The Kerygma - God's Requirement for Salvation

[Ouch]

Ok, You went into a greek english Interliniar. good for you

Now can you look up those words and actually iunterpret them as written

Because this does not show the meanings or format of the words given

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3. questions you seen to have over looked.

1. Spirit batism washs away our sins.
2. It's called washing of regeneration.
3. We are born again by looking to the cross in faith and recieving his gift

Prove them with HIS word or it's a lie.[/QUOTE]
Are you the latest water baptism troll to come in and try to school all of us

I answered your questions.

I asked you multiple questions now multiple times. Either answer them and prove you are really here to discuss the word with an open heart. Or continue to ignore them, and act this way, , or I will put you with the rest of the trolls.[/QUOTE]

Are these the questions you want me to answer? Is there more?

So Jesus died for nothing?

and you did not show me the word baptize in John 3.. why not? Also. can you please respond to the many verses I gacve you twice now?

I have no peoblems answering questions I thought you were just trying to educate me with your toughts.

I will be replys to all when I know that was your only 2?

Any chance you can elaborate more with the specific scriptures to back up what you say?

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

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3. questions you seen to have over looked.

1. Spirit batism washs away our sins.
2. It's called washing of regeneration.
3. We are born again by looking to the cross in faith and recieving his gift

Prove them with HIS word or it's a lie.

Are you the latest water baptism troll to come in and try to school all of us

I answered your questions.

I asked you multiple questions now multiple times. Either answer them and prove you are really here to discuss the word with an open heart. Or continue to ignore them, and act this way, , or I will put you with the rest of the trolls.[/QUOTE]

Are these the questions you want me to answer? Is there more?

So Jesus died for nothing?

and you did not show me the word baptize in John 3.. why not? Also. can you please respond to the many verses I gacve you twice now?

I have no peoblems answering questions I thought you were just trying to educate me with your toughts.

I will be replys to all when I know that was your only 2?

Any chance you can elaborate more with the specific scriptures to back up what you say?[/QUOTE]
1. Learn how to quote This comment is so messed up I can not tell what is what.
2. I have answered your questions and commented on what you say multiple times
3. Answer my questions. or I am done.. you will have proven you are not someone I should seek guidance out for biblical things

 

[GWH]

Are you the latest water baptism troll to come in and try to school all of us

I answered your questions.

I asked you multiple questions now multiple times. Either answer them and prove you are really here to discuss the word with an open heart. Or continue to ignore them, and act this way, , or I will put you with the rest of the trolls.

Are these the questions you want me to answer? Is there more?

So Jesus died for nothing?

and you did not show me the word baptize in John 3.. why not? Also. can you please respond to the many verses I gacve you twice now?

I have no peoblems answering questions I thought you were just trying to educate me with your toughts.

I will be replys to all when I know that was your only 2?

Any chance you can elaborate more with the specific scriptures to back up what you say?[/QUOTE]
1. Learn how to quote This comment is so messed up I can not tell what is what.
2. I have answered your questions and commented on what you say multiple times
3. Answer my questions. or I am done.. you will have proven you are not someone I should seek guidance out for biblical things[/QUOTE]

Yes, Ouch! is what I call an "Actser", specializing in WB.
He began trolling in post #733 on p. 37 and I finally became bored with him in #989 on p.50.
So, good luck!

 

[Ouch]

Are these the questions you want me to answer? Is there more?

So Jesus died for nothing?

and you did not show me the word baptize in John 3.. why not? Also. can you please respond to the many verses I gacve you twice now?

I have no peoblems answering questions I thought you were just trying to educate me with your toughts.

I will be replys to all when I know that was your only 2?

Any chance you can elaborate more with the specific scriptures to back up what you say?

1. Learn how to quote This comment is so messed up I can not tell what is what.
2. I have answered your questions and commented on what you say multiple times
3. Answer my questions. or I am done.. you will have proven you are not someone I should seek guidance out for biblical things[/QUOTE]

Yes, Ouch! is what I call an "Actser", specializing in WB.
He began trolling in post #733 on p. 37 and I finally became bored with him in #989 on p.50.
So, good luck![/QUOTE]

LOL, it was you that could not back up your lies which ended our conversation.

You can pick up where we left off if you like.

 

[GWH]

1. Learn how to quote This comment is so messed up I can not tell what is what.
2. I have answered your questions and commented on what you say multiple times
3. Answer my questions. or I am done.. you will have proven you are not someone I should seek guidance out for biblical things

Yes, Ouch! is what I call an "Actser", specializing in WB.
He began trolling in post #733 on p. 37 and I finally became bored with him in #989 on p.50.
So, good luck![/QUOTE]

LOL, it was you that could not back up your lies which ended our conversation.

You can pick up where we left off if you like.[/QUOTE]

I became bored when I realized you were engaged in monologue rather than discussion,
but no hard feelings, because I learned some things from defending my views, which you ignore to this day/post--
I guess mainly viewing Paul's teaching in his epistles as foundational rather than events in Acts and
coining "Actsers" vs. Faithers.

 

[Ouch]

Are you the latest water baptism troll to come in and try to school all of us

I answered your questions.

I asked you multiple questions now multiple times. Either answer them and prove you are really here to discuss the word with an open heart. Or continue to ignore them, and act this way, , or I will put you with the rest of the trolls.

Are these the questions you want me to answer? Is there more?

So Jesus died for nothing?

and you did not show me the word baptize in John 3.. why not? Also. can you please respond to the many verses I gacve you twice now?

I have no peoblems answering questions I thought you were just trying to educate me with your toughts.

I will be replys to all when I know that was your only 2?

Any chance you can elaborate more with the specific scriptures to back up what you say?[/QUOTE]
1. Learn how to quote This comment is so messed up I can not tell what is what.
2. I have answered your questions and commented on what you say multiple times
3. Answer my questions. or I am done.. you will have proven you are not someone I should seek guidance out for biblical things[/QUOTE]

I am sorry for not answering your questions, the OLNY question I have is DID I?

If not I will try again, thank you.

"Gopd never decreed that, it is spirit baptism that washes sin, Called the washing of regeneration.."

The washing of regeneration of the HS? (titus 3) Yes..
Titus 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

Do you notice TWO different things being spoken of?
washing of regeneration, AND renewing of the Holy Ghost;

Is that the verse you are speaking of? It does NOT say what you say it says.

Paul was speaking to a friend he is speaking of how we should be better people and JESUS grace.


"and you did not show me the word baptize in John 3.. why not? Also. can you please respond to the many verses I gacve you twice now?"

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Later after that conversation.

John 3:22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.
23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.

You are right in John 3:5 the word water DOES NOT say baptism, what else could it mean since he was the one who orchestrated how to get rid of our sins using water to do it.
He also mentions we need to be filled with the Holy Ghost to Enter.

TWO different things.

"Which baptism is it. Spirit or water"
"Paul said there is one baptism.. it can not be both"

Acts 2:38-39
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

I think the confusion comes into play when John the baptist said this.
Luke 3:16 John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire:

Back to Acts 2:38-39 it's VERY clear there are TWO things,
1. baptized EVERYONE OF YOU in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins.
2. and YE shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is UNTO YOU, and to YOUR CHILDREN, and to ALL that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.


The spiritual circumcision's done without hands? Col 2 Yes.
Col 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

Col 2 When we are baptized in JESUS name that is when we are circumcised with out hands.

The baptism into his death, Him self and his body? yes.
Yes sir, when we are baptized we are baptized into his death.

All done by God.. Rom 6, 1 cor 12 and gal 3)
I did not go into all of this because I think you are saying it's all done by GOD and it is but we have to do something so I would rather you pick out specific verses PLEASE.

If you have more questions let me know, thank you.

 

[Ouch]

Yes, Ouch! is what I call an "Actser", specializing in WB.
He began trolling in post #733 on p. 37 and I finally became bored with him in #989 on p.50.
So, good luck!

LOL, it was you that could not back up your lies which ended our conversation.

You can pick up where we left off if you like.[/QUOTE]

I became bored when I realized you were engaged in monologue rather than discussion,
but no hard feelings, because I learned some things from defending my views, which you ignore to this day/post--
I guess mainly viewing Paul's teaching in his epistles as foundational rather than events in Acts and
coining "Actsers" vs. Faithers.[/QUOTE]

Yes, Ouch! is what I call an "Actser", specializing in WB.
He began trolling in post #733 on p. 37 and I finally became bored with him in #989 on p.50.
So, good luck!

LOL, it was you that could not back up your lies which ended our conversation.

You can pick up where we left off if you like.[/QUOTE]

I became bored when I realized you were engaged in monologue rather than discussion,
but no hard feelings, because I learned some things from defending my views, which you ignore to this day/post--
I guess mainly viewing Paul's teaching in his epistles as foundational rather than events in Acts and
coining "Actsers" vs. Faithers.[/QUOTE]

Pauls FOUNDATION is the book of Acts and so are his epistles, just because you don't like what the book of Acts says doens't mean it's trash.

The NJ started in Matthew 1:1 and ended in Revelations 22:21.

We have to use ALL of his word not just what suits you.

How can anyone have an intelligent conversation of GOD'S word if you going to with YOUR OPINION TRUMPS HIS WORD?

IF WE STICK to HIS WORD then we both have a rule book to follow.

IF your going to use your opinions and claim it to be true then I CAN'T FOLLOW because first I don't know your rule book and why talk about YOU AND ALL OF YOUR WISDOM?

Fyi Being filled with the spirit you will speak in tongues AND it DOES NOT REPACE how we get rid of our sins. Which there is only ONE WAY by being baptized in JESUS name.

You can call me a troll all you want, JESUS warns us JESUS discipe who speak evil of us.

Don't mean I'm perfect but I have been reborn ACCORDING to HIS WORD.

 

[Wansvic]

Yes, the cornerstone and foundation stone refer to the kerygma, but assuming we agree regarding the creed, I would like to discuss
other secondary issues with you, but perhaps it would be better for me to begin a new thread for that purpose, so I will submit it
soon and hope to see y'all there for the purpose of exploring how the saved should behave.
(And you thought discussing the creed stepped on toes! :^)

It doesn't matter how one behaves if they have not been born again. (John 3:3-23, Matt. 7:21-27)

 

[Buck]

When the jews asked Peter, "What shall we do to be saved?" He told them to repent, be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, and they would be filled with he Holy Ghost. He taught the same thing to the Samaritans and gentiles. In each case they believed, had faith, were baptized (by submersion and begin to live for Christ. We are saved by grace. For it was by God's grace he promised a Savior, by grace came to earth in the form of a man, died on the cross for our sins, rose again, cleans us of our sins when baptized, and fills us with his Spirit, and adopts us into his family. Now we live by faith, trusting and believing in his word. It is not complicated. He did everything for us.

 

[Ouch]

We obey the gospel by choosing to believe the gospel. Romans 10:16 - But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our report?”

*Not to be confused with action/works, which "follow."

How do you obey WITHOUT action or works?

 

[GWH]

When the jews asked Peter, "What shall we do to be saved?" He told them to repent, be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, and they would be filled with he Holy Ghost. He taught the same thing to the Samaritans and gentiles. In each case they believed, had faith, were baptized (by submersion and begin to live for Christ. We are saved by grace. For it was by God's grace he promised a Savior, by grace came to earth in the form of a man, died on the cross for our sins, rose again, cleans us of our sins when baptized, and fills us with his Spirit, and adopts us into his family. Now we live by faith, trusting and believing in his word. It is not complicated. He did everything for us.

The Gospel is simple, but TULIP perverts the Gospel and insults God's righteousness.

 

[mailmandan]

How do you obey WITHOUT action or works?

Read it again. Romans 10:16 - But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our report?” Again, we obey the gospel by choosing to believe the gospel by trusting in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation. (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) There is a difference between obeying the gospel by choosing to believe the gospel and accomplishing multiple acts of obedience/good works "afterwards." (Ephesians 2:10)

Just like there is a difference between doing God's will "in order to become" saved: John 6:40 - For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.

AND

Doing God's will "after" we have been saved: 1 Thessalonians 5:14 - Now we exhort you, brethren, warn those who are unruly, comfort the fainthearted, uphold the weak, be patient with all. 15 See that no one renders evil for evil to anyone, but always pursue what is good both for yourselves and for all. 16 Rejoice always, 17 pray without ceasing, 18 in everything give thanks; for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you. How do you obey in either sense without faith? (Hebrews 11:6)

 

[Ouch]

The Gospel is simple, but TULIP perverts the Gospel and insults God's righteousness.

It's is, but when people add their personal oppinons of what HIS word says which could lead people away from HIS word then it's just confusing.

Your all PUFFED up and sure like pointing your fingers.

I don't know if TULIP pervets the Gospel BUT I KNOW YOU DO.

We have ONE rule book, it does not need people oppinos to make it right.

I would not what to be that person when they stand if front of JESUS.

GHW do you remember making these two statments?

1. Spirit baptism replaced water baptism.
2. When you get filled with the spirit you get love.

Did I say them right?

I remember what I told you, if you can't back them up they were a lie from Satan.

I also know you never backed them up with HIS word.

Did you ever tell me how we get rid of our sins?

If you haven't you need to Repent, get baptized in JESUS name and pray for JESUS to fill you with HIS SPIRIT. It will change your life.

 

[Ouch]

Read it again. Romans 10:16 - But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our report?” Again, we obey the gospel by choosing to believe the gospel by trusting in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation. (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) There is a difference between obeying the gospel by choosing to believe the gospel and accomplishing multiple acts of obedience/good works "afterwards." (Ephesians 2:10)

Just like there is a difference between doing God's will "in order to become" saved: John 6:40 - For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.

AND

Doing God's will "after" we have been saved: 1 Thessalonians 5:14 - Now we exhort you, brethren, warn those who are unruly, comfort the fainthearted, uphold the weak, be patient with all. 15 See that no one renders evil for evil to anyone, but always pursue what is good both for yourselves and for all. 16 Rejoice always, 17 pray without ceasing, 18 in everything give thanks; for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you. How do you obey in either sense without faith? (Hebrews 11:6)

Romans 10:16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?

Have YOU obeyed it?

1 Corinthians 15:1-4
15 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

What is the gospel that was preached that you were saved by??
Was you there when Paul preached that message since he is speaking to his church?

Have YOU obeyed it?

John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Believe on HIM or and EVERYTHING he said we must do to be saved?

The "gospel" the good news of Jesus Christ's life, death, and resurrection, which offers salvation to humanity.

This is the first message on how to take advantage of what JESUS did.
Acts 2:38-39
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

How do you know you are saved?

How can you be saved WITHOUT actions?

Without action you can't get rid of your sins!

If you are in sin you can't be saved!

 

[mailmandan]

What is it with people who fail to at least try to study, or listen to others to see if maybe they have something?

Again, The greek does not say this.

repent is a 2nd person plural word (Metanoesate)

so paul essentially told everyone there to repent. and if they do they will recieve the gift of the Holy SPirit (also second person plural)

he also told some to be baptized - (Baptistheto) (third person singular) on account of they had recieved remission of sin (eis can mean in order to recieved or on account you have already recieved) which completes the third person singular phrase.

It was shown more clear in the old english.. When it says and peter say Repent YE (Plural form of you) and let every one of YOU (singular version)

Greek scholar AT Robertson stated: Change of number from plural to singular and of person from second to third. This change marks a break in the thought here that the English translation does not preserve. The first thing to do is make a radical and complete change of heart and life. Then let each one be baptized after this change has taken place, and the act of baptism be performed “in the name of Jesus Christ” (εν τωι ονοματι Ιησου Χριστου — en tōi onomati Iēsou Christou).

Greek scholar A. T. Robertson authored Word Pictures in the New Testament. In his comments on Acts 2:38 he said, - “One will decide the use here according as he believes that baptism is essential to the remission of sins or not. "My view is decidedly against the idea that Peter, Paul, or any one in the New Testament taught baptism as essential to the remission of sins or the means of securing such remission. So I understand Peter to be urging baptism on each of them who had already turned (repented) and for it to be done in the name of Jesus Christ on the basis of the forgiveness of sins which they had already received.” The illustrations of both usages are numerous in the N.T. and the Koin, generally (Robertson, Grammar, page 592).

Acts 2 - Robertson's Word Pictures in the New Testament - Bible Commentaries - StudyLight.org

Greek scholar E Calvin Beisner said something similar - In short, the most precise English translation of the relevant clauses, arranging them to reflect the switches in person and number of the verbs, would be, “You (plural) repent for the forgiveness of your (plural) sins, and let each one (singular) of you be baptized (singular)….” Or, to adopt our Southern dialect again, “Y’all repent for the forgiveness of y’all’s sins, and let each one of you be baptized….”

When I showed this translation to the late Julius Mantey, one of the foremost Greek grammarians of the twentieth century and co-author of A Manual Grammar of the Greek New Testament (originally published in 1927), he approved and even signed his name next to it in the margin of my Greek New Testament. These arguments, lexical and grammatical, stand independently. Even if one rejects both lexical meanings of for, he still must face the grammatical argument, and even if he rejects the grammatical conclusion, he still must face the lexical argument. Does Acts 2:38 prove baptismal remission? No, it doesn’t even support it as part of a cumulative case. — E. Calvin Beisner

http://www.equip.org/PDF/JAA238.pdf

Either way, In no placed did Peter say in this passage to be baptized in water so you may recieve remission of sin

Lol. You do not know languages ver well do you. Even in english as written it would not make sense ising 2nd and thrd person singular and plural verbs.

It would say somethign like every one of you repent. and let THEM be baptized.

When properly harmonizing scripture with scripture we can see that faith in Jesus Christ "implied in genuine repentance" (rather than water baptism) brings the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit. (Luke 24:47; Acts 2:38; 3:19; 5:31; 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 15:7-9; 16:31; 26:18) *Perfect Harmony*

Luke 24:47 - and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
Acts 3:19 - Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord. Water baptism is not the basis or means by which we obtain remission of sins in Acts 2:38.
Acts 5:31 - Him God has exalted to His right hand to be Prince and Savior, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins.
Acts 10:43 - Of Him all the prophets bear witness that through His name everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins.
Acts 11:17 - If therefore God gave them the same gift (Holy Spirit) as He gave us when we believed on the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I that I could withstand God?” 18 When they heard these things they became silent; and they glorified God, saying, “Then God has also granted to the Gentiles repentance unto life.”
Acts 13:38 - Therefore, let it be known to you, brethren, that through this Man is preached to you the forgiveness of sins; 39 and by Him everyone who believes is justified from all things from which you could not be justified by the law of Moses.
Acts 15:7 - And when there had been much dispute, Peter rose up and said to them: “Men and brethren, you know that a good while ago God chose among us, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe. 8 So God, who knows the heart, acknowledged them by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He did to us, 9 and made no distinction between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
Acts 16:30 - And he brought them out and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” 31 So they said, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household.”
Acts 26:18 - to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me. *What happened to baptism? *Hermeneutics. Once again, false religion turns symbols and shadows of salvation into the substance and the source.

wow. I mean really

Which baptism is it. Spirit or water

Paul said there is one baptism.. it can not be both

and you did not show me the word baptize in John 3.. why not? Also. can you please respond to the many verses I gacve you twice now?

There is only one baptism that places us into the body of Christ and that is Spirit baptism and not water baptism.

Ephesians 4:5 - one Lord, one faith, one baptism.

1 Corinthians 12:13 - For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body--whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free--and have all been made to drink into one Spirit. *Also see John 4:10,14; 7:37-39 for the word drink(s) and see the connection with the Holy Spirit.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Are these the questions you want me to answer? Is there more?

So Jesus died for nothing?

and you did not show me the word baptize in John 3.. why not? Also. can you please respond to the many verses I gacve you twice now?

I have no peoblems answering questions I thought you were just trying to educate me with your toughts.

I will be replys to all when I know that was your only 2?

Any chance you can elaborate more with the specific scriptures to back up what you say?
1. Learn how to quote This comment is so messed up I can not tell what is what.
2. I have answered your questions and commented on what you say multiple times
3. Answer my questions. or I am done.. you will have proven you are not someone I should seek guidance out for biblical things

I am sorry for not answering your questions, the OLNY question I have is DID I?

If not I will try again, thank you.

"Gopd never decreed that, it is spirit baptism that washes sin, Called the washing of regeneration.."

The washing of regeneration of the HS? (titus 3) Yes..
Titus 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

Do you notice TWO different things being spoken of?
washing of regeneration, AND renewing of the Holy Ghost;

Is that the verse you are speaking of? It does NOT say what you say it says.

Paul was speaking to a friend he is speaking of how we should be better people and JESUS grace.

How we should be better people?

4 But when the kindness and the love of God our Savior toward man appeared, 5 not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit,

So him saving us is telling us how to be better people?


6 whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7 that having been justified by His grace we should become heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

So Him talking about Christ being poured out on us as savior. and how we were justified by his grace is telling us how to be better people?

Come on man

He said in plain words.

NOT BY GOOD DEAEDS WE HAVE DONE (like water baptism) BUT BY HIS MERCY HE SAVED US.

How did he save Us?

1. By the WASHING OF REGENERATION (we who were dead. have been made alive)
2. Renewal - new birth born again
3. of who? The HS..

We have been justified by grace.. Same as eph 3.. No water baptism is involved

"and you did not show me the word baptize in John 3.. why not? Also. can you please respond to the many verses I gacve you twice now?"

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Later after that conversation.

John 3:22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.
23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.

See you did the same mistake all water regeneration people make. You went again. The bible was not written in verse or chapter form. man did this years later.

I asked you in the conversation Jesus had with Nicodemus to show me the word.

You have still failed to do it. The baptism in vs 22 has no bearing on john 3 and being born again

You are right in John 3:5 the word water DOES NOT say baptism, what else could it mean since he was the one who orchestrated how to get rid of our sins using water to do it.
He also mentions we need to be filled with the Holy Ghost to Enter.

No. He told us how to be born again in vs 10 - 18.. again can you show me the word baptize in Jesus command to show Nicodemus how to be born again?

TWO different things.

"Which baptism is it. Spirit or water"
"Paul said there is one baptism.. it can not be both"

Acts 2:38-39
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

I think the confusion comes into play when John the baptist said this.
Luke 3:16 John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire:

Back to Acts 2:38-39 it's VERY clear there are TWO things,
1. baptized EVERYONE OF YOU in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins.
2. and YE shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is UNTO YOU, and to YOUR CHILDREN, and to ALL that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

There is no confusion.

Peter told everyone to repent

He only told a select few to repent.

Again, to interpret this literally. it should say and Peter said everyone, them, repent. and ;let THEM be baptized....

The spiritual circumcision's done without hands? Col 2 Yes.
Col 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

Col 2 When we are baptized in JESUS name that is when we are circumcised with out hands.

No

God did not spiritually circumcize us when we were physically baptized.

It says buried with HIM in BAPTISM in the WORKING OF GOD Not the work of your pastor.

The baptism into his death, Him self and his body? yes.
Yes sir, when we are baptized we are baptized into his death.

All done by God.. Rom 6, 1 cor 12 and gal 3)

So your pastor baptized you into christs death. how did he do this considereing Christ died 2000 some odd years ago?

I did not go into all of this because I think you are saying it's all done by GOD and it is but we have to do something so I would rather you pick out specific verses PLEASE.

We have to do something? Says who?

If you have more questions let me know, thank you.

Oh I have many

 

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@Ouch please answer these questions In Blue

John 1: 11: 11 He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. 12. But AS MANY AS HAVE RECIEVED HIM, to THEM he gave the right to become children, even TO THEM WHO BELIEVE 13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Please show me the word baptism?

John 3, FOR God so loved the world he gave his only son that WHOEVER BELIEVES (trusts) in him will NEVER PERISH, and LIVE FOREVER (eternal life) for the son was not sent to judge, but that the world might be saved, he who BELIEVES is NOT CONDEMNED, he who does not believe is condemned already

Please show me the word baptism?

John 4: 13 Jesus answered and said to her, “Whoever drinks of this water will thirst again, 14 but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will NEVER THIRST. But the water that I shall give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up into EVERLASTING LIFE”

Please show me the word baptism?

John 5: 24 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he whoever HEARS MY WORD and BELIEVES IN HIM WHO SENT ME who sent Me HAS ETERNAL LIFE and SHALL NOT COME INTO JUDGMENT but HAS PASSED FROM DEATH TO LIFE (No works)

Please show me the word baptism?

John 6:

35 And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. HE WHO COMES TO ME shall NEVER HUNGER and he who BELIEVES IN ME shall NEVER THIRST (NO WORKS)

37: and THE ONE WHO COMES TO ME I WILL BY NO MEANS CAST OUT 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, thatof all He has given Me I SHAL LOSE NOTHING, but SHOULD RAISE IT UP ON THE LAST DAY. 40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that EVERYONE WHO SEES AND BELIEVES IN HIM MAY HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE AND I WILL (NOT MIGHT) RAISE HIM ON THE LAST DAY (NO WORKS)

47 Most assuredly, I say to you, HE WHO BELIEVES IN ME HAS EVERLASTING LIFE. 48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and are dead. 50 This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that THAT ONE MAY EAT OF IT AND NOT DIE 51 am the living bread which came down from heaven. IF ANYONE EATS THIS BREAD HE WILL LIVE FOREVER (NO WORKS)

63 It is the SPIRIT WHO GIVES LIFE ; the flesh profits nothing. THE WORDS THAT I SPEAK to you ARE SPIRIT AND THEY ARE LIFE (SIGNIFYING THE BREAD FROM HEAVEN, THE FLESH AND BOOD ARE THE WORDS JESUS SPOKE. NOT THE PHYSICAL FOOD OR WORKS,)

Please show me the word baptism?

EPH 1: 13 In Him YOU ALSO TRUSTED , after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also ,HAVING BELIEVED YOU WERE SEALED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT OF PROMISE 14 who IS THE GAURANTEE OF OUR INHERITANCE until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.

Please show me the word baptism?

eph 2: 4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses,MADE US ALIVE together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and RAISED US UP TOGETHER , and MADE US SIT TOGETHER IN HEAVENLY PLACES 7 that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 For BY GRACE YOU HAVE BEEN SAVED (A COMPLETED ACTION) THROUGH FAITH , (AS MANY AS HAVE RECIEVED) and that NOT OF YOURSELVES ; it IS THE GIFT OF GOD, 9 NOT OF WORKS LEST ANYONE SHOULD BOAST (NO WORKS)

Please show me the word baptism?

rom 4: 3 For what does the Scripture say? “ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD AND HE ACOUNTED IT TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS.” 4 Now TO HIM WHO WORKS, THE WAGES ARE NOT COUNTED AS GRACE BUT DEBT (Works cancels out grace. and makes it a wage) 5 But TO HIM WHO DOES NOT WORK but BELIEVES ON HIM WHO JUSTIFIES THE UNGOLDY , his HIS FAITH IS ACCOUNTED FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS (AGAIN NO WORKS. PERIOD)

rom 4: 16 Therefore IT IF OF FAITH THAT IT MAY BE ACCORDING TO GRACE , so that THE PROMISE MAY BE SURE TO ALL THE SEED not only to those who are of the law, but also TO THOSE WHO ARE OF THE FAITH OF ABRAHAM , who is the father of us all (AGAIN, NO WORKS, IT IS OF GRACE THROUGH FAITH)

Rom 4: 23 Now it was not written for his sake alone that it was imputed to him, 24 but ALSO FOR US, IT SHALL BE IMPUTED TO US WHO BELIEVE IN HIM WHO RAISED UP JESUS OUR LORD FROM THE DEAD , 25 who was delivered up because of our offenses, and was RAISED BECAUSE OF OUR JUSTIFICATION (AGAIN NO WORKS)

Please show me the word baptism?

Rom 11: 6 And IF BY GRACE, THAN IT IS NO LONGER OF WORKS, ; otherwise GRACE IS NO LONGER GRACE.But IF IT IS OF WORKS, THEN IT IS NO LONGER OF GRACE. OTHERWISE WORK IS NO LONGER WORK (AS i HAVE SAID NUMEROUS TIME, GRACE + WORKS = WORKS.. GRACE AND WORKS CAN NOT MIX IN THE AREA OF SALVATION. ITS LIKE MIXING OIL AND WATER)

Please show me the word baptism?

2 Tim 1: 9 who HAS SAVED US (A COMPLETED ACTION) and called us with a holy calling, NOT ACCORDING TO OUR WORKS , but ACCORDING TO HIS OWN PURPOSE AND GRACE which was GIVEN US in Christ Jesus BEFORE TIME BEGAN (AGAIN, NO WORKS. BUT GRACE)

Please show me the word baptism?

Titus 3: 4 But when the kindness and the love of God our Savior toward man appeared, 5 NOT BY WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS (GOOD DEEDS) WHICH WE HAVE DONE , but ACCORDING TO HIS MERCY HE SAVED US through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, 6 whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7 that HAVING BEEN JUSTIFIED BY HIS GRACE we should become HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE HOPE OF ETERNAL LIFE
(AGAIN, NO QUESTION HERE. PAUL LEAVES NO QUESTION. NO GOOD DEED CAN SAVE US,. WE ARE SAVED BY GODS MERCY, AND GIVEN THE HOPE OF ETERNAL LIFE. WHICH IS PROMISED BEFORE TIME BEGAN

Titus 1: 2 in HOPE OF ETERNAL LIFE which GOD WHO CAN NOT LIE PROMISED BEFORE TIME BEGAN

this is what our faith is in, the grace and mercy of God. not our deeds.

Please show me the word baptism?

 

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Greek scholar AT Robertson stated: Change of number from plural to singular and of person from second to third. This change marks a break in the thought here that the English translation does not preserve. The first thing to do is make a radical and complete change of heart and life. Then let each one be baptized after this change has taken place, and the act of baptism be performed “in the name of Jesus Christ” (εν τωι ονοματι Ιησου Χριστου — en tōi onomati Iēsou Christou).

Greek scholar A. T. Robertson authored Word Pictures in the New Testament. In his comments on Acts 2:38 he said, - “One will decide the use here according as he believes that baptism is essential to the remission of sins or not. "My view is decidedly against the idea that Peter, Paul, or any one in the New Testament taught baptism as essential to the remission of sins or the means of securing such remission. So I understand Peter to be urging baptism on each of them who had already turned (repented) and for it to be done in the name of Jesus Christ on the basis of the forgiveness of sins which they had already received.” The illustrations of both usages are numerous in the N.T. and the Koin, generally (Robertson, Grammar, page 592).

Acts 2 - Robertson's Word Pictures in the New Testament - Bible Commentaries - StudyLight.org

Greek scholar E Calvin Beisner said something similar - In short, the most precise English translation of the relevant clauses, arranging them to reflect the switches in person and number of the verbs, would be, “You (plural) repent for the forgiveness of your (plural) sins, and let each one (singular) of you be baptized (singular)….” Or, to adopt our Southern dialect again, “Y’all repent for the forgiveness of y’all’s sins, and let each one of you be baptized….”

When I showed this translation to the late Julius Mantey, one of the foremost Greek grammarians of the twentieth century and co-author of A Manual Grammar of the Greek New Testament (originally published in 1927), he approved and even signed his name next to it in the margin of my Greek New Testament. These arguments, lexical and grammatical, stand independently. Even if one rejects both lexical meanings of for, he still must face the grammatical argument, and even if he rejects the grammatical conclusion, he still must face the lexical argument. Does Acts 2:38 prove baptismal remission? No, it doesn’t even support it as part of a cumulative case. — E. Calvin Beisner

http://www.equip.org/PDF/JAA238.pdf

When properly harmonizing scripture with scripture we can see that faith in Jesus Christ "implied in genuine repentance" (rather than water baptism) brings the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit. (Luke 24:47; Acts 2:38; 3:19; 5:31; 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 15:7-9; 16:31; 26:18) *Perfect Harmony*

Luke 24:47 - and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
Acts 3:19 - Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord. Water baptism is not the basis or means by which we obtain remission of sins in Acts 2:38.
Acts 5:31 - Him God has exalted to His right hand to be Prince and Savior, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins.
Acts 10:43 - Of Him all the prophets bear witness that through His name everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins.
Acts 11:17 - If therefore God gave them the same gift (Holy Spirit) as He gave us when we believed on the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I that I could withstand God?” 18 When they heard these things they became silent; and they glorified God, saying, “Then God has also granted to the Gentiles repentance unto life.”
Acts 13:38 - Therefore, let it be known to you, brethren, that through this Man is preached to you the forgiveness of sins; 39 and by Him everyone who believes is justified from all things from which you could not be justified by the law of Moses.
Acts 15:7 - And when there had been much dispute, Peter rose up and said to them: “Men and brethren, you know that a good while ago God chose among us, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe. 8 So God, who knows the heart, acknowledged them by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He did to us, 9 and made no distinction between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
Acts 16:30 - And he brought them out and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” 31 So they said, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household.”
Acts 26:18 - to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me. *What happened to baptism? *Hermeneutics. Once again, false religion turns symbols and shadows of salvation into the substance and the source.

There is only one baptism that places us into the body of Christ and that is Spirit baptism and not water baptism.

Ephesians 4:5 - one Lord, one faith, one baptism.

1 Corinthians 12:13 - For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body--whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free--and have all been made to drink into one Spirit. *Also see John 4:10,14; 7:37-39 for the word drink(s) and see the connection with the Holy Spirit.

not sure why people make this so difficult

 

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Romans 10:16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?

Have YOU obeyed it?

1 Corinthians 15:1-4
15 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

Absolutely! Romans 1:16 - For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek.

What is the gospel that was preached that you were saved by??

The gospel that you just cited in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4.

Was you there when Paul preached that message since he is speaking to his church?

No, I was here. I did not need to be in the presence of Paul when he preached it in order to believe it. What Paul preached is in God's Word and I believe it.

Have YOU obeyed it?

Yes I have by trusting in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of my salvation. Praise God!

John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Believe on HIM or and EVERYTHING he said we must do to be saved?

Are you trying to "add" to what Jesus said we must do in order to be saved in John 6:40? This also lines up with what Jesus said in John 3:15,16,18; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26. Simply BELIEVES.

The "gospel" the good news of Jesus Christ's life, death, and resurrection, which offers salvation to humanity.

Amen!

This is the first message on how to take advantage of what JESUS did.
Acts 2:38-39
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

How do you know you are saved?

How can you be saved WITHOUT actions?

Without action you can't get rid of your sins!

If you are in sin you can't be saved!

Instead of getting hung up on one or two pet verses in an effort to accommodate a biased church doctrine, you need to properly harmonize scripture with scripture before reaching your conclusion on doctrine.

In Acts 2:38, "for the remission of sins" does not refer back to both clauses, "you all repent" and "each one of you be baptized," but refers only to the first. Peter is saying "repent unto the remission of your sins," the same as in Acts 3:19. The clause "each one of you be baptized" is parenthetical. This is exactly what Acts 3:19 teaches except that Peter omits the parenthesis.

*Also compare the fact that these Gentiles in Acts 10:45 received the gift of the Holy Spirit (compare with Acts 2:38 - the gift of the Holy Spirit) and this was BEFORE water baptism. (Acts 10:47)

In Acts 10:43 we read ..whoever believes in Him receives remission of sins. Again, these Gentiles received the gift of the Holy Spirit - Acts 10:45 - when they believed on the Lord Jesus Christ - Acts 11:17 - (compare with Acts 16:31 - Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved) BEFORE water baptism - Acts 10:47. This is referred to as repentance unto life - Acts 11:18.

*So, the only logical conclusion when properly harmonizing scripture with scripture is that faith in Jesus Christ "implied in genuine repentance" (rather than water baptism) brings the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit. (Luke 24:47; Acts 2:38; 3:19; 5:31; 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 13:38-39; 15:7-9; 16:31; 26:18) *Perfect Harmony*

 

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John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Later after that conversation.

John 3:22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.
23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.

In regard to John 3:22, by this time Jesus' conversation with Nicodemus is over with and He has moved on. John 3:22 - After these things Jesus and His disciples came into the land of Judea, and there He was spending time with them and baptizing. Verse 22 is out of context with verse 5. What is still in context with verse 5 are verses 14-18.