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The firstborn is always chosen by God and not determined by being the first male out of the womb because Abraham's inheritance contains God's promises. So God has the right to supecede man's tradition and determine who will and won't inherit his promises.
Yeah but the second born was who god actually dealt with if you look not cain the firstborn of Adam but abel the second born , not ishmael abrams firstborn but Isaac his second born not esau isaacs firstborn but Jacob his second born … that’s all I’m saying that if we look it’s the second that gets blessed.
We have to look at the world through two covenants the first covenant found fault in the people so it was cast away like cain , like ishmael the firstborn and a new one promised by God came forth like Isaac
even though ishmael was firstborn he was the one cut out of aBrahmans inheritance . Even though esau was firstborn it was Jacob the second who was blessed this began even at cain and abel
Clearly we know Jesus was born about 2000 years ago when the new covenant began …. But he wasn’t firstborn in the ot he was never born in the ot he was still in heaven telling them what he was going to do later . Each covenant is how God sees the earth in the ot he saw it through the covenant made wi th isreel now he sees it tbrough the gospel . We’re in an entirely new covenant being re creeted for an entirely new world to come
It's not the 2nd born, but the one whom God chooses is the firstborn. Ephraim was not the 2nd out of the womb, but he was chosen to be the firstborn.
You do realize there are several Protestant Churches in Israel with American Pastors?
Very good question. This is the kind of conversation that should be nurtured here. As the Lord siad.....let us come together and reason.
Not like some who criticize with harsh judgments or foolish sayings.
When we appose God's will we become part of the enmity which wars against God. In this very time that were living in all over the globe God is calling. For time is short. Front and center of all this is the lawlessness that has plagued our cities states and nations dividing the people's showing and asking.....where do you stand on what ever matter there advocating.
The essence of all of this is....the stronger the resistance....the stronger the arguments....when words fail war prevails.
Now here are some points that we must consider and I'm sure we can agree upon.
Jesus said he has come to fulfill and not to destroy. ....why would Jesus waste his time fulfilling what supposedly God rejected?
The rejection was prophetic and now fulfilled......pointing to the one and only Christ.
Jesus said he would not return until the jews cry out....blessed is he that comes in the name of the Lord.
How can you explain spiritual Israel to non believers? But I can point out 1948. History fact.
Jesus said ....I give you a new commandment.....Love one another ....does this exclude Israel?
Say what you want about Israel and the jews I can't stop that. Only try to correct.
But I was raised that when I see a blind person walking down a road lined with a deep ditch on both sides I offer my assistance to guide them until they are on safe ground and able to walk themselves.
The truth of Christ is hidden from there eyes as they did not know the time of their visitation.
Saul which is now Paul is a example of this at his conversion. There were many more and many yet to come.
It's no different than the system we set up in Colorado to combat incoming nukes. And we bragged about that system. The difference being is that we've seen the Iron Dome work but have never seen the system in Colorado ever work.
Yes, that is true. I know a pastor and wife team who have a church there. Now, how many Christian churches and synagogues are in Muslim countries??
If I may, this is the principle of primogenitor: the one from whom you derive your nature.
It's like when Jesus said "Don't call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven."
This was certainly not about having natural fathers: all people have a biological father. This was about "from whom you derive your nature". Jesus was testifying to the fulfillment of having a man "in the likeness and image of God". He was that man, who contained the fullness of the godhead.
In my life I have a biological father. I love my father. But he is not a spiritual man, so he is incapable of watching over my soul. In that area he is weak. So, I had to find a spiritual father: one who modeled the life of Christ in all things. This is like Paul "giving birth to" Onesimus.
"I appeal to you for my son Onesimus, whom I have begotten while in my chains..."
This was not Paul's natural son. He had no natural children. This is his son in the Lord.
Jesus was announcing the advent of the New Testament. Having paid the price in eternity ("..the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.") the testament was fully funded and only had yet to appear in its fullness before men.
It depends on what form and faction of Islam rules the territory. Some allow other faiths but those rules by for instance shariah law a crime and it’s a death sentence like homosexuality or adultery. So they have to keep it secret, other regions the more secular governments that aren’t actually theocracy and religion based actually do protect and allow more freedom and don’t allow the strict shariah law and governance
The Middle East is mostly non chrirtian and non Jewish and mostly “ Islamic” but that means about five different things really and they are at war with each other also within Islam these different factions .
irans leadership for instance is not in line with uae or Egypt or Jordan they’ve been warring within Islam for a long long time about four or five factions and versions of Islam . They also of course constantly war with Jews and Christian’s and have for many centuries
ive always assumed that final wave that comes over the earth gathering everyone against Christ and his people beheading people and everything it says …. Will probably be an Islamic dirivitive tbat wins that battle for control within Islam that really is growing rapidly in tbe world and it’s doctrine is literally “ anti-christ “
It’s interesting because if you read thier scriptures and the prophecies about the end times . It really matches what the Bible says will be happening and they are the ones in rhier prophecies doing all the killing and beheading of Christian’s who believe the “ book “ and “ infidels “ who don’t believe in Allah
In the the end in thier scriptires they “ Muslims” are called to drive out and destroy everyone who won’t believe in Allah and convert and anyone who commits the blasphemy of confessing Christ as Lord and believing the Bible’s New Testament .
the events match but the Bible says Christian’s will be persecuted and thier scriptures say they will be called to cleanse the earth of “infidels “ so “Allah “ can eventually retirn …….after Jesus who is “ not Gods son but a simple prophet vastly misquoted by the Bible “
retirns , gets married and lives a good life and dies …..then Mohammed returns to rule before Allah ……ect ect bit the events are the same just opposing sides I found that interesting jidt a thought though
Going off her post and this your response to her post I would take a guess that she is speaking about a Rapture before the Tribulation takes place?
Darby is known for that doctrine and Scofield is known for manipulating the Bible that he put out that reinforces the idea of Pre-Trib Rapture.
I also noticed that you didn't agree or disagree you just mentioned the 2 individuals most responsible for the belief itself.
No, he did not say that. He said this:
O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee; how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen [doth gather] her brood under [her] wings, and ye would not! Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until [the time] come when ye shall say, Blessed [is] he that cometh in the name of the Lord. Luke 13:34-35
Afterwards that was fulfilled by a believing remnant on his entrance into Jerusalem for the last timeAnd when he was come nigh, even now at the descent of the mount of Olives, the whole multitude of the disciples began to rejoice and praise God with a loud voice for all the mighty works that they had seen; Saying, Blessed [be] the King that cometh in the name of the Lord: peace in heaven, and glory in the highest. Luke 19:37-38
What does this have to do with being left behind as you mentioned in your other post? Are you referring to a pre-trib rapture?
Right what’s in the Old Testament is according to what god said to them in that covenant
And what’s in the new is new and not the same as the old it’s the new thing he promised to do later , in tbe old
awe have to acknowledge both covenants , both identities old and new to grasp the Bible’s testaments. There’s two of everything and the second is always what is eternal and lasting
each covenant word rules the world at the time it was given and until it is fulfilled ….cain is the firstborn man of this current world the firstborn of adam but it was abel who chose the good and was accepted by God .
And cain who then after he was firstborn of Adam ….of this world …..chose the evil and killed his righteous brother and was cast out from gods presence and fellowship and became no longer recognized or acceptable.
We need to be “ born again “ a second time ……into the new covenant dying with Christ to the old and being raised up with him to the gospel and also by the gospel
jesus is the firstborn and has not begotten son of God remember Jesus was born of a virgin ……
adam was created as was eve and cain was born to a father and mother.
In the ot if you refused to acknowledge your earthly father it would have been a huge insult and even a serious sin. One of the commandments was to honor thier father and mother. Because it’s a different covenant God sees the world through and by the covenant he’s made with them .
the covenants have totally different promises literally worlds apart.
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