Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[Magenta]

Well I only vaguely even remember the post so on one hand I hear they were talking about a different
God and on the other it was just an attempt to avoid being wrong. pretty opposite point of views

Mary's permission was not asked. She was informed. cv5 claimed if that was so then God raped Mary.

It had nothing to do with anything else, aside from cv5 refusing to admit what Scripture plainly states.

He prefers to rewrite it, and blaspheme God, than admit he was wrong. Mary was not asked.

 

[Blain]

Mary's permission was not asked. She was informed. cv5 claimed if that was so then God raped Mary.

It had nothing to do with anything else, aside from cv5 refusing to admit what Scripture plainly states.

He prefers to rewrite it, and blaspheme God, than admit he was wrong. Mary was not asked.

Yikes, if that is the case then yeah that is blaspheme but I also would like to hear @cv5 point of view about this maybe they can clarify things because as it is this seems pretty straight forwards as blaspheme

Of course it is in the past and I would not holf anything against them for a mistake they made in the past but yeah it would appear that this was not talking about any other God

 

[HeIsHere]

You speak of the Calvinist god but don't the calvanists also believe in or at least they think they believe in the same God as us?

Of course, no one is going to accept it there isn't some truth, that is why it is so deceptive.

 

[Magenta]

Yikes, if that is the case then yeah that is blaspheme but I also would like to hear @cv5 point of view
about this maybe they can clarify things because as it is this seems pretty straight forwards as blaspheme

Of course it is in the past and I would not holf anything against them for a mistake they made
in the past but yeah it would appear that this was not talking about any other God

Blain, when someone repeatedly refuses to admit they are wrong and prefers to blaspheme God than
do so it is not merely making a mistake. He has a long history of this type of behaviour and goes into
overdrive condemning the person who offers correction rather than admitting any error on his part.

Do you really expect the truth from such a person?

That is something I would be more inclined to call a mistake.

 

[Rufus]

Setting your ad hominem and reframing aside, I’ve been clear: I reject determinism, and I affirm that Scripture presents fallen people as genuinely able to choose Christ when the gospel is proclaimed and the Spirit convicts.

Did God determine your existence? Has God determined the number of years you will live? Has he determined the number of hairs on your head? Did he determine where you would be born? And who your parents would be, etc., etc., etc.? So, when you reject election (which you and your ilk pejoratively call "determinism", you are actually rejecting the biblical doctrine of election and the efficacy of God's grace AND...Natural Revelation, as well. For your info, Natural Revelation squares quite well with Special Revelation, as I have just shown.

But back to the question that you still haven't answered. Since you don't believe in the efficacy of God's saving grace, then you ultimately must believe in Libertinism because something or someone has to effectuate a sinner's choice to believe the gospel and repent of his sins. And you have admitted in the past that the ultimate difference between believers' and unbelievers' moral/spiritual choices are the volitions of those people themselves. Therefore, it is their will that must ultimately be efficacious -- which would make you a card-carrying believer in Libertinism.

Why do you find it so very hard to be honest and transparent?

And by the way, for your info....no one can choose to believe the gospel unless God has instilled into their wills (oops...my bad...meant to say HEARTS) the Fear of the Lord which He promised to do for only his covenant people.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

Mary's permission was not asked. She was informed.

Mary submitted to the "information" ...

Luke 1:38 And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her.

amazing young woman ... not that I'm a marist ... I just love reading the Scriptures and seeing the records concerning those who actually do submit humbly to God.
.

 

[Cameron143]

God manifesting Himself or hearing the Gospel preached or consciousness or God telling Moses directly or ...

Those who were given the choice of life or death were those under the law. The choice was to follow the terms of the covenant and prosper and live or don't and languish and die. The choice wasn't concerning salvation.

 

[HeIsHere]

Yikes, if that is the case then yeah that is blaspheme but I also would like to hear @cv5 point of view about this maybe they can clarify things because as it is this seems pretty straight forwards as blaspheme

Of course it is in the past and I would not holf anything against them for a mistake they made in the past but yeah it would appear that this was not talking about any other God

Mary had a choice it was affirmative, see Luke 1:38

 

[Blain]

Of course, no one is going to accept it there isn't some truth, that is why it is so deceptive.

So what seperates their god from ours?

 

[Rufus]

The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

The word translated "cannot" in Freewillease lingo = "can". Like the evil one, they turn everything upside down. They call good evil, evil good, bitter sweet, sweet bitter, etc. WOE unto them!

I'm surprised our resident Gr. scholar has written an 11-page word salad to prove that "cannot" doesn't really mean what the dictionary says or what the Gr. word means.

 

[Magenta]

Mary had a choice it was affirmative, see Luke 1:38

She agreed which is not to say she was asked which was the point of contention even if you try to
cloud the issue with your worthless contribution, but you do like to support the man who claims
God raped Mary and is an unjust tyrant kidnapping people against their will if He acts unilaterally.

You should have an applause track you can play after every time he posts...

I would give you one but I do not want to help the devil.

 

[Blain]

Blain, when someone repeatedly refuses to admit they are wrong and prefers to blaspheme God than
do so it is not merely making a mistake. He has a long history of this type of behaviour and goes into
overdrive condemning the person who offers correction rather than admitting any error on his part.

Do you really expect the truth from such a person?

That is something I would be more inclined to call a mistake.

Yes I suppose you have a point

 

[Blain]

Mary had a choice it was affirmative, see Luke 1:38

This seems more like her agreeing with what was told to her rather than making a choice

 

[HeIsHere]

So what seperates their god from ours?

Their god leaves people in their sins with no hope for salvation in this life or the next.

 

[HeIsHere]

This seems more like her agreeing with what was told to her rather than making a choice

Is it a choice to agree?

 

[Magenta]

This seems more like her agreeing with what was told to her rather than making a choice

Exactly and the points remains, Mary was not asked. How cv5 can make the despicable claims he does is beyond the pale.

 

[Magenta]

Is that not a choice?

How does it make that she was informed into saying she was asked?

Mary was not asked.

 

[Magenta]

Their god leaves people in their sins with no hope for salvation in this life or the next.

God rescued me from my sins. Are you still in your sins? I am not surprised. According to you, God is unfair.

Matthew 11 verse 27 ~ All things have been entrusted to Me by My Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal Him.

 

[Rufus]

that does not negate the fact that God tells us mankind can know good and evil. You focus on the knowledge of evil but never consider the knowledge of good ... which God Himself tells us exists within mankind (Gen 3:22).

why do you think God allowed that attribute to remain within mankind? ... maybe ... just maybe there's more to what remained within mankind after the fall than what you allow ... we know the fall was no surprise to God ... what "good" did God place within mankind when He created, formed, made mankind that would remain after the fall so mankind had the capacity to respond affirmatively when God reaches out* ??? ... and that statement in no way suggests that mankind can save himself ... I fully acknowledge that salvation is wholly of God by grace through faith

*disclosure ... to include whatever additional objections/requirements you may have concerning this issue
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Could you possibly write something more absurd and illogical than what I bolded above!? How can anyone know what evil is apart from knowing what good is!? Since we're free moral agents created in God's image, God has instilled innately into every man's heart the knowledge of good and evil. But what He hasn't instilled into every moral creature's heart is his efficacious grace to believe the gospel and to repent of sin.

And there is no good in man. Jesus said so. Only God is good. Man is evil.

 

[Kroogz]

Mary's permission was not asked. She was informed. cv5 claimed if that was so then God raped Mary.

It had nothing to do with anything else, aside from cv5 refusing to admit what Scripture plainly states.

He prefers to rewrite it, and blaspheme God, than admit he was wrong. Mary was not asked.

I am not asking, I am informing you.

That would be a life sentence here in the States.....Well, it used to be.