

John 8 confirms JESUS was THE I AM.

Because HE claimed to be GOD this happened.
59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

Yep, GOD is the word, and it became flesh, you don't see it yet?

Which line up with this, which ends all controversy.

1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
Read full chapter

It certainly is a mystery!
 
I thought you may like it? Sorry,

1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Father, word and Holy Ghost?

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

But yet we have the word, which was GOD and the word was GOD.

Verse ,
2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Do you notice ONE PERSON?

Genesis, I have no idea who HE was speaking to, the angels?

Are you saying HE was speaking to JESUS and the Holy Ghost?

John 8 confirms JESUS was THE I AM.

Because HE claimed to be GOD this happened.
59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

Yep, GOD is the word, and it became flesh, you don't see it yet?

Which line up with this, which ends all controversy.

1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
Read full chapter

-"But to the Son He says: "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom." Hebrews 1:8 NKJV

God the Father is speaking not to Himself, but to Jesus…..

[You said:
Genesis, I have no idea who HE was speaking to, the angels?

Are you saying HE was speaking to JESUS and the Holy Ghost? ]

-He was speaking to Jesus, and the Holy Spirit—- Yes (The Trinity was in the beginning)
 
Your dismissal of me is based on your bruised ego. I criticize your words because what you share is often your misinterpretation of Scripture. Your English is not excellent, but instead of correcting it you expect God to bridge the gap.

I will continue to tell others you are wrong when you are wrong so that they aren’t led into error in your wake.

When you grow up enough to set aside your ridiculous made-up criteria for salvation, you might learn that I have much more to offer than criticism. In the meantime I will enjoy my relationship with my Father through Jesus Christ His Son.

Your dismissal of me is based on your bruised ego. I criticize your words because what you share is often your misinterpretation of Scripture. Your English is not excellent, but instead of correcting it you expect God to bridge the gap.
I'm here to share the truth.
I'm not trying to impress anybody for my English. As I said God will make a way for those seeking the truth. I'm happy with what English I have because what matters is truth and not fluent in English.
You did not learned from Moses who is not good in speaking but he led the Israelites with God's way. Let me post the verse again.
EXODUS 4:10
10 Moses said to the Lord, “Pardon your servant, Lord. I have never been eloquent, neither in the past nor since you have spoken to your servant. I am slow of speech and tongue.”


I will continue to tell others you are wrong when you are wrong so that they aren’t led into error in your wake.
You are free to do it because it is your choice. Jesus is alive and I know he will not agree in your plan.
I'm pretty sure, the more you do it the more Lord Jesus expose you that you are in the dark.

When you grow up enough to set aside your ridiculous made-up criteria for salvation, you might learn that I have much more to offer than criticism. In the meantime I will enjoy my relationship with my Father through Jesus Christ His Son
Now it begin to show that you want to teach.
Because you don't know who God the Father is. Then you don't know the real Jesus (John 8:19)
According to Jesus those who don't know him are spiritually blind (John 9:40-41)
How do you expect me to listen to a blind man? What kind of learning would I have?
MATTHEW 15:14
14 Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.

This is what the Lord Jesus said for those who want to have wisdom. They must ask God and not you.
JAMES 1:5-8
5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.
7 For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord.
8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.
 
Logic is not hermeneutical method, though proper hermeneutics employs sound logic. Logic is thinking rightly, as God Himself does. You can claim what you like about my "method" being "already exposed" but you can't provide any proof, only more flawed arguments.

I am not "proud" of my English language, but I do happen to understand its structure better than many people. There is no shame on you for not understanding English as well as I do, but when you refuse to learn, you earn disrespect. There are probably other forums using other primary languages where I would struggle to communicate. In such a context I would take language correction from native speakers of that language, but this forum uses English.

For at least the second time, I have not claimed that hermeneutics is a "basis to salvation" or anything of the sort. Those are your words, and they are wrong.

Logic is not hermeneutical method, though proper hermeneutics employs sound logic. Logic is thinking rightly, as God Himself does. You can claim what you like about my "method" being "already exposed" but you can't provide any proof, only more flawed arguments.
The proof is nobody among the chosen of God used your hermeneutical method, from Old and New Testaments.
How would you say Paul learned from Jesus by hermeneutical method?
Jesus and Paul did not meet face to face. Jesus was no longer in the earth when he taught Paul.
GALATIANS 1:11-12
11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
 
Your dismissal of me is based on your bruised ego. I criticize your words because what you share is often your misinterpretation of Scripture. Your English is not excellent, but instead of correcting it you expect God to bridge the gap.

I will continue to tell others you are wrong when you are wrong so that they aren’t led into error in your wake.

When you grow up enough to set aside your ridiculous made-up criteria for salvation, you might learn that I have much more to offer than criticism. In the meantime I will enjoy my relationship with my Father through Jesus Christ His Son.

In the meantime I will enjoy my relationship with my Father through Jesus Christ His Son
Is it appropriate for you to call god as Father in which you don't even know him?

Remember the Scribes & Pharisees were claiming that their God is the Father (John 8:41). Therefore they taught they have a relationship with God the Father.
But since they don't know who God the Father is, Jesus called them a liar.
JOHN 8:54-55
54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:
55 Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying.

The worse, although Scribes & Pharisees called God as Father. Since they can't identify who he is.
Jesus said who is really their Father.
JOHN 8:44
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Only the Chosen of God from the Old and New Testaments who deserve to call God as their Father because they know him.
For the generation today, still those chosen of God or those people whose the recognition to Jesus is a revelation from the Father.
 
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Logic is not hermeneutical method, though proper hermeneutics employs sound logic. Logic is thinking rightly, as God Himself does. You can claim what you like about my "method" being "already exposed" but you can't provide any proof, only more flawed arguments.
The proof is nobody among the chosen of God used your hermeneutical method, from Old and New Testaments.
How would you say Paul learned from Jesus by hermeneutical method?
Jesus and Paul did not meet face to face. Jesus was no longer in the earth when he taught Paul.
GALATIANS 1:11-12
11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
I wonder what you think biblical hermeneutics is, when you say that nobody among the chosen of God used it. It is the may we interpret what the bible means. Jesus used it. For example, when He was answering the Sadducees, who don't believe in a resurrection, and who had come to test Him with an involved question about a women who had married seven brothers in turn, asking Jesus whose wife she would be in the resurrection. The answer Jesus gave included these words:

““But concerning the resurrection of the dead, have you not read what was spoken to you by God, saying, ‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.”” (Mt 22:31-32 NKJV)

Jesus was giving the correct interpretation of God's words to Moses, in Exodus 3:6. Matthew used biblical hermeneutics when he applied the prophecy of Isaiah 7:14 to the birth of Jesus:

“So all this was done that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the Lord through the prophet, saying: “Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel,” which is translated, “God with us.”” (Mt 1:22-23 NKJV)
 
-"But to the Son He says: "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom." Hebrews 1:8 NKJV

God the Father is speaking not to Himself, but to Jesus…..

[You said:
Genesis, I have no idea who HE was speaking to, the angels?

Are you saying HE was speaking to JESUS and the Holy Ghost? ]

-He was speaking to Jesus, and the Holy Spirit—- Yes (The Trinity was in the beginning)

So I take it you don’t believe in the Trinity?
You can’t seem to comprehend that “They” were in the beginning?

I'm sorry, I do not.
Why men started the trinity in the year 325 which started all of this confusion.

I will ask what are " their " names?


It certainly is a mystery!

1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

It doesn't have to be.



-"But to the Son He says: "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom." Hebrews 1:8 NKJV

God the Father is speaking not to Himself, but to Jesus…..

It is true, the part you don't understand is when JESUS was on this earth as a man HE had to speak to himself that was in Heaven.

Who was JESUS referring to in John 3:13

13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

Why does HE say he's in Heaven?

Yep, hard to understand if you think there are 3 gods but if you understand there is only one it makes since.


[You said:
Genesis, I have no idea who HE was speaking to, the angels?

Are you saying HE was speaking to JESUS and the Holy Ghost? ]

-He was speaking to Jesus, and the Holy Spirit—- Yes (The Trinity was in the beginning)

I said I have no idea, I was not there and how do you know HE was not speaking to the angels? I can't prove it but there are plenty of scripture backing up there is ONLY ONE GOD.

Can you tell me what those three GODS names are?

This is a insterating topic and I didn't what to be rude and not respond so I did.

The main thing is being reborn, believe, repent, get baptized in JESUS name to get rid of our sins and JESUS fills us with the Holy Ghost like HE did his disciples in Acts 4.

After that we can grow in HIS and can speak of things that are not life and death matters.

No reason to carry on unless you would like to share some more.

GOD BLESS YOU IN YOUR WALK.
 
I wonder what you think biblical hermeneutics is, when you say that nobody among the chosen of God used it. It is the may we interpret what the bible means. Jesus used it. For example, when He was answering the Sadducees, who don't believe in a resurrection, and who had come to test Him with an involved question about a women who had married seven brothers in turn, asking Jesus whose wife she would be in the resurrection. The answer Jesus gave included these words:

““But concerning the resurrection of the dead, have you not read what was spoken to you by God, saying, ‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.”” (Mt 22:31-32 NKJV)

Jesus was giving the correct interpretation of God's words to Moses, in Exodus 3:6. Matthew used biblical hermeneutics when he applied the prophecy of Isaiah 7:14 to the birth of Jesus:

“So all this was done that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the Lord through the prophet, saying: “Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel,” which is translated, “God with us.”” (Mt 1:22-23 NKJV)

I wouldn’t call what Jesus was speaking interpretation! They just didn’t know the Law, and they didn’t have the NC at that time.
 
I wouldn’t call what Jesus was speaking interpretation! They just didn’t know the Law, and they didn’t have the NC at that time.
I would say that the Sadducees misunderstood what God had said to Moses. They seemed to think that He meant something like, "I am the God that Abraham, Isaac and Jacob trusted." Jesus explains that it means more - that Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are alive. Perhaps the better word is "explanation" rather than "interpretation."
 
So I take it you don’t believe in the Trinity?
You can’t seem to comprehend that “They” were in the beginning?

I'm sorry, I do not.
Why men started the trinity in the year 325 which started all of this confusion.

I will ask what are " their " names?


It certainly is a mystery!

1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

It doesn't have to be.



-"But to the Son He says: "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom." Hebrews 1:8 NKJV

God the Father is speaking not to Himself, but to Jesus…..

It is true, the part you don't understand is when JESUS was on this earth as a man HE had to speak to himself that was in Heaven.

Who was JESUS referring to in John 3:13

13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

Why does HE say he's in Heaven?

Yep, hard to understand if you think there are 3 gods but if you understand there is only one it makes since.


[You said:
Genesis, I have no idea who HE was speaking to, the angels?

Are you saying HE was speaking to JESUS and the Holy Ghost? ]

-He was speaking to Jesus, and the Holy Spirit—- Yes (The Trinity was in the beginning)

I said I have no idea, I was not there and how do you know HE was not speaking to the angels? I can't prove it but there are plenty of scripture backing up there is ONLY ONE GOD.

Can you tell me what those three GODS names are?

This is a insterating topic and I didn't what to be rude and not respond so I did.

The main thing is being reborn, believe, repent, get baptized in JESUS name to get rid of our sins and JESUS fills us with the Holy Ghost like HE did his disciples in Acts 4.

After that we can grow in HIS and can speak of things that are not life and death matters.

No reason to carry on unless you would like to share some more.

GOD BLESS YOU IN YOUR WALK.

Thank you, same to you!
It’s not hard to understand though. There are a lot of verses in the NC that even use “alike in oneness”, or “agree as one” but are actually many.
 
Why do you look to the World Encyclopedia, or whatever for answers? Men don’t have the answers, God has the answers; the answers are in Scripture!

I did answer the above, you will have to scroll above in the quotes for my answers (they are with the dash lines) I also have answers below too.

[You said:
Looks to me like you said all 3 agree as one?]

-"For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one."
I John 5:7 NKJV
They’re also in agreement.

[You said:
-How could the trinity be there at the beginning of time?
-When did the trinity start?]

-"Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."" Genesis 1:26 NKJV

-"Then the Jews said to Him, "You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?" Jesus said to them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM."" John 8:57-58 NKJV

-It sounds like they were from the beginning of our creation!

-“Then the Lord God said, "Behold, the man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil. And now, lest he put out his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever". Genesis 3:22 NKJV

-"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.
-And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth."
John 1:1-3, 14 NKJV
1 John 5:7 - does not say the Father, Word, and Holy Spirit agree as one. IT SAYS THEY are one.
Gen. 1:26 and 3:22 - Who God was referencing has been debated over the years. Angels, etc.
John 8:57-58 - Jesus declares Himself to be the I AM. Most who study scripture are aware God Almighty told Moses He was the I AM. (Exodus 3:14)


John 1:1-3, 14 - Reveals the Word IS God. Through a miraculous tranformation the Word (GOD) became flesh and dwelt among us=Jesus. All things were made by Him. Who? The Word=God/Jesus

See Genesis 1 - GOD created the heaven and the earth. How? God SAID...

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

And God said: Let there be light: and there was light.
And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
And the evening and the morning were the third day.

And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. Genesis 1