Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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Well the best one is God said to Abraham you will have descendants as numerous as the stars, I wonder how God knew that,

I can't recall God being somebody who guesses in scripture
 
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The LORD of Hosts has sworn: “Surely, as I have planned, so will it be; as I have purposed, so will it stand.” Isaiah 14 verse 24 The counsel of the LORD stands forever, the purposes of His heart to all generations. Psalm 33 verse 11 Our God is in heaven; He does as He pleases. Psalm 115 verse 3 Many plans are in a man’s heart, but the purpose of the LORD will prevail. Proverbs 19 verse 21 In Him we were also chosen as God’s own, having been predestined according to the plan of Him who works out everything by the counsel of His will. Ephesians 1 verse 11 And we know that God works all things together for the good of those who love Him, who are called according to His purpose. For those God foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brothers. And those He predestined, He also called; those He called, He also justified; those He justified, He also glorified. Romans 8 verses 28-30 For He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world to be holy and blameless in His presence. In love He predestined us for adoption as His sons through Jesus Christ, according to the good pleasure of His will. Ephesians 1 verses 4-5
 
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It's not about what you think. It's about that God finally includes the Gentiles so now they're able to Repent and be Saved.

Nor is it about what you think. Included were verses that say contrary to your belief and substantiate mine, and you don't like that - but nevertheless, they say what they say. Read them again and weep.

Not only did He include Gentiles but that HE GAVE THEM REPENTANCE, along
with the other verses I included that demonstrate repentance is only given by God, not man - apparently, you are unable to comprehend that.
 
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The LORD of Hosts has sworn: “Surely, as I have planned, so will it be; as I have purposed, so will it stand.” Isaiah 14 verse 24 The counsel of the LORD stands forever, the purposes of His heart to all generations. Psalm 33 verse 11 Our God is in heaven; He does as He pleases. Psalm 115 verse 3 Many plans are in a man’s heart, but the purpose of the LORD will prevail. Proverbs 19 verse 21 In Him we were also chosen as God’s own, having been predestined according to the plan of Him who works out everything by the counsel of His will. Ephesians 1 verse 11 And we know that God works all things together for the good of those who love Him, who are called according to His purpose. For those God foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brothers. And those He predestined, He also called; those He called, He also justified; those He justified, He also glorified. Romans 8 verses 28-30 For He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world to be holy and blameless in His presence. In love He predestined us for adoption as His sons through Jesus Christ, according to the good pleasure of His will. Ephesians 1 verses 4-5
This is why I refer to you as the lovely great mum of the saints 🤩

I knew you where chosen to be just that to lol.
 
There are two kinds of people in this world: The Wise and the Fools. The latter have no regard whatsoever for either your "foundational gospel" or your "advanced" spiritual truth; for they hate knowledge and wisdom. Your understanding of 1Cor 2:8 flies in the face of the macro context of the bible.

And you want a "specific point" re 1Cor 2? That's easy. All you have to do is answer this question: When the Jews and Gentiles brutally murdered Christ, how exactly would you spiritually characterize His murderers who had NO true spiritual understanding: As wise or foolish people?

More of your context = non sequitur and thus actual contextual wording = non sequitur. The non sequitur is what you post to deflect and redirect from the actual Scripture we're dealing with.

I don't write this for you even though I'll address you:

Ask yourself if Paul is talking about what he as a mature Christian knows at the point of writing 1Cor about 25 years post-crucifixion vs. what everyone knew before Christ's crucifixion. Pre-crucifixion they knew the Gospel being proclaimed and evidenced by God with signs that Jesus is the long-awaited Messiah the Son of God. Some believed Him. Some rejected Him, including Paul until post-resurrection.

25 years post-crucifixion Paul has tremendous knowledge including advanced doctrinal understanding which he's talking about in this section of 1Cor2 and saying if the rulers of the time of Christ knew all of what Paul now knows, they would never have crucified Jesus.

Paul's looking back to that time with knowledge of things about the entirety of God's Plan - "the deep things of God" 1Cor2:10 - and the real person of Messiah and putting it all together and in effect saying, 'if they only knew.'

You can take some of this reality back to Acts2 and see how Peter with advancing knowledge - as God was continuing to unfold His Plan in history just 50 days post-resurrection - convinced some about what they had done in crucifying Jesus.

Context is not non-sequitur. Words are important. Paul beginning in 1Cor2:6 is dealing with advanced Christian doctrine well beyond the foundational message of the Gospel that Jesus is the Christ. That's the context of 1Cor2:8.
 
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More of your context = non sequitur and thus actual contextual wording = non sequitur. The non sequitur is what you post to deflect and redirect from the actual Scripture we're dealing with.

I don't write this for you even though I'll address you:

Ask yourself if Paul is talking about what he as a mature Christian knows at the point of writing 1Cor about 25 years post-crucifixion vs. what everyone knew before Christ's crucifixion. Pre-crucifixion they knew the Gospel being proclaimed and evidenced by God with signs that Jesus is the long-awaited Messiah the Son of God. Some believed Him. Some rejected Him, including Paul until post-resurrection.

25 years post-crucifixion Paul has tremendous knowledge including advanced doctrinal understanding which he's talking about in this section of 1Cor2 and saying if the rulers of the time of Christ knew all of what Paul now knows, they would never have crucified Jesus.

Paul's looking back to that time with knowledge of things about the entirety of God's Plan - "the deep things of God" 1Cor2:10 - and the real person of Messiah and putting it all together and in effect saying, 'if they only knew.'

You can take some of this reality back to Acts2 and see how Peter with advancing knowledge - as God was continuing to unfold His Plan in history just 50 days post-resurrection - convinced some about what they had done in crucifying Jesus.

Context is not non-sequitur. Words are important. Paul beginning in 1Cor2:6 is dealing with advanced Christian doctrine well beyond the foundational message of the Gospel that Jesus is the Christ. That's the context of 1Cor2:8.
Are you not completely in agreement in Paul's writings, ?

And that the reason you question other beliefs, well people faiths ?

Theres verses that say things that could imply many things like this one

Corinthians 1:25:
"For the foolishness of God is wiser than man's wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than man's strength".

Would you say paul is calling God foolish ?

Or could he saying people are calling God foolish ?

And so Paul is saying look even if you think God is foolish, his foolishness will still be wiser than you
 
Well the best one is God said to Abraham you will have descendants as numerous as the stars, I wonder how God knew that,

I can't recall God being somebody who guesses in scripture
God is not limited to time and space.

He knows the past, present, and future - simultaneously.

He has always been knowing the past, present, and future.
 
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God is not limited to time and space.

He knows the past, present, and future - simultaneously.

He has always been knowing the past, present, and future.
well I have an even better Idea Time is God himself 🤩

And God can do anything with it.
 
Are you not completely in agreement in Paul's writings, ?

And that the reason you question other beliefs, well people faiths ?

Theres verses that say things that could imply many things like this one

Corinthians 1:25:
"For the foolishness of God is wiser than man's wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than man's strength".

Would you say paul is calling God foolish ?

Or could he saying people are calling God foolish ?

And so Paul is saying look even if you think God is foolish, his foolishness will still be wiser than you

Your last sentence.

This is some of Paul's use of rhetoric, which he uses a lot and in places much more deeply than this.

I'm not sure what you're asking me in your first question. I agree with everything the Bible says when accurately interpreted.
 
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Your last sentence.

This is some of Paul's use of rhetoric, which he uses a lot and in places much more deeply than this.

I'm not sure what you're asking me in your first question. I agree with everything the Bible says when accurately interpreted.
lol Pauls rhetoric I bet that was loud 😂

It's all good just asking. Yep Paul's writing are definitely open to interpretation don't worry
 
lol Paul rhetoric I bet that was loud 😂

It's all good just asking. Yep Paul's writing are definitely open to interpretation don't worry

Even now some are just discovering more of how brilliant the Spirit filled Paul was and why he was chosen to deal with the joining of races and cultures into the Body of Christ. No worries on my part. Just enjoyment of the Word of God,
 
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Why can't it?

Because being spiritually alive is no guarantee of believing the word of God. Just ask Adam. The issue of acceptance or rejection is made from the soul therefore the soul must be revealed for what it is. When that revelation is made from a position of weakness (ie. a sinner) how much more glorious is that, hence the angels rejoice over the repentance of one sinner. :)
 
I think that a lot of the "Calvinists" here are (per @studier) "nepios-infant-child Christians".
But others are outright heretics looking for trouble IMO.

One thing is for sure, knowing about God by reading scripture or being taught is entirely different than knowing and being known by God.

Some have both, some have the first, but not the latter.
 
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