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New Jerusalem isn't Israel, the Bride Gift so you're off on a tangent of your own.
If there is a heavenly Jerusalem and a heavenly Zion, then there is also a heavenly Israel, which would be the assembly of the firstborn, ie Christ.

But ye are come unto mount Zion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, To the public gathering and assembly of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than [that of] Abel. Hebrews 12:22-24
 

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If there is a heavenly Jerusalem and a heavenly Zion, then there is also a heavenly Israel, which would be the assembly of the firstborn, ie Christ.

But ye are come unto mount Zion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, To the public gathering and assembly of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than [that of] Abel. Hebrews 12:22-24
No mention of Israel
 

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If you think Mt Zion and Jerusalem exist apart from Israel, mkay
I think God mentioned what exists in Heaven and He came down as Melchizadek king of SALEM JeruSALEM. The city is what matters.
 

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You're avoiding the point I made for some reason about you not being able to be a citizen of Israel.
Who wouldn't read the Torah, it's the Holy Word of God and it's the original language so there's more meaning to it knowing the Letters are also Numerical Values?

She's a woman and isn't allowed to read in Synagogue.
 

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How do you know that they exist?

If Samaritans can not be considered Jewish then no one today can be considered Jewish.
Are you a geneticist? Are you an expert on Jewish culture? Do you know the history of the Jews from the exile from Israel until 1948? If there are no Jews, how come they've been persecuted for so long?
 

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A carnal interpretation. Show me where the word literal is used in the bible
You were shown my friend....right before your very eyes...yet you deny.
Some yrs after the Pentecost you point to what happened? 70 ad what happened? The temple destroyed just as Jesus said and the jews once again were killed or scattered.
The prophecy that was introduced to you said that they would not be up rooted again. So either God's a liar or you are in error.
Again ww2 where were the jews? In their own land? Scattered all over the globe in the far corners of the earth.
Being hunted and killed like sick animals.
Your spiritual Israel does not match up to the history that follows the day of Pentecost.
My friend all of prophecy has not been fulfilled in our time frame. More much more is to testify of the God of the Hebrews. Leaving no one with any excuse.
Who ever fed you this garbage has fed you a lie.
 

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Are you a geneticist? Are you an expert on Jewish culture? Do you know the history of the Jews from the exile from Israel until 1948? If there are no Jews, how come they've been persecuted for so long?
It makes sense. God commanded them not to marry outside of their people. They were only allowed to marry out if the person lived in Israel and only if they converted which probably didn't happen very often. And the rules got even stricter after what happened in the exile to Babylon (Ezra and Nehemiah) even today before you move to Israel you are asked for a blood test to see if you Jewish.
 
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Do you believe the Bible is the infallible Word of God? If not, there's nothing to discuss.
Galatians 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek,
there is neither bond nor free,
there is neither male nor female:
for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

The Holy Ghost instructed
me to ask you this question:

Are you a women, Jew?
 
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Is this verse true? Yes or no. Or if you don't want to respond just do the emoji thing

And [the] LORD gave to Israel all the land which he swore by an oath to give [to] their fathers; and they inherited it, and dwelt in it. Joshua 21:43
 

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Funny seeing the phrase descendants of Abraham when Muslims like Jews are descendants. Abraham was only a natural father. God is our spiritual Father.
“Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭17:5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And the angel of the LORD called unto Abraham out of heaven the second time, and said, By myself have I sworn, saith the LORD, for because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son: that in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭22:15-18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Look unto Abraham your father, and unto Sarah that bare you: for I called him alone, and blessed him, and increased him.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭51:2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance: and think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham as our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭3:8-10‬ ‭

“The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭1:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:16, 26-29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It seems as if Abrahams children …..are the ones God has chosen to call his children only he isn’t identifying them by thoer flesh and bloodline but he’s identifyong every person by the body and blood of Jesus. Whether they partake in him or not makes them Abraham’s children and the hiers of Gods promises or not. Rather than if my ancestors were israelite or not really “ Israel “ are jacobs children Jacob was renamed “ Israel “ and then his children were called the children of Israel aBrahmans true children of promise are from all nations.