Israel.

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Let's see what Luke says....

Luk 9:28 And about eight days after he had said these things, he took Peter and John and James with him and went up into the mountain for prayer.

Luk 9:29 And while he was in prayer, his face was changed and his clothing became white and shining.

Luk 9:30 And two men, Moses and Elijah, were talking with him;

Luk 9:31 Who were seen in glory and were talking of his death which was about to take place in Jerusalem.

Moses represents the law...Elijah the prophets. Which Jesus came to fulfill.
The conversation was about his death Luke 9:31.
Later God speaks and testifies this is his son. Early before this all occurred the conversation was about 'whom do you say I am.
The Apostles were given a glimpse of Christ in his Devine form before he was made a little lower that the angles.
Pointing to the law and the prophets to bring truth to his life ,death , and resurrection were all according to scripture.
Pointing to the one and only son of God ...Jesus.
It was a life changing experience to the apostle whom Jesus chose to see this. Jesus was now known in a Devine state also and not just a good man whom some say, or a prophet but devine.

You didn't address the kingdom coming in power

 

[TruthDefender]

Shared DNA Markers are able to trace the bloodline back to Abraham, which we know is the great great great Grandson of Noah. Then from Noah we know that goes back to Seth and ultimately to Adam.


Shared Genetic Markers:
Studies have identified a set of genetic markers shared among Jewish populations, suggesting a common ancestry rooted in the Middle East.

Distinct Genetic Signatures:
While sharing common genetic markers, each Jewish population (e.g., Ashkenazi, Sephardi, Ethiopian) also exhibits distinct genetic features reflecting their unique histories and migrations.

Biblical Accounts:
The Bible, particularly Genesis 10 and 11, provides genealogies tracing the lineage of Abraham and other biblical figures back to Noah.

DNA and Biblical Data:
Some studies have attempted to align the biblical accounts of genealogy with DNA evidence, finding several similarities.

All of us are from Noah! There were only 8 people on that ark that repopulated the earth.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Six days after Jesus said this the promised kingdom of God, ruled by the son of David, came to Israel.

And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power. Mark 9:1-2​

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Amen I say to you, there are some of the ones here standing, the ones who in no way shall taste death, until whenever they should behold the son of man coming in his kingdom. Matthew 16:28​

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But I say to you truly, there are some of the ones here standing who in no way shall taste death until whenever they should see the kingdom of God. Luke 9:27​

 

[God-fearing]

You didn't address the kingdom coming in power

Refresh my memory....the kingdom coming to power where in the text do you see that please?

 

[God-fearing]

You didn't address the kingdom coming in power

I see where your referring to. Sorry.
In mark 8 previous to the kingdom of power coming Jesus is talking about a certain generation that will be here to see the Son of man coming in the Glory of his father.
And if your are ashamed he will also be ashamed.
This again reflects the type of death Jesus would suffer, crucifixion was looked upon as shameful, as well as horrible.
For the glory that was set before him he endured the cross.
Jesus was stripped of his clothing, his ministry was thought to be blasphemy. His very dignity stripped to nothing.
Of course we know why this had to happen but many would take this as a shameful end to a means.
Cursed is he that hangs from a tree.

 

[TruthDefender]

Refresh my memory....the kingdom coming to power where in the text do you see that please?

-“Now when He was asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, He answered them and said, “The kingdom of God does not come with observation; nor will they say, ‘See here!’ or ‘See there!’ For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you.”” ‭‭Luke‬ ‭17‬:‭20‬-‭21‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

-“For the kingdom of God is not in word but in power.”
‭‭I Corinthians‬ ‭4‬:‭20‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

 

[God-fearing]

-“Now when He was asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, He answered them and said, “The kingdom of God does not come with observation; nor will they say, ‘See here!’ or ‘See there!’ For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you.”” ‭‭Luke‬ ‭17‬:‭20‬-‭21‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

-“For the kingdom of God is not in word but in power.”
‭‭I Corinthians‬ ‭4‬:‭20‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

So true when Jesus comes back he will show his power. The authority he gave us was to demonstrate his kingdom to come but his second coming comes with a rod of iron to rule over the nations.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

So true when Jesus comes back he will show his power. The authority he gave us was to demonstrate his kingdom to come but his second coming comes with a rod of iron to rule over the nations.

He's showing his power right now to overcome sin and the world.

 

[Cameron143]

So true when Jesus comes back he will show his power. The authority he gave us was to demonstrate his kingdom to come but his second coming comes with a rod of iron to rule over the nations.

Jesus is already ruling an reigning from on high. He has the keys to death and hell and is building His church and the gates of hell cannot prevail against it. Every time He plucks a brand from the fire He is adding to His kingdom.
God's goal has always been to fill the earth with the knowledge of the glory of the Lord. He started this with the creation of earthand mankind, giving man dominion over the earth and a mandate to be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth. Had man not sinned, God's goal would have been accomplished.
Since sin entered in, the way to accomplish God's original goal of filling the earth with the knowledge of His glory is by redeeming lost sinners and placing the kingdom in them. Each time someone is saved, the knowledge of the glory of the Lord is greater in the earth. As God redeems more and more people over time, the glory of the knowledge of the Lord will eventually fill the earth.

 

[TruthDefender]

So true when Jesus comes back he will show his power. The authority he gave us was to demonstrate his kingdom to come but his second coming comes with a rod of iron to rule over the nations.

Could you give me a verse on ruling the nations at His return? Thx.

 

[TruthDefender]

I see where your referring to. Sorry.
In mark 8 previous to the kingdom of power coming Jesus is talking about a certain generation that will be here to see the Son of man coming in the Glory of his father.
And if your are ashamed he will also be ashamed.
This again reflects the type of death Jesus would suffer, crucifixion was looked upon as shameful, as well as horrible.
For the glory that was set before him he endured the cross.
Jesus was stripped of his clothing, his ministry was thought to be blasphemy. His very dignity stripped to nothing.
Of course we know why this had to happen but many would take this as a shameful end to a means.
Cursed is he that hangs from a tree.

The very last statement is to mean cursed is everyone who holds onto the Law/ OC.

-"Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree"),"
Galatians 3:13 NKJV

-"In that He says, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away."
Hebrews 8:13 NKJV

 

[God-fearing]

Could you give me a verse on ruling the nations at His return? Thx.

Psa 2:7 I will make clear the Lord's decision: he has said to me, You are my son, this day have I given you being.

Psa 2:8 Make your request to me, and I will give you the nations for your heritage, and the farthest limits of the earth will be under your hand.

Psa 2:9 They will be ruled by you with a rod of iron; they will be broken like a potter's vessel

Rev 2:26 He who overcomes, and keeps my works to the end, to him I will give rule over the nations,

Rev 2:27 And he will be ruling them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of the potter they will be broken, even as I have power from my Father.

 

[Lifted_by_the_word]

Matthew:33-43
Hear another parable: There was a certain householder, which planted a vineyard, and hedged it round about, and digged a winepress in it, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country:
And when the time of the fruit drew near, he sent his servants to the husbandmen, that they might receive the fruits of it.
And the husbandmen took his servants, and beat one, and killed another, and stoned another.
Again, he sent other servants more than the first: and they did unto them likewise.
But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son.
But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance.
And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him.
When the lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen?
They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.
Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.


The vineyard in this parable is the kingdom of God.From a Zionist point of view how do you explain this parable to fit the narrative? Did the house holder destroy those wicked men only to have another wicked group take their place?

Was Jerusalem of old considered the kingdom of God?If the answer is "yes"Then Jesus says that the kingdom will be taken away from them.Was this statement fulfilled in the eyes of a Zionist?If your answer is "yes" Explain how the modern state of Israel fits into this parable,please.

How does spiritual Israel fit exactly into this parable like a puzzle piece,but the modern state of Israel doesn't?Can a Zionist give their opinion?

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

I think the kingdom of Israel and the kingdom of God are not the same. The first was ruled by men and the 2nd is ruled by God. The prophets prophesied about the coming kingdom of God, which arrived in Mark 9:2, but that promise was made null and void when the rulers of Israel rejected the king of Israel. So the kingdom of God was taken away from them and given to the holy nation mentioned in 1 Peter 2:9

 

[TruthDefender]

I think the kingdom of Israel and the kingdom of God are not the same. The first was ruled by men and the 2nd is ruled by God. The prophets prophesied about the coming kingdom of God, which arrived in Mark 9:2, but that promise was made null and void when the rulers of Israel rejected the king of Israel. So the kingdom of God was taken away from them and given to the holy nation mentioned in 1 Peter 2:9

-“Now after John was put in prison, Jesus came to Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, and saying, “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand. Repent, and believe in the gospel.””
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1‬:‭14‬-‭15‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

 

[God-fearing]

I think the kingdom of Israel and the kingdom of God are not the same. The first was ruled by men and the 2nd is ruled by God. The prophets prophesied about the coming kingdom of God, which arrived in Mark 9:2, but that promise was made null and void when the rulers of Israel rejected the king of Israel. So the kingdom of God was taken away from them and given to the holy nation mentioned in 1 Peter 2:9

As I said before Jesus was the lamb of God, not to be a crown king. John said this quite clearly...behold The lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world. this was right before Jesus ministry. Before the rejection. at his baptism. How could you possibly miss this?
Israel looked for a messiah that would deliver them out of bondage from Rome.
sin had to be delt with first, a atonement to be made. Your missing Isaiah 53 which is the prophecy about Christ. Israel neglects this and some rabbi do not even teach on this. Even today. The ones that do say it is about Israel not Jesus.

Jesus mission.

Luk 4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been as a child, and he went, as his way was, into the Synagogue on the Sabbath, and got up to give a reading.

Luk 4:17 And the book of the prophet Isaiah was given to him and, opening the book, he came on the place where it is said,

Luk 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because I am marked out by him to give good news to the poor; he has sent me to make well those who are broken-hearted; to say that the prisoners will be let go, and the blind will see, and to make the wounded free from their chains,

Luk 4:19 To give knowledge that the year of the Lord's good pleasure is come.

Luk 4:20 And shutting the book he gave it back to the servant and took his seat: and the eyes of all in the Synagogue were fixed on him.

Luk 4:21 Then he said to them, Today this word has come true in your hearing.

All the things that you say you see in the gospels are future events yet to be fulfilled. We pray the Lords prayer saying...thy kingdom come let it be done on Earth as it is in heaven.
I knew you would not except my answer on the transfiguration because it would put holes in your narrative.
nor do you except the fact of Jesus ministry mission. And you still have made a work around on the reign of Christ.
I have shown you all the truth that points to the questions asked even offered to except your findings but only in the shadows of things to come.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

As I said before Jesus was the lamb of God, not to be a crown king. John said this quite clearly...behold The lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world. this was right before Jesus ministry. Before the rejection. at his baptism. How could you possibly miss this?

Why do you play this game with me? I posted a verse that you completely ignored about Jesus being both the lamb of God who was slain and the lion of the tribe of Judah who conquered the world and devil. He was both. If you keep doing this to me I'm just going to start ignoring you. Contrary people like you are not good for my mental and spiritual health

 

[TruthDefender]

As I said before Jesus was the lamb of God, not to be a crown king. John said this quite clearly...behold The lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world. this was right before Jesus ministry. Before the rejection. at his baptism. How could you possibly miss this?
Israel looked for a messiah that would deliver them out of bondage from Rome.
sin had to be delt with first, a atonement to be made. Your missing Isaiah 53 which is the prophecy about Christ. Israel neglects this and some rabbi do not even teach on this. Even today. The ones that do say it is about Israel not Jesus.

Jesus mission.

Luk 4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been as a child, and he went, as his way was, into the Synagogue on the Sabbath, and got up to give a reading.

Luk 4:17 And the book of the prophet Isaiah was given to him and, opening the book, he came on the place where it is said,

Luk 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because I am marked out by him to give good news to the poor; he has sent me to make well those who are broken-hearted; to say that the prisoners will be let go, and the blind will see, and to make the wounded free from their chains,

Luk 4:19 To give knowledge that the year of the Lord's good pleasure is come.

Luk 4:20 And shutting the book he gave it back to the servant and took his seat: and the eyes of all in the Synagogue were fixed on him.

Luk 4:21 Then he said to them, Today this word has come true in your hearing.

All the things that you say you see in the gospels are future events yet to be fulfilled. We pray the Lords prayer saying...thy kingdom come let it be done on Earth as it is in heaven.
I knew you would not except my answer on the transfiguration because it would put holes in your narrative.
nor do you except the fact of Jesus ministry mission. And you still have made a work around on the reign of Christ.
I have shown you all the truth that points to the questions asked even offered to except your findings but only in the shadows of things to come.

Luke 4:21 is not a future event. Jesus stated that it has been fulfilled today! Your version is a bit strange, but it means the same.

-“And He began to say to them, “Today this Scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.””
‭‭Luke‬ ‭4‬:‭21‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Luke 4:21 is not a future event. Jesus stated that it has been fulfilled today! Your version is a bit strange, but it means the same.

-“And He began to say to them, “Today this Scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.””
‭‭Luke‬ ‭4‬:‭21‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

Jesus stopped reading before the part about the day of vengeance, because obviously that had not come yet.

Some seem to think that Jesus' reign as king won't begin until he is kicking as* and taking names, but that's not the case. He's king over his holy nation and the kingdom of God right now.

 

[TruthDefender]

As I said before Jesus was the lamb of God, not to be a crown king. John said this quite clearly...behold The lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world. this was right before Jesus ministry. Before the rejection. at his baptism. How could you possibly miss this?
Israel looked for a messiah that would deliver them out of bondage from Rome.
sin had to be delt with first, a atonement to be made. Your missing Isaiah 53 which is the prophecy about Christ. Israel neglects this and some rabbi do not even teach on this. Even today. The ones that do say it is about Israel not Jesus.

Jesus mission.

Luk 4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been as a child, and he went, as his way was, into the Synagogue on the Sabbath, and got up to give a reading.

Luk 4:17 And the book of the prophet Isaiah was given to him and, opening the book, he came on the place where it is said,

Luk 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because I am marked out by him to give good news to the poor; he has sent me to make well those who are broken-hearted; to say that the prisoners will be let go, and the blind will see, and to make the wounded free from their chains,

Luk 4:19 To give knowledge that the year of the Lord's good pleasure is come.

Luk 4:20 And shutting the book he gave it back to the servant and took his seat: and the eyes of all in the Synagogue were fixed on him.

Luk 4:21 Then he said to them, Today this word has come true in your hearing.

All the things that you say you see in the gospels are future events yet to be fulfilled. We pray the Lords prayer saying...thy kingdom come let it be done on Earth as it is in heaven.
I knew you would not except my answer on the transfiguration because it would put holes in your narrative.
nor do you except the fact of Jesus ministry mission. And you still have made a work around on the reign of Christ.
I have shown you all the truth that points to the questions asked even offered to except your findings but only in the shadows of things to come.

The phrase, “Thy Kingdom come” was prayed for before the church was established. We don’t say that phrase today, because the kingdom is established.

-"In those days John the Baptist came preaching in the wilderness of Judea, and saying, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand!""
Matthew 3:1-2 NKJV

-"From that time Jesus began to preach and to say, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.""
Matthew 4:17 NKJV