Can We Really Exercise Free Will?
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What do you tell the person going to hell? What are your views on hell??? Augustinian?
Maybe, maybe not. Her constant screeching against God's sovereignty may prevent it.
So, when Jesus drove the money changers out of the temple, He was filled with joy, was He? Or when He drove out all the pagan nations from the Promised Land, He wasn't angry with them? Or how about when God drove/thrust/cast out Lucifer from heaven, that was His way of showing how pleased he was with the devil? Or when God drove out Cain from the land that was God's way of showing that child of the devil what a happy camper He was with him after he murdered Abel? Or when Pharaoh drove the ancient Hebrew slaves from his land that was the king's way of expressing his love for them? Or when the Israelites drove out the pagan nations from the Land, this was their way of expressing friendship and goodwill toward the occupants? Or when Jesus drove out demons from people, we're to believe those demons were really loving friends of the Lord? Or when Paul and his fellow evangelists were driven out of Thessalonica by Jewish enemies of the gospel, we're to believe they were just pretending to be enemies of the Cross of Christ, etc., etc.
"Conjecture" indeed! I suppose, next, you'll want cites or quotes to prove what I just wrote?
Since the focus of Gen 3:24 is on "THE MAN", there is no reasonable or logical way to conclude that Adam was not the object of God's displeasure, most especially since Eve is not even mentioned in the text which makes perfectly good sense since God had already reconciled her to Himself.
Well, you have a few of the 49 or so times the Hebrew word is used and a few of the 158 or so times the Greek word is used.
The worker in the Text knows there is a lot of work to do in defining and interpreting in context all uses before he decides what you're [very prematurely] deciding. Try Matt9:38 and Mark1:11-12, any anger there? Context, Rufus, context...
In context, I can tell you that some not only do not see anger in Gen3 but compassion from God in such things as clothing Adam and the woman and in foretelling of their and our Savior.
Lol. Tell that to your dog, cat, parrot, wife and kids. Or or Satan who is doing his own will 24/7.No, we cannot really exercise free will.
All exhibit true free will in their moment by moment existence. You may restrain your kids and pets, and God may restrain Satan.....but they are DEFINITELY free will creations.
Certainly. Satan got the judgement and prophecy of future wrath, Adam and the Woman got mercy and forgiveness and prophecy of the future Savior, by Him obtaining full reconciliation and restitution.
The super-determinists bash and insult Adam mercilessly just like they do the FW contingent BTW. The first man, who saw God's face, was made perfect, out-witted (and in a sense defeated) Satan, doubtless hyper-intelligent and extremely wise. Lived almost 1000 years. Knew every animal by name. And I mean EVERY animal by name. Not just "horsey" and "doggie" but "Bucephalus" and "Bowser" each and every one.
Start a new discussion on this topic and I will respond. I'm not going to hijack this one.
Atoned [Sin] only applies to someone, something that has Repented and Accepted the (Free Gift) offered by God.
Those in Hell can be explained in Romans 1 [(they rejected God)].
Rahab the Harlot actually sheds valuable light on this topic. She said that the kingdom of people she was born into and lived with [Jericho] had heard the >rumors\stories\tales\victories\accomplishments\power< of the Hebrew God. This alone made her ask the spies for help and be saved.
If Jericho, one of the most powerful kingdoms of that day knew about God, it's safe to believe that ALL other kingdoms had heard the same thing.
The difference between the rest of the citizens of Jericho and the other kingdoms from Rahab the Harlot is they chose to reject God. Rahab chose to acknowledge God and to become a follower of God. When the other kingdoms fell and were slaughtered they died rejecting God by choice.
They knew the same things about God that Rahab the Harlot knew. But they chose to do the very opposite of what Rahab the Harlot did which she Accepted God while they Rejected God. Just like Romans 1 explains [(these other kingdoms knew about God through Creation + God's Power and Victories)] but instead of acknowledging God for being God they Rejected God {just like Romans 1 explains}.
Ultimately, just like anyone from then on even until this very minute I post this. Should they choose to Reject God their Sins will not be forgiven. Therefore, they will sadly spend eternity away from God.
Easy. The King issued a blanket legally viable pardon and some persons CHOSE to ignore it or CHOSE to refuse it.
In other words some did not RECEIVE the pardon that was gifted to them in eternity past.
Jhn 1:12 - But as many as received G2983 him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
KJV Translation Count — Total: 263x
The KJV translates Strong's G2983 in the following manner: receive (133x), take (106x), have (3x), caught (3x), not translated (1x), miscellaneous (17x).
Outline of Biblical Usage
- to take
- to take with the hand, lay hold of, any person or thing in order to use it
- to take up a thing to be carried
- to take upon one's self
- to take in order to carry away
- without the notion of violence, i,e to remove, take away
- to take what is one's own, to take to one's self, to make one's own
- to claim, procure, for one's self
- to associate with one's self as companion, attendant
- of that which when taken is not let go, to seize, to lay hold of, apprehend
- to take by craft (our catch, used of hunters, fisherman, etc.), to circumvent one by fraud
- to take to one's self, lay hold upon, take possession of, i.e. to appropriate to one's self
- catch at, reach after, strive to obtain
- to take a thing due, to collect, gather (tribute)
- to claim, procure, for one's self
- to take
- to admit, receive
- to receive what is offered
- not to refuse or reject
- to receive a person, give him access to one's self,
- to regard any one's power, rank, external circumstances, and on that account to do some injustice or neglect something
- to take, to choose, select
- to take beginning, to prove anything, to make a trial of, to experience
- to take with the hand, lay hold of, any person or thing in order to use it
- to receive (what is given), to gain, get, obtain, to get back
God so loved the world....
That he gave us Calvinism.
So, that those in whom the Spirit bears witness to.
Will thank God and praise His name.
That He gave them the free volition to think and discern their error.
As to not waste time, but redeem it.
That he gave us Calvinism.
So, that those in whom the Spirit bears witness to.
Will thank God and praise His name.
That He gave them the free volition to think and discern their error.
As to not waste time, but redeem it.
No unbeliever will be condemned by any sin that Jesus already bore the punishment for.
If the price asked was met and accepted, there is atonement.
You owe $100. I go and pay your debt. The bank accepts the payment for your debt. Are you still in debt?