When you gonna wake up?

[JesusWept]

And suppose for a moment that you made the other side understand and agree with you. Why did you do it? To achieve what?
Self greatness? Peace in the world? Or glorify God?

Self greatness? Thanks for the laugh. There will never be peace in the world, false peace yes, but no true peace until the King of Righteousness returns, and I chose that title specifically.

To glorify Christ should be the main objective of any true believer. It is the main work of the Holy Spirit, and whatever does not glorify Christ is not from the Holy Spirit.

Should you ever see me failing in my duty to glorify my beloved Savior, then please do not hesitate to bring it to my attention. I'm sure there are plenty of my posts to choose from that could be construed as not coming from that place.
Just make sure that you are not reacting to what has been said, but actually investigating what was said, before you go there. I am not above being corrected. But neither will I lower my standards or change my views to simply fit in. I've never fit in anywhere my entire life.

Or as Dwight Yoakum would say,
"I ain't that lonely yet."

 

[Eli1]

Choice words? Yes, I work very hard at choosing my words. And when I cross the line I try to make it right. Better not too cross the line. But the line for me is truth. Factual evidence supported by available data has always been the line for me.

While I care very much about everyone's feelings, I try to follow Christ's example in this regard. The truth trumps feeling.

Why keep trying? Love I suppose. The love I have for those who have fallen into these traps of the enemy. Love of truth. And then of course, there are many who are still on the fence one way or the other, or who have never even considered some of the things spoken of here. They may not comment, but they read, and some of them may actually be encouraged to look beyond their programming because of something one of us have said. I'm not alone. There are others who have come to similar conclusions, we are clearly in the minority. I wouldn't expect it to be any other way. Its not called "Great" Deception by accident. And the great falling away began quite some time ago.

Okay look. While your goal may be noble, your approach may be wrong.
What you call "truth" the other guy also calls "truth". You aware of this?
So now the question is how do you establish understanding. You can establish it by presenting facts. There are facts that we humans know reasonably well in this world and there are facts that we will never know and belong to God which require faith.
For the facts that we are able to agree on such as the world is round and the sky is blue and the grass is green then you need to see how acceptable the other side is of these facts.
If they don't like them, then you need to forgive and move on. This is what Christ said. "Shake the dust off your feet". Don't waste your energy when people don't want to deal with facts.

Then, comes the point itself. Suppose that the other side accepts your facts that the sky is blue. What was the purpose of this exercise on the grand scale? To show that history repeats itself in terms of war and suffering or to show that you are swinging hard for one team while disregarding the other?
Because there are always 2 sides to every story and every story begins with an action which produces a re-action.

 

[Eli1]

Self greatness? Thanks for the laugh. There will never be peace in the world, false peace yes, but no true peace until the King of Righteousness returns, and I chose that title specifically.

To glorify Christ should be the main objective of any true believer. It is the main work of the Holy Spirit, and whatever does not glorify Christ is not from the Holy Spirit.

Should you ever see me failing in my duty to glorify my beloved Savior, then please do not hesitate to bring it to my attention. I'm sure there are plenty of my posts to choose from that could be construed as not coming from that place.
Just make sure that you are not reacting to what has been said, but actually investigating what was said, before you go there. I am not above being corrected. But neither will I lower my standards or change my views to simply fit in. I've never fit in anywhere my entire life.

Or as Dwight Yoakum would say,
"I ain't that lonely yet."

All right. Fair enough.
Let's put this into practice.
You got something to say about Israel or Trump? Say it!

 

[JesusWept]

LOL, you make me laugh because you begin with typical leftist rhetoric such as "quote me where i said this" while missing the point.
Here, on post 26 you say "orange Jesus". Now what? lol
Do you even know what the point is? The point i was trying to make to you is how to communicate, choose your words and ideas carefully, be respectful of the other side and once you understand the other side clearly then disagree without inflaming the situation.
This is called a professional discussion.
A lot of people miss the point every day, in real life not just here. They think they have a "gotcha" moment with Trump and have no awareness of why and how Trump was voted there.
So this part was funny to read from you by the way.

You mention extremes in the world which is what i said with my example of weather extremes too, while living alone without interacting with people ... like a monk for example. And i asked how do you deal with extremes?
Can you give me a few example how you deal with extremes? I have seen a lot of extremes in my life so you could say i have some life experience.
Give me an example how would you deal with an extreme situation where your life is in danger not just your ideas while we're drinking coffee in air-conditioned rooms.

Orange man bad. Its a statement I agree with, but not one I have ever made. I do my best, as I have clearly stated. And my best is far from perfect, as I have also clearly stated. I extend to you an olive branch, and you slap me in the face with it. How exactly would you like me to respond?

I'm not Christ, I have no authority to go around speaking to people in the way that Christ did, but there is much to learn from His example. Particularly how this truth was perceived, and responded too.

In the end, they nailed Him to a tree. And why? Because they preferred their worldly kingdom to His heavenly one.
There is truly nothing new under the sun, is there?

 

[JesusWept]

Okay look. While your goal may be noble, your approach may be wrong.
What you call "truth" the other guy also calls "truth". You aware of this?
So now the question is how do you establish understanding. You can establish it by presenting facts. There are facts that we humans know reasonably well in this world and there are facts that we will never know and belong to God which require faith.
For the facts that we are able to agree on such as the world is round and the sky is blue and the grass is green then you need to see how acceptable the other side is of these facts.
If they don't like them, then you need to forgive and move on. This is what Christ said. "Shake the dust off your feet". Don't waste your energy when people don't want to deal with facts.

Then, comes the point itself. Suppose that the other side accepts your facts that the sky is blue. What was the purpose of this exercise on the grand scale? To show that history repeats itself in terms of war and suffering or to show that you are swinging hard for one team while disregarding the other?
Because there are always 2 sides to every story and every story begins with an action which produces a re-action.

Great advice, thank you.
I'll be shaking the dust off my feet now, if that's OK with you. Be blessed, and I mean that most sincerely.

 

[Eli1]

Orange man bad. Its a statement I agree with, but not one I have ever made. I do my best, as I have clearly stated. And my best is far from perfect, as I have also clearly stated. I extend to you an olive branch, and you slap me in the face with it. How exactly would you like me to respond?

I'm not Christ, I have no authority to go around speaking to people in the way that Christ did, but there is much to learn from His example. Particularly how this truth was perceived, and responded too.

In the end, they nailed Him to a tree. And why? Because they preferred their worldly kingdom to His heavenly one.
There is truly nothing new under the sun, is there?

This is why i said choose your words carefully. When you say "Orange Jesus" which is something that someone else said, you're saying it to 'offend' or get a reaction out of people. And a reaction you will get! Possibly by voting for him a 3rd time. That will be one type of reaction.
So i don't see an olive branch. I see mis-communication if you're genuine.
I also said to you that the word "truth" is not an echo-chamber. You need to establish that with another person.
And if there is nothing new under the sun, why say anything at all?

 

[Eli1]

Great advice, thank you.
I'll be shaking the dust off my feet now, if that's OK with you. Be blessed, and I mean that most sincerely.

So this means that what you said in post 48 is what? Hypocrisy from your side? Lack of conviction? Self-greatness?
Echo chamber?
What is it?

 

[JesusWept]

All right. Fair enough.
Let's put this into practice.
You got something to say about Israel or Trump? Say it!

I've said it all already friend.
And not in a shy way. My thoughts concerning Trump are well publicized, same goes for Israel. And every time I reread my post, and click that send button, I am fully aware that my words are being recorded and I move just a little higher up the the list for eventual extermination.

Your country is run by Zionists. There is no distinguishable difference between a Zionist and a Communist, the Bolsheviks are within the gates, but you can't recognize them because they are dressed up in blue instead of red. Its a one party system, you aren't invited to the party, but you will get the bill, and soon.

Have a nice day.

 

[Eli1]

I've said it all already friend.
And not in a shy way. My thoughts concerning Trump are well publicized, same goes for Israel. And every time I reread my post, and click that send button, I am fully aware that my words are being recorded and I move just a little higher up the the list for eventual extermination.

Your country is run by Zionists. There is no distinguishable difference between a Zionist and a Communist, the Bolsheviks are within the gates, but you can't recognize them because they are dressed up in blue instead of red. Its a one party system, you aren't invited to the party, but you will get the bill, and soon.

Have a nice day.

Okay, so with this answer i can see that you have no discernment and you're batting too hard for one team.
Let me give you a different perspective which is based on truth. Verifiable truth.
Every society in history has been infiltrated by some ideology. In ancient history this is materialized with the Trojan Horse. Which is also a term for a computer virus nowadays. A Trojan horse is when one group, tries to take control of another group.
In a communist system in a group of 2 people, 3 were spies. This is a little joke we used to say when we lived in communism which was based on truth.
So now the question is: why do you elevate this moment in time as something special when this has been happening for eternity?

Are you able to get to some level of truth here with me? And where does God fit when we're dealing with Eternity and an endless repeating sinful cycle?

 

[Eli1]

This is now your chance to get to the reason. If you can get to some level of truth.
What's the reason for you to do anything? Self-greatness? World peace through awareness? Or glorify God?

 

[Haidabo]

If we truly want to walk with the Lord, and it sounds like you do, He will put you in a place where you will spend time alone with Him.
blessings

Really? That is not what happened when Jesus was here on earth.

 

[HeIsHere]

You'll have to clue me in then, because I seriously have no idea what you were talking about. Ahh, OK. Maybe it just hit me. Did you mean Banned. Yes, actually. I think I was banned at one point in time.
The reason stated if I remember correctly was for being an antisemitic nutjob.

The forum seems to have changed somewhat since then, I have not.

I'm no antisemite. Criticizing and calling out those who are claiming to be Jews is not hatred, quite the opposite actually.
I could give my thoughts on homosexuals all day long on this forum if such things concerned me, not one person would call me a homophobe.
Everyone has their sacred cows I guess.

As you may know "semite" refers to people who speak a semitic language, when people use that slur is just tells me they have been programmed by their pastors/leaders.

There is some truth to what you say when comes to groups of people,

probably Liberals/Woke/Muslims/ are high on the list right now of people you could rant and rave about and receive big ribbons on every post, lol!!

There always has to be a stereotyped group to rally against how else can MAGA (the DT based one) have cohesion.

Everyone has their sacred cows I guess.

Maybe, but some are really, really ridiculous and a certain person comes to mind.

 

[HeIsHere]

Orange man bad. Its a statement I agree with, but not one I have ever made. I do my best, as I have clearly stated. And my best is far from perfect, as I have also clearly stated. I extend to you an olive branch, and you slap me in the face with it. How exactly would you like me to respond?

I'm not Christ, I have no authority to go around speaking to people in the way that Christ did, but there is much to learn from His example. Particularly how this truth was perceived, and responded too.

In the end, they nailed Him to a tree. And why? Because they preferred their worldly kingdom to His heavenly one.
There is truly nothing new under the sun, is there?

A worldly kingdom rather than a spiritual one.

But there is only one Truth.

 

[HeIsHere]

I've said it all already friend.
And not in a shy way. My thoughts concerning Trump are well publicized, same goes for Israel. And every time I reread my post, and click that send button, I am fully aware that my words are being recorded and I move just a little higher up the the list for eventual extermination.

Your country is run by Zionists. There is no distinguishable difference between a Zionist and a Communist, the Bolsheviks are within the gates, but you can't recognize them because they are dressed up in blue instead of red. Its a one party system, you aren't invited to the party, but you will get the bill, and soon.

Have a nice day.

You have taken the best approach.

 

[HeIsHere]

Really? That is not what happened when Jesus was here on earth.

Interesting reply.

 

[Haidabo]

Interesting reply.

Well
Read your bible.
Who did Jesus spend with His time, one on one?
Very very very few.

 

[Eli1]

As you may know "semite" refers to people who speak a semitic language, when people use that slur is just tells me they have been programmed by their pastors/leaders.

There is some truth to what you say when comes to groups of people,

probably Liberals/Woke/Muslims/ are high on the list right now of people you could rant and rave about and receive big ribbons on every post, lol!!

There always has to be a stereotyped group to rally against how else can MAGA (the DT based one) have cohesion.



Maybe, but some are really, really ridiculous and a certain person comes to mind.

Lady the point for both of you is that you don’t know how to communicate even when you’re right.
This is why the left will keep losing to Trump over and over. Because of this very simple concept.
You’re confused and unable to communicate clearly.
The second part is that you should know when to speak to an audience about a certain truth. It’s about timing.
Sometimes you have to wait an entire lifetime and sometimes you should never say it.
Instead the left speaks like parrots.
And when you speak you don’t speak to elevate yourself but the truth.
When Paul spoke to the audience in Greece he didn’t go there with a chainsaw and a flamethrower, he complimented them first.
So learn how to communicate. Hard concept for the left which has reduced ideas to trigger words.

 

[HeIsHere]

You'll have to clue me in then, because I seriously have no idea what you were talking about. Ahh, OK. Maybe it just hit me. Did you mean Banned. Yes, actually. I think I was banned at one point in time.
The reason stated if I remember correctly was for being an antisemitic nutjob.

The forum seems to have changed somewhat since then, I have not.

I'm no antisemite. Criticizing and calling out those who are claiming to be Jews is not hatred, quite the opposite actually.
I could give my thoughts on homosexuals all day long on this forum if such things concerned me, not one person would call me a homophobe.
Everyone has their sacred cows I guess.

It is my understanding banned people are not supposed to return, that is why they are banned.

 

[ZNP]

The prophecy of the OT has been fulfilled.

Isaiah 11:11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.

Israel is returning from exile a second time. But, it is a second time from Shinar (Babylon), it is a second time from Assyria, it is a second time from Egypt, a second time from Persia, etc. According to Jewish tradition and understanding they returned once from each of those places. The second time from all those places must refer to the return from the diaspora, this prophecy refers to 1948.

12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

Again, this must refer to 1948. Yes, Israel was exiled a few times and returned a few times, but it was only once from each of those places. The second time, in 1948, was a second time from all those places.

13 The envy also of Ephraim shall depart, and the adversaries of Judah shall be cut off: Ephraim shall not envy Judah, and Judah shall not vex Ephraim. 14 But they shall fly upon the shoulders of the Philistines toward the west; they shall spoil them of the east together: they shall lay their hand upon Edom and Moab; and the children of Ammon shall obey them.

The Philistines to the west refers to Gaza in 2023 and 2024. They shall spoil them of the east refers to Jordan and Syria and the Assad regime being defeated in December of 2024.

15 And the Lord shall utterly destroy the tongue of the Egyptian sea; and with his mighty wind shall he shake his hand over the river, and shall smite it in the seven streams, and make men go over dryshod.

The crossing of the red sea is compared to the rapture of the seven streams (the church).

16 And there shall be an highway for the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria; like as it was to Israel in the day that he came up out of the land of Egypt.

The remnant here refers to tribulation saints fleeing to Israel like a traffic jam on a highway fleeing a city on fire to a refuge. From the context they would be fleeing Ephraim, referring to the USA.

 

[JesusWept]

It is my understanding banned people are not supposed to return, that is why they are banned.

Then report me and see if you can get me banned again. The person who banned me was completely unhinged over my comments. Calling me names and making wild accusations.

There was no process, no questions were asked, no warnings given. Just a message in my inbox calling me a Jew hater.

It matters not to me.

Some folks in here definitely should be banned, but banning someone because you disagree with their conclusions on scripture should not be a valid reason.