Are all the spiritual gifts still active today?
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You're asking the wrong question. You should be asking why there's never a way to objectively verify any of the so-called miracles. Only excuses.
Paul taught the gifts in his epistles. It is Bible - based theology, therefore I believe in them.
I answered a number of your questions and this is how you respond to my question?
With zzz's?
Yes :
faith is noun Belief is verb that produces action which produces works.
Preaching the gospel is done by faith unless you have seen the risen Lord?
You are witnessing to what you know Jesus did for you by faith are you not?
if the Gospel is not preached and your testimony not told how shall they be saved?
Paul states and asked that in Romans 10:9-14
9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him.
13 For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”
14 How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher?
faith is putting the word of GOD into Action. And God confirming HIS gospel with signs and wonders. Yes my faith in the Lord Jesus Christ and acting on HIS word will have one experience the presence of GOD and confirming of HIS word.
Well, if someone resurrected Charlie Kirk from his grave, I would be very impressed,
even convinced that a true miracle occurred!
"But let him ask in faith, with no doubting, for he who doubts is like a wave of the sea driven and tossed by the wind. For let not that man suppose that he will receive anything from the Lord" "Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. Faith is the substance of things hoped of the evidence of things not seen. "
Its written we walk by faith we live by faith. Its why we don't lean to our own understanding. We don't walk by how we feel or what we see. I can boldly say as long as we doubt we will not as He said get anything from Him. Like the song playing.. Get Behind Me. "
Devil, get behind me, run on home, Back to the grave where you belong. In case you forgot, let me tell you the truth, You're stuck under my blood-bought boots, Devil, get behind me, you've got no hold, I've been changed by the Holy Ghost.
About 18y old ..shared this the church had about 400 I found out 1/2 came with that woman up there that was screaming, crying, jumping up and down. All that preacher did was "in Jesus name". Satan can not heal can not deliver, set free anyone can not heal anyone. They did this to Jesus but He told them/us a kingdom divided against it's self will fall.
So that woman we all saw heard new eyes never made the paper or the news. There are countless healed and if you were there you would hear some say "now got to your doctor and show him". Many do and the bring back that info from the Doctor that has no clue why that sickness or even cancer is gone. Yes it happens all over America not as much as say Africa because over there they know the supernatural and simply believe. So not here to convince or debate you wanna doubt.. I won't be here.
Lol.. thinking when I got married. I had him read all the promises in Deut. Not because Word of Faith nor Baptist or you name it. Those are ours. Every promise in that book ..Hes GOD. To think God in say Isa 41:10 was only talking about that time not knowing in the future He was in fact talking to us. His words are not stuck in time they can not return to Him void. Since healing was talking about.. He said these signs shall follow them that believe. Them is not stuck in time. That is not just the 12.
in Mark 16:18 we read “… they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.” The word ‘shall’ does not mean might. It has been translated from a Greek word which means to have, to hold, to possess. The word ‘recover’ has been translated from a Greek word which means: well, good, recovering health. So we can literally translate this promise from scripture this way. “…they shall lay hands on the sick, and they (the sick) will have and possess recovering health.”
God is not the one holding healing back from us. Look at what He said in Exodus 15:26; “…I am the Lord that healeth thee.” And in Malachi 3:6 He declares “I am the Lord I change not.” James 1:5 says; “…(God) giveth to all men liberally…” And then in I John 4:8 we read where “…God is love.” And finally in 1 Corinthians 13:8 “Love never fails..” So God is the one who gives us healing, He never changes, and since He is love, and love never fails, then God never fails to give us healing! We just read here that when a person believes and lays hands on the sick, the sick shall recover! The Bible didn’t say that they might recover, it says they SHALL recover.
Just read what He GOD in His word promised you. Don't go by what I say just read what He said stand on what He said don't do not put GOD on some time clock. Doubt comes.. say NO.. and speak what He said in His word. Don't allow doubt to get a foot hold. If it does..get up dust of keep believing. The recent one for me took 3 years. Every time that thought.. doubt popped up.. NO by His strips I was healed. I agred with.. and if two shall agree. Again not here to convince anyone debate anyone. This life hits all of us.. do I have to receive all of it? No.. Over the years year hear from different groups that some don't agree with the other yet saying "remember His promises" "keep your eyes on JESUS and stay in His word you will not be deceived." He is alive and well and always has kept His word
Its written we walk by faith we live by faith. Its why we don't lean to our own understanding. We don't walk by how we feel or what we see. I can boldly say as long as we doubt we will not as He said get anything from Him. Like the song playing.. Get Behind Me. "
Devil, get behind me, run on home, Back to the grave where you belong. In case you forgot, let me tell you the truth, You're stuck under my blood-bought boots, Devil, get behind me, you've got no hold, I've been changed by the Holy Ghost.
About 18y old ..shared this the church had about 400 I found out 1/2 came with that woman up there that was screaming, crying, jumping up and down. All that preacher did was "in Jesus name". Satan can not heal can not deliver, set free anyone can not heal anyone. They did this to Jesus but He told them/us a kingdom divided against it's self will fall.
So that woman we all saw heard new eyes never made the paper or the news. There are countless healed and if you were there you would hear some say "now got to your doctor and show him". Many do and the bring back that info from the Doctor that has no clue why that sickness or even cancer is gone. Yes it happens all over America not as much as say Africa because over there they know the supernatural and simply believe. So not here to convince or debate you wanna doubt.. I won't be here.
Lol.. thinking when I got married. I had him read all the promises in Deut. Not because Word of Faith nor Baptist or you name it. Those are ours. Every promise in that book ..Hes GOD. To think God in say Isa 41:10 was only talking about that time not knowing in the future He was in fact talking to us. His words are not stuck in time they can not return to Him void. Since healing was talking about.. He said these signs shall follow them that believe. Them is not stuck in time. That is not just the 12.
in Mark 16:18 we read “… they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.” The word ‘shall’ does not mean might. It has been translated from a Greek word which means to have, to hold, to possess. The word ‘recover’ has been translated from a Greek word which means: well, good, recovering health. So we can literally translate this promise from scripture this way. “…they shall lay hands on the sick, and they (the sick) will have and possess recovering health.”
God is not the one holding healing back from us. Look at what He said in Exodus 15:26; “…I am the Lord that healeth thee.” And in Malachi 3:6 He declares “I am the Lord I change not.” James 1:5 says; “…(God) giveth to all men liberally…” And then in I John 4:8 we read where “…God is love.” And finally in 1 Corinthians 13:8 “Love never fails..” So God is the one who gives us healing, He never changes, and since He is love, and love never fails, then God never fails to give us healing! We just read here that when a person believes and lays hands on the sick, the sick shall recover! The Bible didn’t say that they might recover, it says they SHALL recover.
Just read what He GOD in His word promised you. Don't go by what I say just read what He said stand on what He said don't do not put GOD on some time clock. Doubt comes.. say NO.. and speak what He said in His word. Don't allow doubt to get a foot hold. If it does..get up dust of keep believing. The recent one for me took 3 years. Every time that thought.. doubt popped up.. NO by His strips I was healed. I agred with.. and if two shall agree. Again not here to convince anyone debate anyone. This life hits all of us.. do I have to receive all of it? No.. Over the years year hear from different groups that some don't agree with the other yet saying "remember His promises" "keep your eyes on JESUS and stay in His word you will not be deceived." He is alive and well and always has kept His word
Paul most certainly did teach of the physical supernatural manifestations but you err to imply that Paul taught these manifestations were happening without actual proof of their existence.
In other words, Paul would be the first to call out the gibberish that is being labeled as New Testament tongues today.
So, you're anti-gifts, and now anti-Pauline epistles. I see no further reason to converse with you or those that troll in your circles.
May you one day see the light. We're done here.
My disagreeing with you does not equal me being "anti-gifts" or "anti-Pauline epistles".
Your reasoning is like most Pentecostals, willfully ignorant.
Gods Word says the Holy Spirit will be poured out at the end, and repeats it for us to see, and goes over the many who will receive it..
It is you who is asserting that modern day claims of tongues being the same physical supernatural manifestations of the Holy Spirit as were practiced during the 1st Century.
Either show evidence of your assertions or fold.
The 1st Century practitioners of tongues showed evidence, those of today just babble.
They simply mock the Holy Spirit with their silly claims.
Yes. Incoherent, chaotic, nonsensical babbling that no-one understands nor interprets, contrary to biblical principles as found in 1 Cor. I witnessed this first hand when I visited a penecostal assembly of God many, many, years ago when I was searching for truth before I became a Christian.
Matthew 12:31-32
31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
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If you mean supernatural, miraculous spiritual gifts that the apostles and some of the early Christians had, I have yet to see anyone today have them.
Is there another verse where it teaches how one receives the miraculous, supernatural, spiritual gifts from the Spirit in a different way other than what the Bible teaches (Acts 8, 19, 1 Cor. 12:11)? Is there another verse where it teaches they were for a different purpose when the purpose has already been confirmed (Mk. 16:20; Heb. 2:1-4), delivered (Jude 1:3), and thus the church doesn’t need them for edification today (1 Cor. 14:3-26)? Answer those questions, and you’ve answered your own question.
Is there another verse where it teaches how one receives the miraculous, supernatural, spiritual gifts from the Spirit in a different way other than what the Bible teaches (Acts 8, 19, 1 Cor. 12:11)? Is there another verse where it teaches they were for a different purpose when the purpose has already been confirmed (Mk. 16:20; Heb. 2:1-4), delivered (Jude 1:3), and thus the church doesn’t need them for edification today (1 Cor. 14:3-26)? Answer those questions, and you’ve answered your own question.
I use Scripture Only and the power of the Holy Spirit has no limitations.
1 Corinthians 4:20
For the kingdom of God does not consist in words but in power.
That verse means what it says.
I am not asserting anything. Your modern day liberal theology where you can't prove by the word of God that the gifts of the Holy Spirit are not for today.
1Corthians chapter 12 through 14 are still relevant and you not witnessing to the works of the Holy Spirit doesn't mean its not for today. Call it modern tongues and ask for evidence of what The Holy Spirit does.
You have presented nothing more than your opinion based on your own lack of experience.
1corthians chapter 12 through 14 teaches the gifts of the Holy Spirit and the book of Acts established the experience repeatedly. You keep asking for proof and you suggest one is mocking then Holy Spirit when it is you. Show me in the Bible where its not for today. IF you can't then it is you who mocks and scoffs. Your bad experiences are not proof the legitimate and authenticate do not happen.
I have seen and experienced this wonder gift an many others. As everything with GOD faith is involved.
You name call and and act immature but lack Biblical refuting. It make you feel good about yourself so please continue.
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