Israel.

[Daisy2]

ChristRoseFromTheDead,

again your talking about the spiritual in inheritances becoming children of God by faith and inheriting the blessings of the covenant, which is our eternal life and relationship with God Not the city on earth Israel which is promised Inheritance of the Israelites


“And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee. And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.” Genesis 17:7-8


"By faith Abraham, when called to go to a place he would later receive as his inheritance, obeyed and went... For he was looking forward to the city with foundations, whose architect and builder is God." Hebrews 11:8-10

The bible talk of new Jerusalem in revelations (Revelation 21:2-3) which is our spiritual inheritance along with the New Jews that become Christians.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

ChristRoseFromTheDead,

again your talking about the spiritual in inheritances becoming children of God by faith and inheriting the blessings of the covenant, which is our eternal life and relationship with God Not the city on earth Israel which is promised Inheritance of the Israelites


“And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee. And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.” Genesis 17:7-8


"By faith Abraham, when called to go to a place he would later receive as his inheritance, obeyed and went... For he was looking forward to the city with foundations, whose architect and builder is God." Hebrews 11:8-10

The bible talk of new Jerusalem in revelations (Revelation 21:2-3) which is our spiritual inheritance along with the New Jews that become Christians.

All of the promises belonged to Israel, both spiritual and physical. The holy spirit was promised to Israel and delivered at Pentecost.

[By] the right [hand] then of God having been raised up high, and the promise of the holy spirit having received by the father, he poured out this which you now see and hear. Acts 2:33​

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The Genesis verse you quoted was a part of the covenant of circumcision. Inheritance of those promises was conditioned upon obedience to it. Abraham's seed were later brought under the yoke of the covenant of law and their continued enjoyment of the land was based on their obedience to it.

There are many Israelites now in the heavenly Jerusalem.

 

[Daisy2]

All of the promises belonged to Israel, both spiritual and physical. The holy spirit was promised to Israel and delivered at Pentecost.

[By] the right [hand] then of God having been raised up high, and the promise of the holy spirit having received by the father, he poured out this which you now see and hear. Acts 2:33​

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The Genesis verse you quoted was a part of the covenant of circumcision. Inheritance of those promises was conditioned upon obedience to it. Abraham's seed were later brought under the yoke of the covenant of law and their continued enjoyment of the land was based on their obedience to it.

There are many Israelites now in the heavenly Jerusalem.

That doesn't explain all the verses about restoring Israel. He will gather them from all over, they have desecrated my name among the heathen, the heathen will see the desolate city flourish and know i am God. the heathen wont be in heaven they wont be able to see the new Jerusalem. the only Jerusalem they can see is the one on earth. the only thing that can explain this is a physical inheritance and a spiritual inheritance.

 

[Lamar]

Even if Israel was not God's nation, your attitude to the Jews is sickening.

I am going to side with Heishere on this issue. Your comment seems rather ad hominem.

By the way, there are no Biblical Jews today only people who claim to be.

Just like there are no Edomites or Hittites today.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

That doesn't explain all the verses about restoring Israel. He will gather them from all over, they have desecrated my name among the heathen, the heathen will see the desolate city flourish and know i am God. the heathen wont be in heaven they wont be able to see the new Jerusalem. the only Jerusalem they can see is the one on earth. the only thing that can explain this is a physical inheritance and a spiritual inheritance.

Yes he will gather them from all over throughout history and bring them with him when he returns and gives them their inheritance in the land of Israel. Then the heathen will see them in Jerusalem

 

[Daisy2]

Yes he will gather them from all over throughout history and bring them with him when he returns and gives them their inheritance in the land of Israel. Then the heathen will see them in Jerusalem

Many Christians believe that the gathering of Israel from the nations and their restoration to the land of Israel is physical events distinct from the second coming of Christ. At His return, Jesus will come and demonstrate His divinity openly to all. Because of this undeniable revelation of God’s power and presence at the second coming, it doesn’t make sense that the restoration of Israel would be merely metaphorical to prove that He is God. He wont have to prove it that way for he will be there in person. Rather, these are two separate events: the physical restoration of Israel to their land, which fulfills God’s promises to His people and did happen and the visible, personal return of Christ to Jerusalem, where He establishes His kingdom and all will recognize Him as God.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Many Christians believe that the gathering of Israel from the nations and their restoration to the land of Israel is physical events distinct from the second coming of Christ. At His return, Jesus will come and demonstrate His divinity openly to all. Because of this undeniable revelation of God’s power and presence at the second coming, it doesn’t make sense that the restoration of Israel would be merely metaphorical to prove that He is God. He wont have to prove it that way for he will be there in person. Rather, these are two separate events: the physical restoration of Israel to their land, which fulfills God’s promises to His people and did happen and the visible, personal return of Christ to Jerusalem, where He establishes His kingdom and all will recognize Him as God.

The restoration of Israel to the land at the resurrection will be a physical event. It's not metaphorical at all. There's no need or scriptural warrant to break that up into two separate events. Doing so is just confusion.

 

[Lamar]

The restoration of Israel to the land at the resurrection will be a physical event. It's not metaphorical at all. There's no need or scriptural warrant to break that up into two separate events. Doing so is just confusion.

What is confusing is trying to explain how there will be a physical restoration of Biblical Jews without physical Biblical Jews to draw from.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

What is confusing is trying to explain how there will be a physical restoration of Biblical Jews without physical Biblical Jews to draw from.

It's called the resurrection

 

[Daisy2]

What is confusing is trying to explain how there will be a physical restoration of Biblical Jews without physical Biblical Jews to draw from.

evidence was already presented genealogy kept DNA but some refuse to admit that Israelites exist.

 

[Daisy2]

What is confusing is trying to explain how there will be a physical restoration of Biblical Jews without physical Biblical Jews to draw from.

Its like you are trying to prove "they that say they are Jews but are not," aiming to make it both literally and physically true. If it is not important, then why is there so much fighting about it? Could it be because a majority of them are white? Or is it because the land on which many of them reside has fulfilled biblical prophecy? Or perhaps jealousy over their riches? However, given the choice, would you want to suffer like them in their place? After all, with their blessings also comes much suffering, which further demonstrates that they are truly God’s people.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Yes, he will bring with him when he returns a nation of just Israelites and gentiles made perfect who will inherit the land forever.

“Even if you have been banished to the most distant land under the heavens, from there the LORD your God will gather you and bring you back. He will bring you to the land that belonged to your ancestors, and you will take possession of it”

Promises made promises kept- God

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

“Even if you have been banished to the most distant land under the heavens, from there the LORD your God will gather you and bring you back. He will bring you to the land that belonged to your ancestors, and you will take possession of it”

Promises made promises kept- God

Right - at the resurrection. They can't take possession of it until Christ allots to each believer their inheritance.

 

[HeIsHere]

What is confusing is trying to explain how there will be a physical restoration of Biblical Jews without physical Biblical Jews to draw from.

Yes, that was a problem but it was solved.... have a clan convert centuries ago.

 

[Gideon300]

I am going to side with Heishere on this issue. Your comment seems rather ad hominem.

By the way, there are no Biblical Jews today only people who claim to be.

Just like there are no Edomites or Hittites today.

What do you mean by Biblical Jew? You do know that the bloodline of Jesus the Man includes gentile women? That Joseph was married to an Egyptian and Moses to a Midianite?

 

[HeIsHere]

I did not say that and you know it.
I said was is hell and children always suffer.
My hart breaks every time I see the horrors of war.
Have you ever posted a protest of the way these people murder women and children?
The blessing is not that they died a violent death, but that they are now with Jesus, not bound to hell like their parents.

Will you watch and listen about a boy who was shot by the IDF after gathering scraps of food? He is a U.S. vet.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1950984763709292869

 

[Gideon300]

I am going to side with Heishere on this issue. Your comment seems rather ad hominem.

By the way, there are no Biblical Jews today only people who claim to be.

Just like there are no Edomites or Hittites today.

What do you mean by Biblical Jew? Jews have survived 2,000 years of persecution and attempts to exterminate them. You do know that there are gentiles in the bloodline of Jesus? You do know that even in heaven He is the Lion of the tribe of Judah? You do know that Moses was married to a Midianite and Joseph to an Egyptian?

You are wrong about Edomites. Arabs are descended from Ishmael and Esau, aka Edom. Names change throughout history. You won't find the names Persia, Assyria, Cush, Put and Lud on the map these days. But they are real places physically. Likewise the descendants of Ishmael.

If Jesus is content to identify Himself as of the tribe of Judah, I think it is unwise to dismiss the Jews as no longer having a part in God's plan. Romans 9, 10 and 11 make it clear that God is not yet done with Israel. The events in the book of Revelation cannot come to pass without Israel being restored as a nation.
God is still blessing those who bless Israel. Ask the people of the UK what the result of turning against Israel has been.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Will you watch and listen about a boy who was shot by the IDF after gathering scraps of food? He is a U.S. vet.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1950984763709292869

That is heartbreaking...

 

[TabinRivCA]

Although that video quickly went viral, it took days, and sometimes weeks, to read reports about captagon tablets (spelled with a small “c”) found on the bodies of Hamas terrorists who died that day, either by military action or possibly because of fatal cardiotropic adverse effects of their meds. By October 20, 2023, All Israel News Staff reported that a “highly addictive drug Captagon [was] found in pockets of Hamas terrorists who committed massacre on Oct. 7.”10....Psychiatric Times

About 360 people were killed at the rave alone, the largest massacre on the deadliest day in Israeli history.Credit...Sergey Ponomarev for The New York Times
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[HeIsHere]

Although that video quickly went viral, it took days, and sometimes weeks, to read reports about captagon tablets (spelled with a small “c”) found on the bodies of Hamas terrorists who died that day, either by military action or possibly because of fatal cardiotropic adverse effects of their meds. By October 20, 2023, All Israel News Staff reported that a “highly addictive drug Captagon [was] found in pockets of Hamas terrorists who committed massacre on Oct. 7.”10....Psychiatric Times

About 360 people were killed at the rave alone, the largest massacre on the deadliest day in Israeli history.Credit...Sergey Ponomarev for The New York Times
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And the army who watched them day and night and were told it was coming still caught off guard?
How exactly does that happen?
All that surveillance of no use that day, and then of course the very slow response ... wow, how much bad luck can there be?

The government of Israelis had the reason and justification they needed for their final move to ethnically cleanse, mass starvation and final destruction.