Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[GWH]

Your copy and paste must have glitched.

One can always hope!
(Shucks! You beat me to the post :^)

 

[Kroogz]

Christ says to His Father, in John 17:25 “…the world hath not known Thee…” Does He mean that not one individual has ever known God? Certainly not!

World~~The cosmic system.

World~~ Mankind

Two very distinct CONTEXT related meanings.

According to the calvies, He died for the world(His special elect) but He doesn't pray for the world.....See that?

 

[Kroogz]

If God's wrath over sin has been satisfied, what need is there of a second death in the Lake of Fire?

Deeds/human good/..........EVIL.

Sin is finished. This is why ALL can come to Him and trust in Him For their salvation.



Look around, ALL people have the opportunity for salvation. You don't need to be doomy and gloomy and think some can't be saved.

 

[Cameron143]

Deeds/human good/..........EVIL.

Sin is finished. This is why ALL can come to Him and trust in Him For their salvation.



Look around, ALL people have the opportunity for salvation. You don't need to be doomy and gloomy and think some can't be saved.

What are deeds but acts of sins or acts of righteousness?

You should look around. All people don't have access to the gospel. There are millions upon millions without access to the word of God. And I have shown you from history how large swaths of humanity never heard the gospel. How then do you say salvation has been made accessible to all? It's simply not true presently and hasn't been true throughout history.

 

[cv5]

All FWers, read and weep and wail and lament crocodile tears over the following passages I believe it was RDBD who vehemently objected to my thesis that God chose his elect in eternity and gave them his justifying grace also in eternity! And this implies that God's elect were always seen through the life and work of mankind's Federal Head -- Jesus Christ, which further implies that all of God's elect in HIS EYES were justified in eternity, having the righteousness of Christ imputed to them.

Eph 1:4
4 For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight.
NIV

Not only did he choose all his adopted children in eternity, but God also gave his justifying grace to the elect in eternity.

2 Tim 1:9
9 who has saved us and called us to a holy life — not because of anything we have done but because of his own purpose and grace. This grace was given us in Christ Jesus before the beginning of time...
NIV

And not only was this justifying grace give to God's chosen people in eternity, but it was promised to them in eternity!

Titus 1:2
2 a faith and knowledge resting on the hope of eternal life, which God, who does not lie, promised before the beginning of time...
NIV

And...the elect's names who have been recorded in the Book of Life before the foundation of the world did not, would not and could not worship the beast!

Rev 13:8
8 ...and all who dwell on earth will worship it, everyone whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb that was slain.
ESV

There you have it, folks. God chose his people, gave his justifying grace to them, and promised it to them -- all in eternity! This is how God gives his grace to the humble. All that grace comes through the elect's Federal Head who was a meek, mild, lowly, humble Servant of God. It's no wonder at all that scripture teaches that God qualifies his people for his inheritance (Col 1:12) and that it's by His doing that all the elect are in Christ Jesus (1Cor 1:30)! Ultimately, NONE of us are in Christ by exercising our "freewill".

No no really.
God is outside of time.
So a lot of the rhetoric thereof has Calvinists chasing their tail and barking furiously while missing the intended message.

 

[Magenta]

Christ says to His Father, in John 17:25 “…the world hath not known Thee…”
Does He mean that not one individual has ever known God? Certainly not!

Jesus' words in John 15 verse 19 and John 14 verse 17 ~ If you were of the world, it would love you as its own. Instead, the world hates you, because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. The world cannot receive Him, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him.

 

[cv5]

Look around, ALL people have the opportunity for salvation. You don't need to be doomy and gloomy and think some can't be saved.

Indeed the veil has been rent. And what is the cause of all this confusion then?

 

[cv5]

If man is born evil then God is to blame because the only thing we got from Adam was our flesh and the heart is a part of the soul, not the flesh. "All souls are mine" says the lord because He created them and He created them knowing neither good nor evil.

And then things changed. And then came the responsibility to CHOOSE the good.

[Gen 3:22 KJV] 22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

[Deu 30:15 KJV] 15 See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;

[Deu 30:19 KJV] 19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, [that] I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

 

[Genez]

Believe it or not. We are all going to be with each other after the nonsense we all must face in time ends.

 

[Genez]

Until you you mature spiritually, a good place for you is the cookie table.

Well... what ever works for you.

 

[Jordon]

Believe it or not. We are all going to be with each other after the nonsense we all must face in time ends.

not for me, and as for facing nonsense, no thanks I've had enough of yours already,

I can't understand why Cameron is even giving you the time the day, maybe he feels compelled to explain his faith.

But I personally wouldn't share my faith with you, as you demand people to give you answer as if your so much better than them, then I find the way in which you talk down to people extremely disrespectful, as if they where the dirt on the end of your shoe.

What gives you the right to treat people this way ?

Is it your upbringing or your culture ? Are you one of these I am lord of the house types ? Or you like to think you are.

Well you don't impress me, but maybe the devil is well pleased with you.

 

[cv5]

Well... what ever works for you.

Do you like Calvinist cookies? Cuz that's all they've got. Zero selection zero options.

Moses/burning bush = Calvinism?

People born with different natures = no free will?

Ridiculous.

 

[Jordon]

Do you like Calvinist cookies? Cuz that's all they've got. Zero selection zero options.

Moses/burning bush = Calvinism?

People born with different natures = no free will?

Ridiculous.

where in the bible is the burning bush = calvinism ?

What exactly does that mean

Are you too chums on the bases of insulting Calvinism,

Pretty sad really if that's how you make friends,

 

[HeIsHere]

Do you like Calvinist cookies? Cuz that's all they've got. Zero selection zero options.

Moses/burning bush = Calvinism?

People born with different natures = no free will?

Ridiculous.

Absolutely ridiculous agreed.

Those who adhere to the totally un-scriptural idea that a person is created by God to only deny the Gospel unless regenerated first (pricked ears, circumcised heart... etc.,) is firmly outside of the revealed word of God, because scripture makes the order very clear,

1) Believe in the Good News of Christ Jesus and willingly receive His free offer of salvation.
2) Regeneration

John 6:53
“I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you.”

John 6:57
“so the one who (1)feeds on me (2) will live because of me.”

 

[HeIsHere]

where in the bible is the burning bush = calvinism ?

What exactly does that mean

Are you too chums on the bases of insulting Calvinism,

Pretty sad really if that's how you make friends,

Do you adhere to Reformed theology?

 

[Kroogz]

Indeed the veil has been rent. And what is the cause of all this confusion then?

The angelic/Kingdom conflict.

 

[HeIsHere]

What are deeds but acts of sins or acts of righteousness?

You should look around. All people don't have access to the gospel. There are millions upon millions without access to the word of God. And I have shown you from history how large swaths of humanity never heard the gospel. How then do you say salvation has been made accessible to all? It's simply not true presently and hasn't been true throughout history.

It is accessible to all seek, scripture says so (as opposed to the notion of those whom God has pre-selected which is not in the Bible).

 

[HeIsHere]

Suffice it to say without the regeneration prior to belief for the pre-selected being clearly stated in scripture and proven to be true by the adherents on this thread, the rest of the doctrine can be discarded.

Thank you for your attention to this matter!

 

[Cameron143]

It is accessible to all seek, scripture says so (as opposed to the notion of those whom God has pre-selected which is not in the Bible).

There are none who seek apart from the grace of God. And you haven't shown anything I shared to be false.

 

[HeIsHere]

There are none who seek apart from the grace of God. And you haven't shown anything I shared to be false.

Regeneration does not precede belief, not in the scripture and you have shown it.