A misconception of obedience

studier · Jul 6, 2025

Or Obedience / Faith Romans 1:5; Romans 16:26; Romans 15:18; Romans 10:16; Hebrews 3:18-19; 1John3:23 (belief is commanded - how do we believe apart from obeying?); et.al.

studier · Jul 6, 2025

Believer08 said:

Faith and obedience are so intertwined and inseparable that they are used in parallel in the Text Rom10:16; Heb3:18-19

studier · Jul 6, 2025

Believer08 said:

#3 not only does faith demonstrate obedience, but it's so intertwined #2 as to be stated in parallel in the Text, and since faith is not a meritorious work, then neither is obedience #1

studier · Jul 6, 2025

@Believer08

If you should tune back in, thanks for the work and the thread. IMO it's one of the most important ones I've seen. Sorry to see it go off the rails, but this is par for the course around here.

Nice work!

GWH · Jul 6, 2025

studier said:

Amen! Interacting with tulipists on CC has helped me clarify and specify this truth that previously was more implicit in my credo.

Wansvic · Monday at 6:53 AM

homwardbound said:

I was water baptized in the titles as well. However, once I became aware of exactly what Jesus commanded, I obeyed and was water baptized in His name. Why? Because it was Jesus Himself that was crucified to save my soul. And according to the Apostle Paul those who obey water baptism are being buried with who? Jesus! (Rom. 6:3-6)

And, I thank the Lord Jesus for revealing that water baptism is so much more than just a symbol. Obedience to the command brings about what God's word says; Remission of one's personal sins. Something Jesus made possible for all mankind through His crucifixion.

Haidabo · Monday at 8:15 AM

The only
misconception
of obedience
is them
who think
they are going
to be in the new creation
and on the new earth
when they do not
overcome their flesh
and the world
and become
holy
unto the Lord.

homwardbound · Tuesday at 10:39 AM

Blain said:

I noticed the above in your response here on CC. I am quoting it above, for the reason I see, might be getting you a little tripped up. You decide, between God and you personally.
You have for a long while been continuing in trust to God Father, and have been hearing it should be your time to get given what you expect, from your quote, after so long not quitting fully rewarded, when in. troubles you, we are already rewarded with life-everlasting. I hear that thought has crossed your mindset, should not you have gotten totally rewarded?
That thought is not your true thought. I see you are willing to wait no matter how long it might take. Yet, that is not you that thought I see you are attached to, from hearing it. You, decide if you are listening, even if from other flesh, that is trying to do the best for you. That is nit always good. I have done that in past also, Brother.
You claim God loves you right? and you got troubles here on earth. That are trying to win you over, and you decide, has got you depressed, when the thought says, you should have gotten by now haven't you?
Learn truth over error thought we all get in our walks. See Paul shipwrecked, beaten, bitten and the troubles he went through, even in Jail. As I see Paul did not quit and even gloried in his death. Places he said it would be better fro him to go and be with the Lord, yet not yet, we the people need help top learn truth over error of thought(s) that get in us, to discern them between God and us each personally
The thoughts I see goin g through you are not you Blain, the thoughts of despair over the troubles you are in and reaching. out for help, getting you into not waiting and people to come in and help. Might be why you got ripped off. That happened to me in the past also.
Love you through this. I know you in believe God no matter what troubles go on. Damn, just seeing your story, and God picking you up. Saying to you it will not be easy in your flesh body. Yet, in Phil 3:1-20 you can see it be worth it.
I trust you will be well in your soul, not your flesh as that be true with all men/women in belief too. True Love (1 Cor 13:4-7, 13) to us all from God going to that cross for us all in as Son, the exact representation of God fro us all first. Amazing grace without a flesh fight. As evil tries to make a fight out of anything and everything, tripping, up anyone it can in whatever thought it can get into anyone's mindset, for anyone to attach to it and worry over. to make them worry and expect stuff they think they shoved have gotten by now. I am nit good enough, no one is and is why God came here to earth as Son first. To reconcile us in god's Spirit and Truth, not of the flesh and blood, as you know this truth too
Love you thank you friend, brother in the savior Jesus Christ unto Father the Holy Spirit to lead us through all troubles here on earth and not give up, no matter what. learn how to not hear others troubling you in this mess you are in, thank you

homwardbound · Tuesday at 11:14 AM

Pilgrimshope said:

I require mercy over sacrifice. That be a Law to give mercy to give forgiveness, to love
getting that message to do to get or else. Is the attitudes of each person's own first born DNA inside each of us all being the First birth of flesh and blood, that will not please God ever as said in Romans 8:3, no flesh (First born flesh) can please God
Religion(s) are flesh and blood trying to do what is already done for us all by Son in Father's Spirit and Truth, the Holy Spirit. Claiming it is done by Son, but!, now we need to do it too. Good luck! since now flesh other than Son's ?(God in the flesh, the only one) could ever do it to begin with. Did it, and is risen from the dead for us all to give us (each that decide to believe) new life in the risen Christ. We get it, as long as no one gives up, no matter what troubles happen to us at least me., Thank you Father fro this Love in mercy, wow!
So, Jesus came here to earth as Son (Who is God in flesh) to reveal to us all God Father through his own actions and reactions for us all to see, and he got revealed as perfect by Father in his being risen from the dead, three days later. (Where he preached with Judas as witness) there in prison too, strategically placed there as the witness of Jesus to those held in captivity from day one in the fall of the first Adam, done by Satan. Then the resurrection. Where new life is offered in his resurrection, to us all to believe and see and be new without having to think it over at all. Born new is new, no need to ponder anymore, we have Father in us with the risen Son, the two are One, Won for us to stand new, in thank you, I need you, not the old me trying to do right. Wow woe is me Isaiah 6:1-7
Man flesh is still trying to do right and promotes we can't and gets others under their thumbs to control them to do. As was going on in the days of Jesus then.
Matthew 23:15
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

Nothing, is new under the Sun. Yet Under The Son as risen we are made new and not of flesh and blood first birth anymore. As, I am in the process learning this truth too, thank you Father and all that finally choose to believe Father and Son and not self or others over Father and Son anymore, being still in unredeemed flesh and blood, trying to do what no other flesh can do
Thank you as we each grow unto maturity in Father and Son as Won (One) for us all at the resurrection, after he first abolished sin inmate flesh first to be new in the rise Son and say it is finished too as he did John 19:30 for s to be new in his risen Life given us by Father for us too. This is true, wow

homwardbound · Tuesday at 11:19 AM

Ouch said:

Jesus + nothing, it is done by Son for us to get given new from Daddy, PaPa, Father for us all
Thanks as we go forward
Anyone can believe like anyone decides to believe and still not see. Not that I see. I put past behind me as fast as it happened
I am no longer under Law (Romans 7) that you are not yet seeing and making up Laws to have to to get or else. Not good for my Soul and love you the same as God loves us all. Amazing grace from God I stand in thank you
Anyone can decide to be free, yet no one has to live like a refugee, under Law I was a refugee and now freed as in Col 2 thank you

Pilgrimshope · Tuesday at 11:28 AM

homwardbound said:

I require mercy over sacrifice. That be a Law to give mercy to give forgiveness, to love
getting that message to do to get or else. Is the attitudes of each person's own first born DNA inside each of us all being the First birth of flesh and blood, that will not please God ever as said in Romans 8:3, no flesh (First born flesh) can please God
Religion(s) are flesh and blood trying to do what is already done for us all by Son in Father's Spirit and Truth, the Holy Spirit. Claiming it is done by Son, but!, now we need to do it too. Good luck! since now flesh other than Son's ?(God in the flesh, the only one) could ever do it to begin with. Did it, and is risen from the dead for us all to give us (each that decide to believe) new life in the risen Christ. We get it, as long as no one gives up, no matter what troubles happen to us at least me., Thank you Father fro this Love in mercy, wow!
So, Jesus came here to earth as Son (Who is God in flesh) to reveal to us all God Father through his own actions and reactions for us all to see, and he got revealed as perfect by Father in his being risen from the dead, three days later. (Where he preached with Judas as witness) there in prison too, strategically placed there as the witness of Jesus to those held in captivity from day one in the fall of the first Adam, done by Satan. Then the resurrection. Where new life is offered in his resurrection, to us all to believe and see and be new without having to think it over at all. Born new is new, no need to ponder anymore, we have Father in us with the risen Son, the two are One, Won for us to stand new, in thank you, I need you, not the old me trying to do right. Wow woe is me Isaiah 6:1-7
Man flesh is still trying to do right and promotes we can't and gets others under their thumbs to control them to do. As was going on in the days of Jesus then.
Matthew 23:15
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

Nothing, is new under the Sun. Yet Under The Son as risen we are made new and not of flesh and blood first birth anymore. As, I am in the process learning this truth too, thank you Father and all that finally choose to believe Father and Son and not self or others over Father and Son anymore, being still in unredeemed flesh and blood, trying to do what no other flesh can do
Thank you as we each grow unto maturity in Father and Son as Won (One) for us all at the resurrection, after he first abolished sin inmate flesh first to be new in the rise Son and say it is finished too as he did John 19:30 for s to be new in his risen Life given us by Father for us too. This is true, wow

yeah we don’t want to stop considering what god said ever it’s forever

“Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:35‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses. But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭11:25-26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Ouch · Tuesday at 3:02 PM

homwardbound said:

JESUS plus nothing??? No repent, no obedience, no sin removal, no Holy Ghost??

So your saying EVERYONE is going to Heaven!!

Since we are born in sin and GOD does not hear sinners the only why for JESUS to accept us is we have to become sin free.

John 9:31 Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.

According to HIS word how do we become sin free?

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

What is JESUS saying here?

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

TrustandObey · Tuesday at 11:43 PM

homwardbound said:

You sure about that?

You are pushing universalism. You do realize this?

Magenta · Wednesday at 1:27 AM

Wansvic said:

Jesus said, "...Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned." Mark 16:15-16

Jesus also said, "If ye love me, keep my commandments. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;" (John 14:15-16) Jesus' words remind me of what Peter said at Pentecost: "Repent and be baptized everyone of you in the name of Jesus for remission of sin and you shall receive the gift of the the Holy Ghost." (Comforter)

Again, Jesus said, "He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him." (John 14:21) He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak." John 12:48-50

Jesus also said to cut off your hand and gouge out your eye if they cause you to sin. Have you done that?

homwardbound · Wednesday at 10:58 AM

Wansvic said:

You, continue in belief please, God is our teacher as in 1 John 2:27, and am glad you chose water Baptism, God loves us all
there is no more to say from me, yet I love you, the same as Father and Son love me, it is unconditionally, pulled out form under Law, any Law to do what is right as being taught from God personally to love all, thank you
It is a conflict happening between the one and only one good God Father of risen Son and evil that desires to be God in god's place
The first sin of Satan, was to be God over God, see Psalm 82 that talks of this about us the people here on earth, ever since that fall of the first Adam. Now, today people not seeing the freedom as in Col Chapter 2 given us to be new in love and mercy too, thank you

Ouch · Wednesday at 2:43 PM

homwardbound said:

I also am glad I chose obey JESUS and to be baptized in HIS name to remove my sins, can't enter Heaven with sin and that's the only way to get rid of them.

I'm also Happy he filled me with HIS spirit, what a wake up call that was HE'S ALIVE.

Acording to HIS word, those who don't get baptized in HIS name will not make it.

Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Need 4 things, believe, repent, get baptized in JESUS name and still need JESUS to fill us with HIS spirit like he did HIS disciples in acts 2:4.

homwardbound · Thursday at 9:25 AM

Pilgrimshope said:

Agreed, I see presently do that, since, because by God I am forgiven first in the Jesus sacrifice once for everyone this is done (Hebrews 10:10), (1 John 4:18-19) to his finished work for us all, (John 19:30) to now be able to do it as true too, without taking any credit in doing it, for God has restored us in risen Son Jesus, to us to do good and not have to tell others about that, just do as led, in love to all, includes enemies too, at least me.
I remember a person, caught up in drinking too much. Was counseled over and over and over and over again and again. The person believed God and would stop and then go back and be perplexed in why he could not stay stopped, not wanting to and did it anyways.
Anyone else familiar with this, for this is not about just drinking, it is about not loving God all in all, seeing it is done in Son for us all, to me at least, who took away the sin in Son for us all first, to depend on, not take for granted with my first born unredeemed flesh I am in? That, I now see to reckon me as dead to sin daily, Romans 6, Romans 7. Being aware, yet seeing to not let Law over ride me to try to do it though me, Rather, Father in risen son does that, loves all, not a few, otherwise that cross would not have ever happened or would it have? Since, no other flesh, but Son's has done it, but God himself in Son himself for us to rest in Hebrews 4:9-13, Romans 8:1-3
Amazing to let go of stressing over every little thing as religion taught me to do that, be worried, when God said to not worry. Actually asked will worry add even a moment to your life? Matthew 6.
I replied No!!!! it has caused troubles in me! Anyone else, thank you Father, Daddy, PaPa for this revealing to us all. I am 100% dependent on you and not self or anyone else anymore.
Thank you Pilgrims hope for standing with Father and Son too as we each grow new and remain humble in it too, thank you Father an dSon as One (Won) for us all.

About that drunk, he got asked "Which Jesus do you believe in?"
He replied WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!? There is only One Jesus.
That, person that asked that man. Yes I agree, yet in that truth, the Jesus I am asking you about
is it. the one you are trying to imitate?
Or is it the risen One. Will you be willing for his risen life to live through you?
That person quit the drinking, seeing the difference.
Other garbage then did it's best to enter afterwords and take me captive, did for a while, as Father never stops working on me or you or anyone else ever in love and mercy to all
I reply wow, woe is me as in Isaiah 6:1-7
therefore, it is not "I" that has quit or stopped anything on my own ever, it is God, through risen Son only. Thanks, Brother for your posts, honest replies in humility too

homwardbound · Thursday at 10:37 AM

Ouch said:

I am so glad you know, and love you as well, you do as you do, let me do as I see to do and be freed from under stress, as I see you Performing to others to do or else God will get you
Unfortunately, you are claiming under Law to do perfectly and I know and you know you are not perfect, myself either.
I need God, I see you want to please God by works. hoping the best for you, I know I am not perfect and never can be. Since in past was and have been under Law, no more, yet I uphold Law as good now, trusting God it is done by Son for and all others too, 1 John 2:1-27
Thank you, I like Paul see to not be under Law, to uphold law and not be a person performing in front of others as if are good. When only my Father God is good and is giving mercy to us all in risen Son to be new humbly, thank you, love you as God loves us all.
I will not accuse you or excuse you or even me, thank you Romans 2:1-4
You be right not a problem with me, I have been one of the worst kind of sinners, now see differently'

1 Corinthians 1:13
Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?
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1 Corinthians 1:14
I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;
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1 Corinthians 1:15
lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name.
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1 Corinthians 1:16
And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other.
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1 Corinthians 10:2
and were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
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1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
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1 Corinthians 15:29
Else what shall they do which are baptizedfor the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?

once anyone becomes willing between God and them, one will get Baptized in God Father's spirit and truth
I disagree with how you go about water Baptism and am not fighting you over it. We each get to decide how it is for each. If you are not living like a refugee, then please continue thank you
We all fight to be free, until freed by God over it all, thank you

Pilgrimshope · Thursday at 11:28 AM

homwardbound said:

Agreed, I see presently do that, since, because by God I am forgiven first in the Jesus sacrifice once for everyone this is done (Hebrews 10:10), (1 John 4:18-19) to his finished work for us all, (John 19:30) to now be able to do it as true too, without taking any credit in doing it, for God has restored us in risen Son Jesus, to us to do good and not have to tell others about that, just do as led, in love to all, includes enemies too, at least me.
I remember a person, caught up in drinking too much. Was counseled over and over and over and over again and again. The person believed God and would stop and then go back and be perplexed in why he could not stay stopped, not wanting to and did it anyways.
Anyone else familiar with this, for this is not about just drinking, it is about not loving God all in all, seeing it is done in Son for us all, to me at least, who took away the sin in Son for us all first, to depend on, not take for granted with my first born unredeemed flesh I am in? That, I now see to reckon me as dead to sin daily, Romans 6, Romans 7. Being aware, yet seeing to not let Law over ride me to try to do it though me, Rather, Father in risen son does that, loves all, not a few, otherwise that cross would not have ever happened or would it have? Since, no other flesh, but Son's has done it, but God himself in Son himself for us to rest in Hebrews 4:9-13, Romans 8:1-3
Amazing to let go of stressing over every little thing as religion taught me to do that, be worried, when God said to not worry. Actually asked will worry add even a moment to your life? Matthew 6.
I replied No!!!! it has caused troubles in me! Anyone else, thank you Father, Daddy, PaPa for this revealing to us all. I am 100% dependent on you and not self or anyone else anymore.
Thank you Pilgrims hope for standing with Father and Son too as we each grow new and remain humble in it too, thank you Father an dSon as One (Won) for us all.

About that drunk, he got asked "Which Jesus do you believe in?"
He replied WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!? There is only One Jesus.
That, person that asked that man. Yes I agree, yet in that truth, the Jesus I am asking you about
is it. the one you are trying to imitate?
Or is it the risen One. Will you be willing for his risen life to live through you?
That person quit the drinking, seeing the difference.
Other garbage then did it's best to enter afterwords and take me captive, did for a while, as Father never stops working on me or you or anyone else ever in love and mercy to all
I reply wow, woe is me as in Isaiah 6:1-7
therefore, it is not "I" that has quit or stopped anything on my own ever, it is God, through risen Son only. Thanks, Brother for your posts, honest replies in humility too

God bless brother

homwardbound · Thursday at 12:40 PM

TrustandObey said:

Actually, pushing God's done work for us all, since no other flesh but Son's flesh could ever please God Romans 8:1-3 and not using it for self to get anything else but what God gives to us all, to stand in belief to this done work Col 1:21-23 and all of Galatians told to us from Paul, about the mistaker of trying to do it ourselves, the Amazing Apostle of God, born out of due time for us all to be and see Galatians 2:20
I am dead to the self and other as well. God did it himself of run to be new in love and mercy automatically and not necessarily understand this gift given

Philippians 4

Authorized (King James) Version

4 Therefore, my brethren dearly beloved and longed for, my joy and crown, so stand fast in the Lord, mydearly beloved. 2 I beseech Euodias, and beseech Syntyche, that they be of the same mind in the Lord. 3 And I intreat thee also, true yokefellow, help those women which laboured with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and with other my fellowlabourers, whose names are in the book of life.

Help, as led to help by God Father, the Holy Spirit in risen Son, not by any others. Hear all, please take all to Father your personal Father, and see to understand, without needing to understand and love all, regardless of how anyone else thinks or hears, just Love
Love all as I, God speaks, I have loved you. Revisit my Son's death and resurrection for you on that cross that took away all sin in the way (John 1:29) that was in the way, first for you, to now approach God's throne of grace confidently, still knowing you do not deserve you have been given this. Which is deeper, than just loving self, thanking God, does just love you too! Amazing Died once willingly for us all to be given new life new given us each that choose to believe God too, not earned or worked for, this is a gift from God not me or anyone else, Which you know in your Soul too, thank you

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