Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[reneweddaybyday]

Suppose when the Good Samaritan came across the half-dead crime victim laying on the road and he decided to do as the others before him did: Pass him by! Would this mean that the Good Samaritan was the cause of the man being a crime victim? Did the Good Samaritan make/force/coerce, compel the criminals to attack their victim?

You are manipulating the whole meaning of the parable in your desperate attempt to force Scripture to state something never intended by the Author.

A lawyer who wanted to justify himself asked Jesus "who is my neighbor". Jesus then told the parable of the good Samaritan and asked the lawyer "Which now of these three, thinkest thou, was neighbour unto him that fell among the thieves? " (Luke 10:36).

The lawyer answered "He that shewed mercy on him." (Luke 10:37).

Jesus answered "Go, and do thou likewise." (Luke 10:37).

Jesus did not correct the lawyer ... the lawyer answered correctly.

The parable is not a parable to use in explaining how a person believes unto salvation ... there is no mention of the gospel having been preached to the half dead man ... also, under your system, isn't natural man considered to be "dead" ... not just "half dead" as the injured man in the parable?

Likewise, man comes into this world spiritually dead due to our Federal Head Adam. God did not make/force/coerce or compel Adam to sin.

Why do you attribute sin to the injured man when it is wholly obvious from the parable that the perpetrators of sin were the "thieves, which stripped him of his raiment, and wounded him, and departed, leaving him half dead." (Luke 10:30).

God's holy, righteous, good nature requires Him to punish sin for justice and righteousness are the foundation to God's throne (Ps 97:2), ,

God's punishment for the sin inflicted on the half dead man is not explained in the parable ... because that is not the intent of the parable ... get a clue, man.

so if God chooses to leave people in their fallen, dead state and punish rather than forgive how does this make God evil, wicked, unjust, unfair, unrighteous, etc.?

What is "evil, wicked, unjust, unfair, unrighteous" is you comparing God to the priest and the levite, both of whom looked upon the fallen man, and crossed the other side (Luke 10:31-32).
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[Magenta]

Those that turn from the faith ...what do you make of that?

EXACTLY like a wife leaves the husband (marriage covenant), or visa viz.

I 100% understand osas and the salvation covenant.
For anyone to break that covenant is foolish.

Jesus said If you deny me before men I will deny you before my father.

Ok, so what does osass make of that? You can just go ahead and do it because once you're saved you're always saved?

So you do teach that people can lose their salvation? I did not ask if you understood it. Jesus also said that ALL those given to Him by the Father WOULD come to Him, and He would cast none out of those who came to Him. I was raised in a religious home and school system. I departed the faith. Did I belong in the first place? Lots of people depart the faith. It does not mean that those who left were saved. Scripture says those who depart show that they did not belong in the first place. People do not become unborn again.

If you are a Pelagian heretic, you will be called such. It does not necessarily mean you WILL blaspheme God, but quite a few of them here do, and maybe they actually do go hand-in-hand. They do all seem to have Calvinism derangement syndrome, despite the fact that what they screech about in regards to Calvinism is not taught exclusively in Calvinism, so their ignorance guides them in that regard, and they do not appear to be interested in being educated bacause then they would have to modify their views. And it does also strike me as very odd that the love God has for us should be denied in such a way as to consign His saving grace to be on a par with heinous criminal activity.

Some of these heretics speak of salvation as if God does it by coin-toss or lottery. That is completely unBiblical. They make claims such as, if God acts unilaterally, He is an unjust tyrannical monster kidnapping people against their free will. They say God is unfair to do the very thing Scripture shows Him doing from the beginning of the Bible to the very end. They kick and scream against His sovereignty and refuse to accept what Scripture actually says, always always always reading what they want into certain verses, if not rejecting them completely, rewriting them, contradicting, and outright denying what Scripture says. Some of the things they say are quite disgusting, like if God did not ask Mary's permission, God raped Mary, even though the Biblical record shows Mary being informed, not asked. Matters not. They cannot seem to help themselves. They come across as incapable just as Scripture says of the unregenerated. They refuse to accept that being enabled is not being forced. And you know, it is a tragedy within Christendom that people think because they can choose what colour of socks to wear, or what to have for lunch, that it throws over every single thing said of man in the Bible about his incurably wicked heart supressing the truth in unrighteousness and his inability to love God until set free by Christ and given a circumcised heart.

Pelagian heretics reject what the Bible says of man. He is not such a bad guy in their eyes. He is not a slave to sin, taken captive to do the will of the devil, blinded to truth, he is not unable to submit to God's law, he does not refuse to come into the light as a lover of darkness, not a God hater, he comprehends and chooses to believe that which Scripture says he can neither receive/accept nor comprehend, he is not opposed to the spiritual things of God, he is not a bad tree and he can bring forth the good fruit of faith, which Jesus says is impossible... well, the list gets longer the more time I am here. They conflate spiritual death with physical death and then claim they don't. They say they do not teach what they actually do, that the flesh, which according to Scripture serves the law of sin and brings forth fruit unto death, instead brings forth fruit unto life. The claim that man is born with everything he needs but then that gets contradicted along with much of what they say because their error is so gross it cannot hep but spill over and contaminate the rest of their thinking on this matter. They ascribe to the natural/unregenerated man abilities that only the spiritual/generated man is in possession of. Yes, a great tragedy.

Man’s heart is deceitful above all things and incurable (Jer 17 v 9), himself full of evil (Mark 7 v 21-23), loves darkness rather than light (John 3 v 19), cannot come to God on his own (John 6 v 44), does not seek for God (Rom 3 v 10-12), is helpless and ungodly (Rom 5 v 6), nothing good dwells in his flesh (Rom 7 v 18), is a slave of sin (Rom 6 v 20, John 8 v 34, 2 Tim 2 v 26), cannot receive spiritual things (1 Cor 2 v 14), is dead in his sins (Eph 2 v 1), is by nature a child of wrath (Eph 2 v 3), is at enmity with God (Eph 2 v 15), hostile to God and cannot submit to God's law (Rom 8 v 7), blinded by Satan (2 Cor 4 v 4), hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his evil deeds will be exposed (John 3 v 20). Therefore we rightfully conclude in accordance with the conditions described of the unregenerated man in Scripture that his inborn inclination is to reject God. Thanks be to God, Who appoints people to believe (Acts 13 v 48), chooses who is to be holy and blameless (Eph 1 v 4), predestines us to adoption (Eph 1 v 5), calls according to His purpose (2 Tim 1 v 9), chooses us for salvation (2 Thes 2 v 13), leads us to and grants us repentance (Rom 2 v 4, 2 Tim 2 v 24-25), grants the act of believing (Phil 1 v 29), works faith in the believer (John 6 v 28-29), causes us to be born again (1 Pet 1 v 3), born again not by our will, effort or desire but by His will and desire (John 1 v 12-13), grants that we come to Jesus (John 6 v 65), draws people to Himself (John 6 v 44), predestines us to salvation (Rom 8 v 29-30), and circumcises our heart (with the heart one believes [Rom 10 v 10]) as promised in Deut 30 v 6, all according to His purpose (Phil 2 v 13). The stony ground of man’s wicked heart is not good soil. A bad tree cannot bring forth good fruit. Jesus said so! (Matt 7 v 18 + 12 v 33; Luke 6 v 43). All this and more weighed against zero verses articulating the so-called “free will” of the natural man, which is a vain man-exalting philosophically based doctrine erroneously and egregiously elevated to Bible truth. Praise God and to His glory, what is impossible with man is possible with God.

 

[Magenta]

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Do you answer yes or no to these questions?

What Say You? ~ When Scripture says there are none good, does it mean some are good? When Scripture says we all fall short, does it mean there are some who meet God's standards? When Scripture says, "The natural man does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned..." Does it mean the natural man can understand the spiritual things of God? Does it mean he really can understand the gospel message even though it is heard as foolishness to him as Scriptures say? Is the natural man gifted with wisdom even though he has no fear of God, which is the beginning of wisdom? Will the lover of darkness come into the light even though Scripture says he will not, because he suppresses the truth of God in unrighteousness and is actually defined as darkness itself, hates the light, and is a slave to sin, blinded to the truth and captive to the will of the devil, which many define as being free? Is the heart of the natural man, the stony ground which needs to be replaced, fit for receiving and growing the Seed of God's Word into faith? Will that incurably wicked heart choose of its own accord to believe? Will that bad tree bring forth the good fruit of faith even though Jesus said it was not possible?

 

[Magenta]

There is no one who understands, no one who seeks God. All have turned away, they have together become worthless; there is no one who does good, not even one. For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit. For to set the mind on the flesh is death, but to set the mind on the Spirit is life and peace. For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God's law; indeed, it cannot. Those who are in the flesh cannot please God. God may perhaps grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth, and they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil, after being captured by him to do his will. Romans 3 verses 11-12; Romans 8 verses 5-8; 2 Timothy 2 verses 25-26

 

[Magenta]

"No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him." John 6 verse 44 The natural man does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God. For they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. 1 Corinthians 2 verse 14 For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God's law; indeed, it cannot. Those who are in the flesh cannot please God. Romans 8 verse 7-8

 

[HeIsHere]

You are manipulating the whole meaning of the parable in your desperate attempt to force Scripture to state something never intended by the Author.

I am truly shocked, c'est impossible!!

 

[Magenta]

Flesh serves the law of sin. For the flesh craves what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are opposed to each other. Nothing good lives in my flesh. Who can say, “I have kept my heart pure; I am clean and without sin”? Who can bring what is pure from the impure? No one! The flesh brings forth fruit unto death. Romans 7 v 25, Galatians 5 v 17, Romans 7 v 18, Proverbs 20 v 9, Job 14 v 4, Romans 7 v 5 (Romans 8 v 13 and James 1 v 15)
From Romans 7:25, Galatians 5:17, Romans 7:18, Proverbs 20:9, Job 14:4, Romans 7:5 (Romans 8:13 and James 1:15)

 

[cv5]

We make choices every minute of the day, and we choose freely. But the choices we make do not contradict the sovereignty of God. We make choices based on our nature. Only when God changes our spiritually dead nature do we choose Him.

No, not really.

[Act 7:51 NKJV]
"[You] stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears! You always resist the Holy Spirit; as your fathers [did], so [do] you.

[Act 28:24 NKJV]
And some were persuaded by the things which were spoken, and some disbelieved.

[Act 28:25 NKJV]
So when they did not agree among themselves, they departed after Paul had said one word: "The Holy Spirit spoke rightly through Isaiah the prophet to our fathers,

[Act 28:26 NKJV]
"saying, 'Go to this people and say: "Hearing you will hear, and shall not understand; And seeing you will see, and not perceive;

[Act 28:27 NKJV]
For the hearts of this people have grown dull. [Their] ears are hard of hearing, And their eyes they have closed, Lest they should see with [their] eyes and hear with [their] ears, Lest they should understand with [their] hearts and turn, So that I should heal them." '

[Act 28:28 NKJV]
"Therefore let it be known to you that the salvation of God has been sent to the Gentiles, and they will hear it!"

[Act 28:29 NKJV]
And when he had said these words, the Jews departed and had a great dispute among themselves.

 

[cv5]

You are manipulating the whole meaning of the parable in your desperate attempt to force Scripture to state something never intended by the Author.

A lawyer who wanted to justify himself asked Jesus "who is my neighbor". Jesus then told the parable of the good Samaritan and asked the lawyer "Which now of these three, thinkest thou, was neighbour unto him that fell among the thieves? " (Luke 10:36).

The lawyer answered "He that shewed mercy on him." (Luke 10:37).

Jesus answered "Go, and do thou likewise." (Luke 10:37).

Jesus did not correct the lawyer ... the lawyer answered correctly.

The parable is not a parable to use in explaining how a person believes unto salvation ... there is no mention of the gospel having been preached to the half dead man ... also, under your system, isn't natural man considered to be "dead" ... not just "half dead" as the injured man in the parable?





Why do you attribute sin to the injured man when it is wholly obvious from the parable that the perpetrators of sin were the "thieves, which stripped him of his raiment, and wounded him, and departed, leaving him half dead." (Luke 10:30).





God's punishment for the sin inflicted on the half dead man is not explained in the parable ... because that is not the intent of the parable ... get a clue, man.






What is "evil, wicked, unjust, unfair, unrighteous" is you comparing God to the priest and the levite, both of whom looked upon the fallen man, and crossed the other side (Luke 10:31-32).
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Actually, the man was in fact on the "wrong path" going the "wrong way" so to speak.

[Luk 10:30 NKJV]
Then Jesus answered and said: "A certain [man] went DOWN from Jerusalem ***to*** Jericho, and fell among thieves, who stripped him of his clothing, wounded [him], and departed, leaving [him] half dead.

The man, who was on the "road to ruin" SHOULD have been ministered to by the priest and the Levite so that he would LEARN God's way and repent of his foolish gambit. That was their mandate. But they failed to do their duty.

That is the ONE of the main points of the parable. Jesus is upbraiding the pharisees and lawyers for their hardness of heart to sinners and gentiles.

The other main point? That it is JESUS Who is the "GOOD" Samaritan. He is willing and able to succor and help the sinner, any sinner.

 

[sawdust]

What I am saying is that even though they will surely become believers, Christ will not let them slip through His fingers, they do not begin life as one. They come into this world a sinner just as all men do.

So?? I wasn't talking about men and how they come into the world, I was talking about God and His omniscience. You think God doesn't know whether I person will believe or not until he is born?

See, this is why it's hard to have real discussions because you go away from the actual subject and make stuff up about what is said.

The point is God knows who will believe from His omniscience but election is not based on that, it is based on His foreknowledge. It's a different type of knowledge based on it's application. This is why election is only applied to believers, never unbelievers, because in God's mind, He has already sorted the wheat from the chaff.

 

[sawdust]

We make choices every minute of the day, and we choose freely. But the choices we make do not contradict the sovereignty of God. We make choices based on our nature. Only when God changes our spiritually dead nature do we choose Him.

What do you think you use to make those choices?

 

[sawdust]

FTFY!

Stop putting words into other peoples mouths. It's very rude.

You fix nothing, you only show the real you.

 

[sawdust]

OSAS is simply not true. Let me quote this again:


the “once saved, always saved” teaching infers or presumes that somehow:

• No virgin’s lamp can go out…(Matthew 25:8)
• No promising harvest can be choked with thorns…(Matthew 13:7)
• No branch in Christ can ever be cut off for not abiding…(John 15:6)
• No forgiveness can ever be forfeited… (Matthew 18:32)
• No name can be blotted out of God’s book…(Revelation 3:5; Exodus 32:33)
• No salt can ever lose its flavor…(Matthew 5:13)

“Once Saved, Always Saved,” says that nobody can ever:

• “Receive the grace of God in vain”… (2 Corinthians 6:1)
• “Bury [their] talents”…(Matthew 25:18)
• “Neglect such great salvation”… (Hebrews 2:3)
• “Look back” after putting [their] hand to the plow… (Luke 9:62)
• Nor “deny the Lord that bought them” and “brings upon themselves swift destruction” (2 Peter 2:1)
• Nobody, or body of believers, can ever get so lukewarm that Jesus will spew them out of His mouth… (Revelation 3:16)

“Once Saved, Always Saved” will argue that:

• If you are lost, you were never found (John 17:12)
• If one falls, he was never standing (Romans 11:16-22; Hebrews 6:4-6)
• If one was ever “cast forth,” he was never in, and “if one ever withered,” he was never attached to the vine and once green (John 15:1-6)
• “If any man draws back,” proves that he never had anything to draw back from (Hebrews 10:38,39)
• If one ever “falls away into spiritual darkness,” he was never enlightened (Hebrews 6:4-6)
• If you “again get entangled in the pollution of the world,” it shows that you never escaped (2 Peter 2:20)
• If you “put salvation away” you never truly had it (Hebrews 10:35; Psalms 51:11)
• If you make a shipwreck of your faith, there was no ship of faith there, to begin with!! (1 Timothy 1:19)

Actually, it's not what we argue at all. We simply say if God has made you alive in Christ you cannot die again. We have been given salvation from death that is eternal. Now, whether you work out that salvation according to God's plan or whether you completely make a hash of it, that is to be seen. Some lose their first love and never regain it, some tolerate some aspect of evil in their life and don't deal with it, some get all legalistic and fail to walk after the Spirit. There are many ways to stuff up the salvation we have been given and never see it manifest in our lives without dying again and being lost eternally.

God is not mocked, He knows who believes and who doesn't and has known before any one of us knew.

 

[Genez]

If the entire world knows about Jesus then the Bible has lied because God hasn't returned.

Knowing that a person named Jesus once lived is nowhere the same as hearing the Gospel preached.

I will ask....

2000 years ago? Before the Great Commission went into the world?

Did cultures outside of Israel know anything about Jesus dying on a Cross?

No, it was unknown everywhere else in the world except Israel.
That ignorance was what the Great Commission was to put an end to.

Now that we have become partakers of what the Great Commission succeeded in establishing?

Today we have this!

 

[Genez]

Let's run with your fallacy for a moment. Suppose when the Good Samaritan came across the half-dead crime victim laying on the road and he decided to do as the others before him did: Pass him by! Would this mean that the Good Samaritan was the cause of the man being a crime victim? Did the Good Samaritan make/force/coerce, compel the criminals to attack their victim?

Likewise, man comes into this world spiritually dead due to our Federal Head Adam. God did not make/force/coerce or compel Adam to sin. God's holy, righteous, good nature requires Him to punish sin; for justice and righteousness are the foundation to God's throne (Ps 97:2), , so if God chooses to leave people in their fallen, dead state and punish rather than forgive how does this make God evil, wicked, unjust, unfair, unrighteous, etc.?

You are being guided and set up to become what appears to be an expert for those already thinking in apostasy.
There is a 'market' for your dogma.

But, the wages of sin are going to be death.

Nice shiny ring you got there!

 

[NightTwister]

No, not really.

[Act 7:51 NKJV]
"[You] stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears! You always resist the Holy Spirit; as your fathers [did], so [do] you.

[Act 28:24 NKJV]
And some were persuaded by the things which were spoken, and some disbelieved.

[Act 28:25 NKJV]
So when they did not agree among themselves, they departed after Paul had said one word: "The Holy Spirit spoke rightly through Isaiah the prophet to our fathers,

[Act 28:26 NKJV]
"saying, 'Go to this people and say: "Hearing you will hear, and shall not understand; And seeing you will see, and not perceive;

[Act 28:27 NKJV]
For the hearts of this people have grown dull. [Their] ears are hard of hearing, And their eyes they have closed, Lest they should see with [their] eyes and hear with [their] ears, Lest they should understand with [their] hearts and turn, So that I should heal them." '

[Act 28:28 NKJV]
"Therefore let it be known to you that the salvation of God has been sent to the Gentiles, and they will hear it!"

[Act 28:29 NKJV]
And when he had said these words, the Jews departed and had a great dispute among themselves.

Yes, really.

 

[Genez]

OSAS is simply not true. Let me quote this again:


the “once saved, always saved” teaching infers or presumes that somehow:

• No virgin’s lamp can go out…(Matthew 25:8)
• No promising harvest can be choked with thorns…(Matthew 13:7)
• No branch in Christ can ever be cut off for not abiding…(John 15:6)
• No forgiveness can ever be forfeited… (Matthew 18:32)
• No name can be blotted out of God’s book…(Revelation 3:5; Exodus 32:33)
• No salt can ever lose its flavor…(Matthew 5:13)

“Once Saved, Always Saved,” says that nobody can ever:

• “Receive the grace of God in vain”… (2 Corinthians 6:1)
• “Bury [their] talents”…(Matthew 25:18)
• “Neglect such great salvation”… (Hebrews 2:3)
• “Look back” after putting [their] hand to the plow… (Luke 9:62)
• Nor “deny the Lord that bought them” and “brings upon themselves swift destruction” (2 Peter 2:1)
• Nobody, or body of believers, can ever get so lukewarm that Jesus will spew them out of His mouth… (Revelation 3:16)

“Once Saved, Always Saved” will argue that:

• If you are lost, you were never found (John 17:12)
• If one falls, he was never standing (Romans 11:16-22; Hebrews 6:4-6)
• If one was ever “cast forth,” he was never in, and “if one ever withered,” he was never attached to the vine and once green (John 15:1-6)
• “If any man draws back,” proves that he never had anything to draw back from (Hebrews 10:38,39)
• If one ever “falls away into spiritual darkness,” he was never enlightened (Hebrews 6:4-6)
• If you “again get entangled in the pollution of the world,” it shows that you never escaped (2 Peter 2:20)
• If you “put salvation away” you never truly had it (Hebrews 10:35; Psalms 51:11)
• If you make a shipwreck of your faith, there was no ship of faith there, to begin with!! (1 Timothy 1:19)

You missed something essential.

The “once saved, always saved” teaching does not infer, or presume, that a believer can not lose eternal rewards or blessings.

Here! All lost! But not the soul of the believer!

For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ. ​

If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, ​

their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be ​

revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person’s work. If what has ​

been built survives, the builder will receive a reward. If it is burned up, the builder will ​

suffer loss but yet will be saved—even though only as one escaping through the flames. ​

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1 Cor 3:11-15​

See that?

It will be a total loss for the doctrinally inept believer, except for one thing he will keep!
That one thing not lost, will be?

If what has been built survives, the builder will receive a reward. If it is burned up, the builder ​

will suffer loss but yet will be saved—even though only as one escaping through the flames. ​

​

God knows what He is doing.
He is not like us in that regard.

 

[HeIsHere]

There are many ways to stuff up the salvation we have been given and never see it manifest in our lives without dying again and being lost eternally.

Reads like salvation can be lost to me?

 

[cv5]

Yes, really.

No not really.

[Mat 8:9 KJV]
For I am a man under authority, having soldiers under me: and I say to this [man], Go, and he goeth; and to another, Come, and he cometh; and to my servant, Do this, and he doeth [it].

[Mat 8:10 KJV]
When Jesus heard [it], he marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel.

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[Mat 15:22 KJV]
And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, [thou] Son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.

[Mat 15:23 KJV]
But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.

[Mat 15:24 KJV]
But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

[Mat 15:25 KJV]
Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.

[Mat 15:26 KJV]
But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast [it] to dogs.

[Mat 15:27 KJV]
And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table.

[Mat 15:28 KJV]
Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great [is] thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou ***wilt***. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.

 

[NightTwister]

No not really.

[Mat 8:9 KJV]
For I am a man under authority, having soldiers under me: and I say to this [man], Go, and he goeth; and to another, Come, and he cometh; and to my servant, Do this, and he doeth [it].

[Mat 8:10 KJV]
When Jesus heard [it], he marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel.

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[Mat 15:22 KJV]
And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, [thou] Son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.

[Mat 15:23 KJV]
But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.

[Mat 15:24 KJV]
But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

[Mat 15:25 KJV]
Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.

[Mat 15:26 KJV]
But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast [it] to dogs.

[Mat 15:27 KJV]
And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table.

[Mat 15:28 KJV]
Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great [is] thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou ***wilt***. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.

Posting a bunch of verses without you saying what you think they mean does nothing. None of these verses negates what I said.